probs with my mums rover

[tmmollah]

my mums got a rover 414 N reg

Changed head gasket as all the symptoms of it were there, water in head, mayo like stuff, loads of smoke.
Changed head gasket ok and changed inlet manifold gasket
In the inlet manifold there was oil inside it, quite a bit.
When I fired it up it was chucking out sooo much smoke. The exhaust is full of wet oil and I had to top up the oil as it was completely empty.
Car is loosing oil from somewhere, but where

I know it aint a 200, but all the guys on this board know there stuff and have had so much experience with cars.

tonnie

[Nathan_200sx]

Please post in the correct forum please. :)

Sounds like head could be cracked.

[Daz W]

just a thought but did you use a genuine rover gasket cos the pattern ones are not up to the job on these plus renew the cylinder head bolts too these are strech bolts and they lose their effectiveness after theyve been heated up a few million times,if none of this then it sounds like either your head or your block is cracked or corroded hope this helps ;)

[Nathan_200sx]

that was Paul_s3 that moved that bye the way....... not meeeee

[tmmollah]

Got the gasket from a motor factor. I put quite a bite of that silicon sealer stuff, so I dont think anythings gonna get through. ?The car is taking in water and oil and just chucking it through the exhaust.
Didnt replace head bolts either.

[arry]

i take it the head was skimmed and checked when it came off tonnie? there were no cracks in it?

[Kanes]

out of interest, when was the cambelt last changed? old man's old 214 had signs of being worn so i changed it after the same issue (mayo) open up the head and a chuffing great crack.

[GrahamB]

Bloody Rover :mad:

My mum's N reg 200 (No not a proper one :rolleyes: stupid Rover the dog one ;) ) was crap too:mad:

Well the clutch lasted about 30K, Zorst about 35k. the bloody thing was ALWAYS breaking down due to it overheating and basically managed to bollox at least 3 head gaskets in less than 6 months :mad:

Fortunately she has seen the error of her ways and now drives a Nissan:D all be it a Primera :rolleyes:

[tmmollah]

didnt bother skimmin the head as I thnink it has been done before recently. The head gasket looked brand new and no sealant was on it.
Theres loads of oil on onwe of the spark plugs.
I think its probably best to get a re-conditioned head
Or if there is a crack, could this be repaired?

tonnie

[dunc]

Originally posted by tmmollah
didnt bother skimmin the head as I thnink it has been done before recently.

It was probably skimmed before for this very reason but unforuneatly it doesn't mean that it won't need done again this time :(

The usual routine for replacing a head gasket is checking that the head is flat because any overheating will cause it to warp and therefore the gasket will not fit anymore.

It's beginning to sound to me that the job might need to be done again this time using a proper HG and checking for warpage in the head.

Cracks in the head cannot be repaired AFAIK, but I may be corrected on this.

Dunc.

[Pete C]

The heads on those 1.4 K-series engines are prone to warping/cracking. It may be best to just get a recon head, will probably save money/hassle in the long run :(

[Wak]

You will at least need to get the head checked for cracks, they are prone to it.

You should also be careful not to skim the head too many times, Rover say you can't skim it at all because it buggers up the length tolerances for the head bolts. They stretch in use and you have to measure them to make sure they haven't got too long but the measurement means bugger all if your head isn't as thick as it should be.

Perhaps the head bolts are too long/head too thin and they are not clamping the head properly.

Anyway - sealant? I've never used sealant on a head gasket

[tmmollah]

Sealant is that blue universal stuff. Its just a rubbery sealant so nothing will get through.

[mambastu]

You'll need to get the head skimmed.

K-series engines use a gasket with a hard ring which tends to cut into the head. If the head is beyond skimming you'll have to get another one or have the head welded and re-skimmed.

[Daz W]

Doh theres always one NEVER EVER use sealant on a head gasket!!!! as I was told when I was a lad by eck!!!:D

[Daz W]

The K series is really a very good engine show me another 1.4 that gives 105hp as standard (no turbos please!) its just the heads were a bit poor on some of them they had a nasty habit of cracking/warping and becoming porous :)

[tmmollah]

Can I get the head checked for any cracks in it?

I was told that if I take it to an engineerinmg company they can do a pressure test on it, which will check for cracks.

[gaz.thomas]

I think this is possible but as part of the test if any cracks are found it pretty much blows the head to bits so there's no chance of getting it welded. 1.4 K heads are cheap enough anyway but if you blow your head (ooerr) you'll probably not get an exchange price.

Gaz
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[tmmollah]

phoned around and cheapest head I can get is £140 inc delivery with a 90 day warranty.

[docwra]

Originally posted by tmmollah
phoned around and cheapest head I can get is £140

Fnarr fnarr :D :D :D

[arry]

rofl :D

sorry tonnie - know its not funny, but thats a bit, erm, incinuatingly phrased ;)