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Craig David
19-04-2003, 17:25
Given the choice (and I know you may be biased...)
Accord Type R
or
late Prelude 2.2 TVEC
or
S14
I know you guys like the Nissan but the roads seem wet at least half the time and I recon a FWD car would be easier and quicker.
Also after the turbo went on my S13 I swore I'd never get another turbo car.
SteveDunn
19-04-2003, 17:43
When i went to pick up my s14a from somewhere up in Tamworth, a friend of mine came with me who owns a 98 Prel 2.2 Vtec. We drove back to his place and tested the cars along various private roads.
I got a phonecall later that day from the garage saying id left my CD wallet (part of my job and always in me cars) in their offices. I asked me friend if he'd come with me, as i'd forgotten the way. He got in and said it was a nice comfy car. I pulled onto the dualcarriageway and accelerated up to 70mph, his words were someting along the lines of "**** **** **** shit shit **** ****ing hell this is quick", a waggle of teh tail coming off one of the roundabouts also seemed to impress him :)
Another friend has a Type R, but ive not had a drive in that so cant comment.
So there ye go, S14 all the way for me :)
Definitely an S14, and not the case of being nissan, its the case of making the car rip :D :D
The other cars may be a better quality and can keep their value better but to me performance wise and goodies i'd go for an S14.
Accord Type R - smart but was a bit noisy and its missing any real push in the back. Felt much more stiffly sprung than the 200 I bought. 4 proper seats could have been useful though..
Prelude - this was my other choice but it was more money for less performance/tuning potential - and not as pretty.
Plus you'll soon get used to the wet roundabout "fun"
So my completely unbiased opinion is S14a;)
The only problem I have with VTECs is that you have to get the revs high to feel anything - VTEC-iness doesn't come in til around 5.5k. At least in a turbo'd car you can have usable power much lower in the rev range.
I was in a similar dilema when I got the SX.
I took out an Accord Type 'R', a Scooby WRX Wagon, a Civic Type 'R' and the SX which I eventually bought.
The two Honda's were great but you had to rev the nuts off them to get the change in cam profiles and performance. The scooby was the most rapid but the interior sucked (very cheap and nasty). In the end I was most impressed with the SX and I never had any intentions of modding (until Ijoined the SXOC about 6 months later!!).
Definately more fun with rear wheel drive in the wet or dry:D
Alg;)
When I read the thread title I thought this was going to be which is best S14 or NSX thing again, but no. Which is best a hotted up saloon car (albeit a reasonably talented one, but with a board hard ride), A Prelude (a Prelude FFS :eek: :eek: Hairdressers don't buy thses things because they're too effeminate :p , or a serious turbocharged performance coupe.
That's before we even get into the not insignificant issue of Scrabble.
;)
SpeedyPete
19-04-2003, 20:35
The only Honda Id have would be the NSX.
A mate of mine has the Civic type R and its dead below 6k revs, but when the v-tec lets loose its very quick.
Only problem I have though is its like having a turbo lag of a full rev range, so unless you keep the gear changes in the vtec you've got no chance :rolleyes:
Plus it makes you go cold to hear it rev like it does, ok its supposed to but it just doesnt feel right, at least motorbikes have the right 'note' the vtect just shouts "OUCH!" back at you as you fly off...
oh and its front wheel drive :rolleyes:
dobergoose
19-04-2003, 20:40
Front wheel drive:(
SpeedyPete
19-04-2003, 21:10
Three posts replies in a row Takan?
What, you hunting me down now??
SpeedyPete
19-04-2003, 21:14
Originally posted by Takan
Tell him to take it back to Honda so they can fix it, as all VTEC does is extend the torque higher up the revs (giving a slight increase). It's not like a turbo.
I can't answer this as I have no clue what you have just said.
oh and its front wheel drive :rolleyes:
Fair enough but they are still perfectly capable and more suited to their role.
No I wont, All v-tecs Ive been in are the same. No its not like a turbo, but it still goes nuts like one.
I was saying it hurts me to hear the car rev like it does - it just doesnt sound right.
They are capable yes, but hes already looking for something else (when this was supposed to be his 'silly machine' before kids), so its not keeping him THAT amused.
You should buy a nissan because honda's coined the phrase rice ? :p
http://www.re-alitek.com/rice.jpg
/me runs ! only a joke btw !
Pauly_Boy
20-04-2003, 03:11
Originally posted by Lenagh
You should buy a nissan because honda's coined the phrase rice ? :p
http://www.re-alitek.com/rice.jpg
/me runs ! only a joke btw !
lmao
Thats brill!
The integra looks good, and certainly sounds like a sports car, and the latest one looks like 1 too) but they have much less torque and don't really look like a Coupe, like the S13
Lets face it, the S13 is the best, but still, a S14 could do the job i supose :rolleyes: :D :)
Originally posted by P3t3-Th0m
Three posts replies in a row Takan?
What, you hunting me down now??
Yes it is a bit suspicious, quite a few of ur posts have been directly following and mostly contradicting Pete.
Is there a problem here?
Originally posted by P3t3-Th0m
I was saying it hurts me to hear the car rev like it does - it just doesnt sound right.
What about F1 cars ? :D Even though they rev so high they DO sound amazing!
SpeedyPete
20-04-2003, 11:19
Originally posted by andyf
What about F1 cars ? :D Even though they rev so high they DO sound amazing!
Yeah, I admit it, but as I say so do motorbikes....
The V-tec... well that just sounds like an over-revving car, which in my book makes my wallet tingle :D
its obviously fine otherwise Honda wouldnt do it, just something to get used to I guess!
SpeedyPete
20-04-2003, 11:20
Originally posted by Kev
Yes it is a bit suspicious, quite a few of ur posts have been directly following and mostly contradicting Pete.
Is there a problem here?
Dont know, I dont know the bloke. In fact I havnt ever spoken to him on here I dont believe?
Was gonna check his previous posts, to see if hes like that all the time :confused:
SpeedyPete
20-04-2003, 12:37
Originally posted by Kev
Yes it is a bit suspicious, quite a few of ur posts have been directly following and mostly contradicting Pete.
Is there a problem here?
In fact, looking at old posts comments like:
"good grief, it's like a never-ending stream of questions and polls from the th0mster"
doesnt exatly show any positive side this person. If your comments aren't contructive mate I dont want to hear them, in fact no-one does. I think youve got a bit of potato on your shoulder...
Pauly_Boy
20-04-2003, 13:30
This one had me puzzled..
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?threadid=25266&goto=newpost
This one I love...
click here (http://users.pandora.be/svextreme/Honsa racing.jpg)
dno where I got it though... from SXOC perhaps ?? :D
G
crackdownuk
21-04-2003, 00:36
Originally posted by Gwen
This one I love...
click here (http://users.pandora.be/svextreme/Honsa racing.jpg)
dno where I got it though... from SXOC perhaps ?? :D
G
ohhhhhh didnt you mother every tell you need to take the mickey out of people less fortunate that yourself, young man :mad: :eek: :rolleyes: ;)
thejames
21-04-2003, 00:51
Originally posted by Gwen
This one I love...
click here (http://users.pandora.be/svextreme/Honsa racing.jpg)
dno where I got it though... from SXOC perhaps ?? :D
G
There's a line people... Well, there was before you crossed it. :rolleyes:
skiddusmarkus
21-04-2003, 08:47
You can get V-Tec controllers to bring the switch over point further down the revrange to say just under 5000rpm.This still gives a powerband of around 3500-4000rpm so similar to a turbo.
Nocturnal
21-04-2003, 10:41
Well, from what I heard, there is no point in getting VTEC controller because honda already did a perfect job on finding where the the cam power band cross over and cross over at it.
There is no point using the higher cam if the lower cam is still giving you more power.
I honestly think VTEC is very good sounding in my book, require a cone intake, 4 to 1 header, and a exhaust. The mod probably make you loose power since you are taking in heat from engine bay, but it sounds wonderful once VTEC kick in.
Is it better then turbo...no way...EVER. :D
But it is easier to control then turbo, but you only buy VTEC for the sound. :)
Originally posted by Gwen
This one I love...
click here (http://users.pandora.be/svextreme/Honsa racing.jpg)
dno where I got it though... from SXOC perhaps ?? :D
G
No, no, no, no, no, that's way out of order :(
I've been blasting around in the father in laws NSX yesterday (though only in the passenger seat :( ) and it's such a good car. He's also got a new Accord. Why can't Nissan have such good build quality.
As for the rest of the range well, scrabble is the only possible word for it :D
I've driven a Prelude and thought it was pants, dire feedback through the steering and really naff gearchange.
If I was looking at a saloon alternative to the SX I'd definitely get back in a Lexus IS200 (which has VVTi, same thing as VTEC effectively). Not hugely powerful but superb feedback, road manners and RWD. The six speed shift combined with an incredibly sweet flat 6 engine makes it wonderful to redline all day long. Easily modded to do silly things as well (e.g. twin HKS turbos + FMIC = 4 door supra).
Originally posted by Kev
Yes it is a bit suspicious, quite a few of ur posts have been directly following and mostly contradicting Pete.
Is there a problem here?
Maybe he just disagrees with Pete? Simple as that? No conspiracy? :)
SpeedyPete
22-04-2003, 11:42
Yeah but makes an effort on three of my posts within 5 minutes?? I get thre alerts at once come through and hes targetted all three with non constructive 'for-sake-of-argument' responses.
AshT_200
22-04-2003, 12:54
Originally posted by P3t3-Th0m
Yeah, I admit it, but as I say so do motorbikes....
The V-tec... well that just sounds like an over-revving car, which in my book makes my wallet tingle :D
Drive an S2000 and then complain. :rolleyes: :p :D ;)
SpeedyPete
22-04-2003, 13:49
Originally posted by AshT_200
Drive an S2000 and then complain. :rolleyes: :p :D ;)
Heh, my boss had one ;)
And Id have an NSX :cool:
Originally posted by Tombs
Maybe he just someone else on the bb? Simple as that? No conspiracy? :)
thats a very good point tombs in which case id say to Pete just to ignore the comments.
SpeedyPete
16-05-2003, 17:13
Yeah, but have you seen the adjustable secondary cams?
wicked!
adjust them to any rev range
ChrisGee
16-05-2003, 20:01
Oh where to start on this one
Its VTEC VTEC ok not V-Tec, or VTECH or anything else! :p
ATR - nice sporty more family orientated car, still nippy tho, and handy if you have a growing family to take around.
5th Gen Prelude - very nice coupe 220bhp in the JDM's not bad at all :D
S14 - nice turbo car i like them :)
As for reving the nuts off them, theres nout wrong with it, my civic is a VTi with DOHC, below 5.5k its still a nipply 1.6 with 100bhp, hit 5.5k and the vtec kicks in and i have 160bhp outta my 1.6 wich will kill any other N/A 1.6 ive ever met.
Yes you can adjust the vtec point lower using a unichip or AVFC or many other controllers avaliable on the market, very handy as well. Once tuned more the point can be lowered and more gains achived, it can also be put higher up if you want more economy when motorway cruising.
As for comparing turbo to VTEC - sorry as far as im concerned its not do able, to totaly diffrent things IMO!
I like turbo's they give great power gains and are easy to gain even more. However i love my VTEC, the noise, and the look on faces of people when you get to 5.5k and leave them for dead is great :D
As for "lag" no no no, once you know how to drive the car right u learn how to get the best outta it, get the car to 2nd, floor it to 7.5k and with some nifty gear chnaging you wont ever leave VTEC right up to 5th and maybe 6th if the car has it.
As for "VVTi, same thing as VTEC effectively" :mad: dont start, VVti only cuts in at 6.5K and is over by about 7.5ish as for vtec much more reliable and a bigger power band :D
I wont start a fight as which is best u guys picked ur 200's cus u like them i respect that and i can see the fun :) i picked mine for my reasons also :) all are great high performance cars with greats looks to boot!
As for NSX - *drool* yes please (when im a zillionaire)
Ohh dont i sound like an angry honda owner lol (sorry)
As for choice of car - drive all three and make your own mind up as to what suits you best, thats the best way to pick any car :)
Scrabble and proud :thumbs:
Goodluck!
Chris_Gee
ChrisGee
16-05-2003, 20:04
Jeez long post :rolleyes:
Check out
www.hondarevolutions.com
Should be able to answer any and all your questions you have about hondas :D and most the mod's dont bite!
Chris_Gee
sroberts
16-05-2003, 20:08
I had an accord Type-R over christ and I must say... they are the mutz nutz :D If I had to change to a 4 door, one of those things would be mine.
Si :)
Originally posted by ChrisGee
[B]As for "VVTi, same thing as VTEC effectively" :mad: dont start, VVti only cuts in at 6.5K and is over by about 7.5ish as for vtec much more reliable and a bigger power band :D
Err, I'm pretty sure my IS200 changed profile at 4,250, I had it for two years and thrashed the pants off it every day and I had a Prelude for a few weeks which was dull in comparison, especially as it was supposed to be a sports coupe not a luxury compact saloon. You driven them both?
Let's face it, overall Toyota make better cars than Honda or Nissan (or just about anyone else), as established by financial performance, market share, JD Power results, etc. etc. The story of Lexus' conquest of the US market in 2 years is one of the most remarkable stories in motoring history.
dodgydave
08-06-2003, 15:46
ive always looked on it in two ways
front wheel drive vs rear wheel drive
and epensive vs value for money
if rear wheel and value got you you have = 200sx
front and expensive = honda
but hey yeah im probally biased
as got my 200 for only £250 and i love rwd, gone from a bug to this just to stick with rwd.lol
:thumbs:
its a choice not a comprimise my arse
aka-coley
08-06-2003, 23:34
i used to own a 4th gen Prelude, and it is a great car,. comparing the s14 to a prelude or any of the performance honda's isnt really useful as they are very different cars. what they do have in common is good performance and handling, the hondas are a more capable car for the less capable driver, while the 200 can be driven faster if u are a more capable driver (on the winding roads anyway)
In a straight line the s14 would be the winner, there isnt a massive difference but s14 would be quicker. but to say the prelude is dull in comparison is a bit of a cheap shot as it has excellent handling, endless grip and not like your typical fwd, and not like a luxury saloon.
What the hondas do have in there favour is build quality. bullet proof engines, even tho they rev so high, and also, mpg is good, as the car can be driven like an ordinary car, but also when booted has high performance.
p.s. using a vtec controller to lower the cam change is very beneficial to performance, but not to the mpg! honda set it up so owners would have the best of both worlds, economy driving and performance at the top of the rev range, lowering it does have noticable performance enhancements
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