View Full Version : S13 or S14, Which is faster?
I'd be interested to know what the speed difference was between the standard S13 & S14? Does anyone have figures on this?
I used to have an S13 an the turbo span up faster but ran out of puff, it also seemed to have less torque?
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Red 1995/S14
K&N
Having been in both, I would say the S14 is much quicker in std trim than an S13. IMO the S13 is not at all impressive in std trim until you get it wound up to say, over 80 or 90.
I am sure some will disagree, but hey..thats life.
Mig.
Actual_Ben_Taylor
08-06-2001, 13:17
I owned both at the same time and the S14 is definately faster than the S13 (in standard trim).
Ben
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Black '98 S14
Papa Lazarou
08-06-2001, 13:20
Figures from Parkers:
200SX S13
Max power 169 bhp
Top speed 137 mph
0-60 6.7 secs
MPG 30.3
200SX S14
Max Power 200 bhp
Top Speed 146 mph
0-60 7.5 secs
MPG 29.1
I'm not entirely convinced of the accuracy of these but they are the figures which are claimed.
Nathan_200sx
08-06-2001, 13:40
Sorry mig got to disagree with the standard s13 bit if you mean it generaly, if it's just a comparison against the s14 I might agree but not alot. Also even though the standard s13 is faster to 60 the s14 will still beat it to 100 with it's bigger turbo it doesnt run out of puff as quick and keep's pulling. but hey thats progress for you, they were hardley going to make it slower.
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Nathan
Red S13 Mongoose, K&N T3 280ish BHP http://mysmilies.com/smilies/cwm30.gif
Empty bank account
MarkJord
08-06-2001, 13:42
Autocar got 6.4 to 60 on their S14 test according to the figures in the back of the mag.
Nathan,
I was being general aout the std S13's. I was thoroughly un-impressed with my standard one and my friends.
A m8 had a mildly modded 309 GTI with 150 at the flywheel and I could not close on him till after 80.
However, with the few cheap mods required to hit 200Bhp, it transformed the car.
How people get 6 odd seconds to 60 in a std S13 I will never know. Fastest I have managed is 7 dead at 200+ Bhp.
That was at silverstone 3 years ago on a timing gun. I had to shift to 3rd to get 60mph. The graph I got showed me doing 59mph in 6.1 seconds so my take-off and 1st gear change cant have been that bad.
As an S13 owner, I hate to admit the following, but Revs Tested a few RWD cars a while back, and an S13 was one of them. The best 0-60 time they could get was 7.9 http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/frown.gif
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Stu
DIY T3, FMIC, but need more power!!
It was quite plausable that the car Revs had was pretty knackered.. I think they even mentioned the clutch had some slip on it.
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Graphite Grey S13
HKS Hiper Muffler / KYB Shocks / Avo Springs
Nathan_200sx
08-06-2001, 15:48
Mig, maybee it affected me more because I came from a knackerd seat Ibiza to the 200sx, but I still think in standard trim it's a pretty rapid car, might not be the best but it's good. as for the 309GTI what power to weight ratio difference is there between that and the SX?
I've never been able to come near quoted 0-60's in any car that I've had and always take them with a pinch of salt. I've heard that they get this figure by some professional tester spanking up and down a flat bit of tarmac all day and then taking an average. dont know how true this is but it would explain why I've never been able to get near the times.
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Nathan
Red S13 Mongoose, K&N T3 280ish BHP http://mysmilies.com/smilies/cwm30.gif
Empty bank account
Yeah..the 0-60 times are suspect.
Is it normal to not really be able to hit 60 in 2nd? My clock said I was doing 62 so I thought I had cracked it.
Surely the 200's must be able to hit 60 in 2nd for someone to get a 0-60 in such a good time, I know I get a speedo indication of about 70 at 8000rpm in 2nd (dont quote me though, when Im trying that hard Im not really looking at the speedo http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/biggrin.gif)
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Stu
DIY T3, FMIC, but need more power!!
Most likely if the 60mph was attainable in second gear but in the red line, magazine testers would accept that, whereas most road users probably wouldn't want to veer into that area time after time. I've never used 2nd to hit 60 but I forget how much into the redline you have to go.
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Graphite Grey S13
HKS Hiper Muffler / KYB Shocks / Avo Springs
SXOC Admin
08-06-2001, 16:52
I've hit 60 in second no problem on many occasions. As for 7.9 to 60, whatta loada shat. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/rolleyes.gif Fooking REVS, cack magazine. http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/mad.gif
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Dave Refault
Owner - Nissan200sx Web
S13 - Mild Mods.
S14 does about 70 in 2nd gear, much taller gearing, so bit of a disadvantage on the acceleration front, but saves .3s-ish on the gear change.
When I first tested out my std. S14 I found it difficult to beat 7s, but after about 50 or so practise runs, it's really amazing how much better you can get at it. Had it down to 6.3s before I added an exhuast and filter, last run I did I got 5.98s - call it 6 dead, and 14.5 to 100.
You can't do it with a speedo, they all over read. You can basically add half a second to your 60 time if you do it with the speedo.
Tom
... oh yeah, the rev counter over-reads a bit too. Mine over reads by about 300rpm.
Autocar state max speeds in second as follows:
S13, 62mph
S14, 71mph
Matt
Kenny_s13
08-06-2001, 21:10
I wouldn't like to put mine up against an S14, but I think the S14 power delivery is more instant from the line, but then mine is old and an auto -and and and......,I'm saving up for a jspec lump.
Then we'll see http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif http://300zx.co.uk/200sx/ubb/smile.gif
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1990 S13 std.green/grey 2 tone
15" Smiths Twisters
Don't suppose anyone has either copy of Autocar which would have had a full road test of an S13 or S14? I'd love to know what they said about them, especially the S13, although it's a fair while since it came out.
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Graphite Grey S13
HKS Hiper Muffler / KYB Shocks / Avo Springs
As an Autocar reader since about 1987 (pocket money pending, I was only about 13!), I've got the roadtests for the later S13 and the S14 when it first came out.
Good reading.
I've got a photocopy of the original S13 test from Haymarket Publications.
If you're interested, ring them on 01235 534323. The dates for the S13 are 19/4/89 and 4/3/92. S14 is 14/9/94.
I think they're about £2.50 each.
Whilst I was at Billing last July I got EVERY bit of paperwork they had on the stall featuring the "new 200sx", both early and late models brochures etc.
Quite interesting reading.
By the way, DAN - I want my 200sx S14 roadtest Autocar back at the next NTOC meet, if not before, ta matey!
Matt
Didn't Parker's road-tests also say that the S13 was quicker accelerating than the S14?
I wish I had the chance to test against that red S14 that was having some fun the other day. I must have scared the poor bugget what with all the weird sounds coming from my car. No wonder he overtook a load of cars, trying to put some distance between himself and the soon-to-self-destruct thing.
I've just had a thought also - I've been thinking adding the intercooler will give another 30 bhp.. I'd completely forgotten about the boost upgrade too.. it'll be more like another 60 ... holy cow.
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Graphite Grey S13
HKS Hiper Muffler / KYB Shocks / Avo Springs
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SteveCarter200
10-06-2001, 11:11
Right, these are test results from Autocar magazine on a '92 S13 and a '94 S14.
S13, S14
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Power(bhp)- 164, 197
Torque(lb ft)- 163, 195
Top Speed(mph)- 140, 146
0-60- 6.8, 6.4
30-70 thru gears- 6.5, 5.8
Quarter Mile- 15.3@92, 15.0
30-50 in 4th- 6.9, 7.5
50-70 in 5th- 7.3, 8.1
mph/1000rpm in 5th- 21.4, 23.2
standing Km- 27.8s
@117mph
Max speed in 1st- 34@7000rpm
" " " 2nd- 61@7000rpm
" " " 3rd- 90@7000rpm
" " " 4th- 122@7000rpm
" " " 5th- 140@6500rpm
0-100 (previous post?)-18.2
I wonder how many of you lot will be reaching for calculators to work out revs/speeds/times.
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Steve
Blue '89 S13, T28,
HKS IC, Mongoose,
Pipercross. 280ish bhp
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SteveCarter200
10-06-2001, 11:15
Originally posted by SteveCarter100:
Right, these are test results from Autocar magazine on a '92 S13 and a '94 S14.
S13 S14
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Power(bhp) 164 197
Torque(lb ft) 163 195
Top Speed(mph) 140 146
0-60 6.8 6.4
30-70 thru gears 6.5 5.8
Quarter Mile 15.3@92 15.0
30-50 in 4th 6.9 7.5
50-70 in 5th 7.3 8.1
mph/1000rpm in 5th 21.4 23.2
standing Km 27.8s
@117mph
Max speed in 1st 34@7000rpm
" 2nd 61@7000rpm
" 3rd 90@7000rpm
" 4th 122@7000rpm
" 5th 140@6500rpm
0-100 (previous post?)18.2
I wonder how many of you lot will be reaching for calculators to work out revs/speeds/times.
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Steve
Blue '89 S13, T28,
HKS IC, Mongoose,
Pipercross. 280ish bhp
SteveCarter200
10-06-2001, 11:25
Hmmm, ar$e
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Steve
Blue '89 S13, T28,
HKS IC, Mongoose,
Pipercross. 280ish bhp
RIGHT!
Firstly, all those of you who have been negative about performance should slap yourselves round the head with a rolled-up newspaper for ten minutes. Shame on you.
Secondly, we all know that every publication going has slightly different figures so the answer is to find the RIGHT figures.
In my (sad) quest to learn The Truth I recently purchased a book (£9.99) from Motor Books of London (they're on the web) called 'Nissan Turbos 1983-1994'
(ISBN 1 85847 445 0).
This book is full of original press reports and tests from the time the cars where built and compares them to other cars in their class.
The S13 (which has two reviews, 1989 and 1992 - excellent!) has just about every statistic you could ever think of.
Bearing in mind all the Nissan's reviewed (S13, S14, 300, GTiR etc.) were tested when new there is no chance of having slow, shagged-out cars.
The important figures for the S13/S14 are 6.8/6.4 and 140/146.
It also says that the S13 looks much nicer than the S14.
I made that bit up.
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Ripper
Grey 1993 S13
Dark S14
14-06-2001, 11:45
Have you got the email address ?? wouldn't mind getting a copy.
Did the book mention the seats in the S13 being c**p!
I had an S13 and if you cornered fast you'd practically slide off the seat, no side supports!!
Apart from that I had no complaints.
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Red 1995/S14
K&N
sfunny all this talk of seats and adjusting s13 ones to fit more snug. Im proper thin and dont have a prob at all really, the car slides before i slide on the seat.
I aint seen S14 ones so I dunno what they are like.
Ahhh, I do however have velcroe trousers.
Dark,
there's no e-mail address shown but the site is motorbooks.co.uk and all the info is on there.
They are an online shop BUT I rang them to confirm what I wanted was in stock and sent them a cheque. Doddle!
I also ordered the workshop manual (by Chilton's books) for £19.99 and I would recommend that, too. It's no Haynes manual but it's good enough.
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Ripper
Grey 1993 S13
Originally posted by BeanS14:
Did the book mention the seats in the S13 being c**p!
I had an S13 and if you cornered fast you'd practically slide off the seat, no side supports!!
Apart from that I had no complaints.
Bean,
The 1989 review wasn't specific enough but the 1992 said 'the sculpted seats are supportive and comfortable'.
Surprisingly, not a mention of the word c**p anywhere!
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Ripper
Grey 1993 S13
Originally posted by BeanS14:
Did the book mention the seats in the S13 being c**p!
I had an S13 and if you cornered fast you'd practically slide off the seat, no side supports!!
Apart from that I had no complaints.
Bean,
The 1989 review wasn't specific enough but the 1992 said 'the sculpted seats are supportive and comfortable'.
Surprisingly, not a mention of the word c**p anywhere!
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Ripper
Grey 1993 S13
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