And another idea - Racing for Trackday Drivers

[Club MSV Trackd]

Hello all,

Sorry I'm bombarding you with post now but thought you might be interested in this: http://www.clubmsv.com/car-home/news/club-msv-racing.aspx

Ignore the 'no turbos' part - I've campaigned for them to be allowed on this basis, I think we will end up classifying cars on a power to weight ratios anyway.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

Alex

[docwra]

Endurance racing in a 200SX?? Brave. :D

[Mark]

Thats just asking to get your car written off IMO :(

fFne if you have a track car but cant see many wanting to do it in their daily driver :confused:

[mattlake]

Endurance racing in a 200SX?? Brave. :D

people will be doing big end swaps in the pits:wack:

[Jonny]

Nice idea, but I can't see it being a spectacular success - there's two camps of people on the SXOC and most petrolhead type forums. There's those that like trackdays, and go in either their daily car, or have a weekend car. They won't have a lot of the required items like a fuel cutoff, MSA approved cage, fitted fire system etc - and fitting these will cost a fair few quid and get you close to having a non road usable car.

The other camp of people have all of the required kit already, but that's because they need it for their current race or drift series so wouldn't be interested... :(

[800bhp]

Endurance racing in a 200SX?? Brave. :D

Mine struggles to do a 1/4 mile at a time :D

[Club MSV Trackd]

Nice idea, but I can't see it being a spectacular success - there's two camps of people on the SXOC and most petrolhead type forums. There's those that like trackdays, and go in either their daily car, or have a weekend car. They won't have a lot of the required items like a fuel cutoff, MSA approved cage, fitted fire system etc - and fitting these will cost a fair few quid and get you close to having a non road usable car.

The other camp of people have all of the required kit already, but that's because they need it for their current race or drift series so wouldn't be interested... :(

Thanks for the feedback guys. It's a valid point that some cars might struggle to complete the distance. What about an NA S14?

We've bought a car between four of us for £1400 (http://www.clubmsv.co.uk/car-home/project-track-car.aspx) and we'll be looking to enter once the necessary additions of cage, fire extiguishers etc are added. The series isn't designed to be serious, it really is all about the fun side of racing!

From our experience, there are a lot of people out there that have trackday cars but never make the jump into racing which was the idea behind the series.

[Mark]

The series isn't designed to be serious, it really is all about the fun side of racing!


You should well know there is no fun side of racing :no: Some people are bad enough on trackdays but actually tell them they are in a race and it will be like BTCC :wack:

I would be surpised if half the cars finish :smash:

hope it does well but I wouldnt expect to see many 200's there :(

[immy21]

I think that sounds ace, i would have used my sx until i seen 'mandatory driver change' hell no is anyone else gonna molest my girl! I would buy and share a car With a mate for it as long as we have enough monies between us to do it

[frisbee]

I think that sounds ace, i would have used my sx until i seen 'mandatory driver change' hell no is anyone else gonna molest my girl! I would buy and share a car With a mate for it as long as we have enough monies between us to do it

I think some of these series don't actually require you to change to a different driver, just sit stationary in the pit for a minimum period of time.

To get a 200 to do 45-60 minutes on the track at is going to take a lot of work. The whole cooling system is going to have to be seriously uprated, not just a big rad and an oilcooler, but proper ducting and management of airflow. Going to need a pretty big fuel tank as well.

[Club MSV Trackd]

I think that sounds ace, i would have used my sx until i seen 'mandatory driver change' hell no is anyone else gonna molest my girl! I would buy and share a car With a mate for it as long as we have enough monies between us to do it

A number of people have already mentioned this, asking if they can compete on their own. I can't see this being a problem as long as the mandatory "pit-stop" takes place.

[Algie]

I'd be up for buying a cheapy S13 or S12 with a mate and having a crack at it. Wouldn't use the S14a though :no:

a half day at Brands with me giving it beans is enough to spank the best part of a set if tyres, plus the usual cooling uses. I normally do about 10-15 laps then ease off and let the car cool.

Having taken part in a 24hr karting race recently (and going through a set of brake pads in 12hours) I think anything more than a couple of hours would quickly become prohibitivly expensive :(

[Daz]

As soon as you get a race where people buy a 'cheap' car to enter then thats because they dont want to damage their own car and they therfore dont care about the car they are entering.

An example of this would be the Drift nights at arena essex, first ones were great then it turned nasty.

Good luck with it all.

Need an official photographer, I'd like to do that.

[Algie]

As soon as you get a race where people buy a 'cheap' car to enter then thats because they dont want to damage their own car and they therfore dont care about the car they are entering.

An example of this would be the Drift nights at arena essex, first ones were great then it turned nasty.

Good luck with it all.

Need an official photographer, I'd like to do that.

I see what you're saying Daz but I wouldn't agree it's the case for everyone. That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation :nod:

i wouldn't want to use my S14 because of the mechanical strain it would be under, not because I'm expecting to crash :no:

if I spent money on a car of any kind I'd want to keep her running :nod:

[frisbee]

Its not really going to be a cheap car by the time you've bought and fitted all the safety equipment.

[Club MSV Trackd]

As soon as you get a race where people buy a 'cheap' car to enter then thats because they dont want to damage their own car and they therfore dont care about the car they are entering.

Hi Daz,

The series will be aimed at sensbile drivers wanting to have fun and dip their tow in the water with racing. Obviously accidents can happen but we want to help drivers feel comfortable going racing for the first time and therefore driving standards will be policed and monitored carefully.

Thanks,

Alex

[Club MSV Trackd]

I'd be up for buying a cheapy S13 or S12 with a mate and having a crack at it. Wouldn't use the S14a though :no:

Hi Algie,

Drop us an email at clubmsvracing@motorsportvision.co.uk if you want to register your interest.

Thanks,

Alex

[Algie]

Hi Algie,

Drop us an email at clubmsvracing@motorsportvision.co.uk if you want to register your interest.

Thanks,

Alex

I'll need a car first :thumbs:

[rgfinn]

that does look rather interesting - all i'd have to do is get a different diff for the car, maybe even stick back in the vlsd. oh, and make it a year older somehow!
entry fee is steep though - getting close to a full season of BDC there.
would love to hand some grip drivers their ass in a drift car :D:D. everyone underestimates them :nod:

[charlay]

actually sounds like a great idea and isnt priced too badly compared to the nippon challenge or LMA.

however those consider it, factor at least 500+ the cage, + about 400 min for race license(admin and test) and your safety gear, helmet overalls etc. another 400minimum. but still. quite interesting, although i agree on the issue of fuel, most of the cars listed will struggle to do an hour full throttle, 40-45mins is probably the max for your average jap turbo/high performance car.

[frisbee]

that does look rather interesting - all i'd have to do is get a different diff for the car, maybe even stick back in the vlsd. oh, and make it a year older somehow!
entry fee is steep though - getting close to a full season of BDC there.
would love to hand some grip drivers their ass in a drift car :D:D. everyone underestimates them :nod:

Why would you need a different diff? A lot of trackday 200's run plated diffs.

[bren]

Endurance racing in a 200SX?? Brave. :D

No then, how could we turn a 200SX into an endurance racer. Ummmm......eeeerr....I know, fit a dirty great V8 :thumbs: :D

In reality a stage 1 S14 would walk an hour on track. SM used to do half hour sessions over and over and over again in his S14, never had a hint of an issue. Im sure he also did multiple 40 mins sessions. I do remember plenty of people regularly taking the mick out of him because he just went out and went round and round and round and round and round. Like the Duracell bunny! He sold the engine on with well over 110k on it (of which 60-70k had been done by SM) and its still going strong now!

The idea of it is appealing. Whats the score with equalling out performance?

I very seriously doubt Id put any car of mine that had any value in it up againt a raft of £1-3k cars driven by no doubt increadibly enthusiastic but equally inexperienced drivers. Id be up for buying something to have a go though, sounds like fun :) Share the car purchase and running costs with the second driver makes it a lot more valid that it might originally sound.

I already have a partner in mind, Ill bell him tommorrow :nod:

[FullMetalGasket]

would love to hand some grip drivers their ass in a drift car :D:D. everyone underestimates them :nod:

Do you know Bladey, TwinTurbotech (think that was his user name), Carter, Steve Dunn ect?
Ask them what my lightly tuned track spec S14a did to their drifty specced cars at Llydd in about 2004 when we held a timed sprint at the end of an SXOC sprint/drift day ;)


With regards to the series that sounds really interesting and I wish you the best of luck :thumbs:
Even going in with mates though I don't think I can afford it - as mentioned previously by others I wouldn't want to use my 13 as the safety requirements would make it totally silly for road use/insurence purposes.
Therefore I'd need another (shared?) car + all the safety gear and licences :(

Pity, as I think it'd kick ass to do :)

(Wonder if I could enlarge the Westy's fuel tank enough :wack:)

[bren]

would love to hand some grip drivers their ass in a drift car :D:D. everyone underestimates them :nod:

I missed that, Id also LOVE to see a bunch of drift drivers out on track handing "some grip drivers their ass in a drift car" :thumbs:

Bring it on :nod:

In fact bring it on here:

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=433587

Come and show me how to drive a circuit, Ill look forward to it :nod:

[FullMetalGasket]

Actually ask Madda about this years SXOC trackday at Llandow aswell - my 180bhp RS13 was mullering his skidding spec 400bhp RS13 :thumbs:

[Jez]

I'm 1/2 interested in this. I've seen on the web site that they'll be a 200 or 250bhp per ton limit which is fine.

I'd either have to fit a standard turbo to my existing engine in my S13 or get another car and prep it. The former would be really easy for me as its ready to go, but I'd be concerned about the risk of damage to the car as its worth a lot (to me at least!). It should walk 45 mins at 220bhp - seems to be fine for 15mins at 550bhp.

I'd have to find someone to share with too....

[FullMetalGasket]

If I had the monies, I'd be ringing you right now Jez :nod: :wack:

[Scottie]

No then, how could we turn a 200SX into an endurance racer. Ummmm......eeeerr....I know, fit a dirty great V8 :thumbs: :D


Bren, in reality though there is no way you could take your lovely V8 racing, because after watching racing for so often, it's guaranteed some novice racer would take you out.

Turbo's are not good for people who want to endurance race on a budget. :no:

The best idea by far is something like the MR2 challenge or the E30 races etc.

One of the problmes of Time Attack is people who don;t have a lot of race experience are going out in very powerful cars and don;t possess the racing experience.

It's much better to start racing in NA cheap cars that cost very little to fix, and the racing is so much better with the lower power, you have to learn so much more. :nod:

[bren]

Bren, in reality though there is no way you could take your lovely V8 racing, because after watching racing for so often, it's guaranteed some novice racer would take you out.

Turbo's are not good for people who want to endurance race on a budget. :no:

The best idea by far is something like the MR2 challenge or the E30 races etc.

One of the problmes of Time Attack is people who don;t have a lot of race experience are going out in very powerful cars and don;t possess the racing experience.

It's much better to start racing in NA cheap cars that cost very little to fix, and the racing is so much better with the lower power, you have to learn so much more. :nod:

I agree, Id never run the V8 in a novice race series. Because the rules apply a power to weight comparions INCLUDING driver I would go for the best handling car I could find irrespective of power. Something small and light to maximise reliability, minise purchase cost and maximise braking capabilities.

[Scottie]

I agree, Id never run the V8 in a novice race series. Because the rules apply a power to weight comparions INCLUDING driver I would go for the best handling car I could find irrespective of power. Something small and light to maximise reliability, minise purchase cost and maximise braking capabilities.

What I mean is that if it's a novice race series, you would have to take a car that is cheap and easy to replace body parts for, because the novice series is similar to dodgem cars, but without the dodging!:wack::D:nod:

Great fun to watch at Oulton, and no doubt drive in, but I'd never partake in any cay I had fondness for :D

[bren]

I know what youre saying, Im just adding to that with my point that because the cars are run on a bhp to weight leveller than my goal would to be to go outright for highest possible corner speed, braking ability and overall minimum weight rather than go for big lardy car with big power :)

[tomo1]

I know what youre saying, Im just adding to that with my point that because the cars are run on a bhp to weight leveller than my goal would to be to go outright for highest possible corner speed, braking ability and overall minimum weight rather than go for big lardy car with big power :)

If you run something turbo'd then you have the choice of running minimum weight and low boost for best cornering ability at slower circuits, or more boost and ballast for best straightline speed at faster circuits... best of both worlds :D Oh, and you can get pretty much constant power by making boost as early as possible, then bleeding it off higher up to remain at the same level...

[Jez]

If you run something turbo'd then you have the choice of running minimum weight and low boost for best cornering ability at slower circuits, or more boost and ballast for best straightline speed at faster circuits... best of both worlds :D Oh, and you can get pretty much constant power by making boost as early as possible, then bleeding it off higher up to remain at the same level...

They're very good points. You would have a big advantage with a turbo.

I wonder how the organisers will police the power to weight rule.

[bren]

You have to run an intake restictor on turbo motors.

[frisbee]

Couldn't you use an inlet restrictor to limit the power and go for huge torque like a rally car?

[Jez]

Yeah. With a restrictor on a turbo car you end up with full power from the mid range to the red line. Rather than on an NA car that only makes peak power at high rpm.