Non-Extreme S14a Tidy Up [Archive]

ep1centre

02-09-2008, 20:47

Hi ya guys,

well cutting a long story short i bought an intercooler and in anticipation to its arrival i got a bit too carried away with the removal of necessary parts to fit it... i basicly started cleaning here and there as you do, and then i thought if i remove this bit i can clean under there and so on... since i saw Petrol's thread :Plug: i always wanted to do that to my car, unfortunately lack of mainly money but also space prevents me from doing so...

so i did the next best thing, a major clean up bit without the "extreme" side of engine out hassle and all that ...

i've got some plans for the car which i'll get to later for now i'll only apologize for the slow updates as i've got limited time to work on the car whenever i get the chance i'll just try to get as much done as possible so sometimes i forget to take pics of certain steps...

it'll take me a while to get the car to the stage i want it but it'll get there... i'm also hoping you guys can help with a few things i have doubts about i'd like to thank Petrol already for answering a few questions i had about some of the stuff he's used

now to the pics... :rolleyes:

ep1centre

02-09-2008, 21:31

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ep1centre

03-09-2008, 21:27

and another update, these were taken after i finished working on it on monday before i went back to work on tuesday, that's it now hols are over and progress will slow down :(

o well at least i got quite alot done...

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9010001.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9010002.jpg

also has anyone got any advice on taking the crank shaft pulley out... does spraying loads of WD40 on that rusty nut then after leaving it there to soak for a while then selecting 1st or some other gear to stop the crank rotating and just going for it with a power bar sound bout right? - or is that a bodge and there's some "proper" way of doing it?

i'm assuming its keyd as well so it wouldnt be a problem when sticking it back on?

karl elwell

03-09-2008, 21:57

Crack bar against the floor and flick the key sorts that out.:thumbs:

ep1centre

03-09-2008, 22:36

uhmmm sounds like an effortless way around it but i'll refer you to the pics above for a quick check on the state of that engine bay :wack:

pdh 14a

03-09-2008, 22:42

Nice work there mate! Looks a nice clean example to start with,very little rust there :thumbs:

jim22

03-09-2008, 22:55

Nice work mate:thumbs:.....when are we attacking the paint with a polisher then?:D

Petrol

03-09-2008, 23:02

Crank pulley bolt should come out OK using a breaker bar. Spraying WD on it is pretty pointless as it would never penetrate. Try chocking the wheels, selecting reverse gear and impacting the bar. I took mine out with the engine on the stand.

Looks good so far :nod::thumbs: As for the bits of rust I can see, for example where the chassis leg meets the front cross member, If you spray some Dynax on it, it will last a lot longer :thumbs:

Good luck and good work so far :)

mattlake

03-09-2008, 23:11

in gear and a good bar will do it luis:nod:

i can do it so it cant be that hard:wack:

Chriscooke

03-09-2008, 23:23

From those pic's it looks quite extreme to me:nod: good work:thumbs:

ep1centre

04-09-2008, 00:26

Nice work there mate! Looks a nice clean example to start with,very little rust there :thumbs:

yep indeed it is, i just had to do this before it was too far gone to bother... now it should be a nice and easy job, if given another year or 2 it would be a royal pain in the back side to do.

Nice work mate:thumbs:.....when are we attacking the paint with a polisher then?:D

uhh ohhh i've been found out by the locals :wack:

uhmmm i think that day is still a bit far away... it all depends wether i get this job that might be coming up over the next couple of weeks... then i should have the funds to kick this project into high gear.

Crank pulley bolt should come out OK using a breaker bar. Spraying WD on it is pretty pointless as it would never penetrate. Try chocking the wheels, selecting reverse gear and impacting the bar. I took mine out with the engine on the stand.

Looks good so far :nod::thumbs: As for the bits of rust I can see, for example where the chassis leg meets the front cross member, If you spray some Dynax on it, it will last a lot longer :thumbs:

Good luck and good work so far :)

thanks matey, always good to have the thumbs up from the master :notworthy

i'm not gonna be keeping mine as standard looking as yours, but im not gonna "chav it up" i'll be going for something like what pdh s14a has, modified but subtle.

in gear and a good bar will do it luis:nod:

i can do it so it cant be that hard:wack:

got that, cant wait for the weekend so i can get on with it :thumbs:
i'll try my best not to forget pics, its all too easy to get carried away doing stuff and forgeting pics:wack:

From those pic's it looks quite extreme to me:nod: good work:thumbs:

its nothing when u compare it to what my personal hero up there mr Petrol has done to his!

ep1centre

04-09-2008, 18:54

some bits that arrived today... should keep me busy over the weekend

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9040001.jpg

dougal200

04-09-2008, 19:18

Bristol Blue

04-09-2008, 19:29

Yeaah looking good dude. Stuff done so far has come up really well.:thumbs:

:wave:

ep1centre

04-09-2008, 20:00

good work mate,

best to tackle it now whilst its not to corroded. if you look at my thread you will see what you are avoiding.

my best advice to you would be to make sure the corners where the strut tops meet the inner wings are still perfect from both sides. a bit of a touch up/seam sealer now will help alot.
i would also advise that you take out the front seat belt reels and get a good wax protector in there as they rust from the inside out.

well the seams where the struts meet the inner wings look pretty intact however one side kind of looks like it might be starting to have a few little brown rusty bits (no paint bubble or anything) so i'm not sure wether its worth removing it and redoing it.... but i think i'll take some pics and have a proper look on the weekend...

as for removing the seat belt reels this to wax the sills right? (ie by spraying it down the B pillar), if it is i belive theres an easyer way of doing it just by lifting the carpet and spraying it down the bolt holes... if not and indeed it is to spray the B pillars i have a couple of questions about that 1 being is it hard to remove the seatbelt jobbies, and 2 how come they rust seeing theres no water getting in there? unless you have a sunroof i didnt think water got into the A/B pillars at all...

Yeaah looking good dude. Stuff done so far has come up really well.:thumbs:

:wave:

thanks for the thumbs up matey, it should keep me busy for a while .... just making sure my investment wont just rot away...

looking forward to see you and our other lot at the next meet since i missed the last one...

Bristol Blue

04-09-2008, 20:08

it should keep me busy for a while .... just making sure my investment wont just rot away...

looking forward to see you and our other lot at the next meet since i missed the last one...

Got mine seen too today. Had some rusting around the rear subframe and suspension arm. Got that all wielded up and a couple of other minor spots treated. Should keep it in one piece for a while longer!

ep1centre

04-09-2008, 20:36

Talking about welding, still a little bit early for desperation but i sopose its worth asking already .... well to start with i havent got a welder 2 even if i went out and bought one, i have no experience with it at all so i wouldnt dare using it on the car but looking at the above mentioned seam between the strut and the inner wing theres a 50p coin sized bit of rust which has warped the metal (i'll get pics of it on the weekend) and it looks to me like as soon as i get the dremel on it it will reveal and nice bit of rot which i'll wanna get welded up... Now as i said i dont have the equpment or the know how to do it so i think i'll need the help of some local...

By the way not being rude but i'm only really happy with things when they have a "Petrol's Standard" aproval stamp on it... in other words i'm a fussy git and bodgers need not apply... seriously if anyone's got the skils and the equipment and could help it would be great!

dougal200

04-09-2008, 23:33

Petrol

05-09-2008, 00:13

as for removing the seat belt reels this to wax the sills right? (ie by spraying it down the B pillar), if it is i belive theres an easyer way of doing it just by lifting the carpet and spraying it down the bolt holes... if not and indeed it is to spray the B pillars i have a couple of questions about that 1 being is it hard to remove the seatbelt jobbies, and 2 how come they rust seeing theres no water getting in there? unless you have a sunroof i didnt think water got into the A/B pillars at all...

If you want to wax inject the B pillar, just remove the door catch ;)

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 01:02

sorry to mislead you mate,

it is in the sill just behind the b pillar. i think you may be able to get at it theough other holes in the sill but there are several layers of metal there and severe corrrosion has set in in both my s14s. Of course your car is a fair bit newer.

No insult taken about the petrol seal of approval he has done an adirable job with his car and has given us all some very usefull pointers for those of us who want to go that bit further and build very clean cars which should last.

keep up the good work

ps there are many members in your area who may be able to help. if you do get stuck then im only an hour or so down the road and more than happy to help:thumbs:

o dear i do feel the need to apologize now if i made it sound like i was aiming the comment at you there dougal, by no means i meant that and i'm sorry if it sounded like it, in fact i've read through your thread and you have some mad skils, very impressed with the head light rebuild, i mean its all impressive but that's particularly impressive!

one thing i thought about recomending to you on your thread only didnt get around to posting was electrolysis its time consuming but ultimatly very effective and metal friendly i would say, i'm certainly gonna be using that technique to do alot of my brackets and other bits and bobs i removed from the car!

also thanks for the offer there, i shall hope for volunteers nearer me to help me out on that one, but i can only really assess the damage after i've wire brushed it which i'll try to get done on the weekend!

If you want to wax inject the B pillar, just remove the door catch ;)

and another quality top tip from the master, thanks Petrol!

ahh and just to leave the question open, is there any need on doing the A/B pillars then as i said ealyer since theres no sun roof there really is no reason for water to get in those places therefore no reason for them to rust (?) or is threre another reason why they rust and i'm just making a school boy mistake?

dougal200

05-09-2008, 09:21

no probs mate,

the a/b pilars will be fine

electrolysis is something that i will definatly be doing on the front hubs and other castings etc it is far easyer than using a wire bush and produces much better results. i have a large old fish tank for just that purpose:thumbs:

There are some great tips and write ups on "locost builders" forum

you can also dunk the part in a vat of malassis the process is called chellation or some thing like that.

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 13:51

Yeh i'm gonna be using it for most stuff as i wanna make sure i get rid of rust good and proper but i dont see wire-brush/jenolite being up to the job so i see electrolisys being the way forward here. - The problem i'm having at the moment is i have no tank no power supply as for carbonate sodium, i think baking soda's close enough and should do the trick... at least untill i manage to buy some proper stuff off the flee-bay.

As for the anode i was thinking about using a threaded bar which iirc i have a bit at home, the tank i think i'll improvise something at home (at least to use over this weekend) the carbonate sodium as i said i think i'll just nick some of mums baking soda and the power supply... uhmm well... i think i might nick a variable regulated power supply off work to use over the weekend, it really is the ideal for this type of thing - problem is the manager is on holiday and he comes back monday, if he was here i'm sure he'd be ok with letting me borrow it but since he's away he might get a bit pissy if i just nick it... but oh well tough s***t i say!

dougal200

05-09-2008, 14:26

for the soda just use soda crystals as found with the washing powder in tesco etc. power supply is easy just use a very basic car charger.

you can use baking soda as far as i am aware too best to bake it first though

for the tank you can use a large plastic storage box as found at B&Q for about £5.

a bolt is fine for the anode but be aware that it will be eaten away quite quick. you can use a bit of stainless which will not erode but be aware that the gasses produced can be quite nasty.

good luck

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 18:05

cheers for the advice mate, i did borrow the power supply off work anyway, i'll worry about what the manager has to say on monday (he'll be ok)

i'm gonna set up my rig now to leave it going over night!

i'll take pics!

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 22:35

and here's the pics of my de-ruster jobbie, seemed to be working well when i left i shall see what the result is tomorrow!

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Bristol Blue

05-09-2008, 22:45

Bloody hell!:thumbs:

dougal200

05-09-2008, 22:50

wait till you see what it looks like later. usually has fantastic results. now all i need is a plastic tub big enough to fit my shell in:)

jim22

05-09-2008, 22:51

YAY! you can offer us locals a de-rusting service:D

Bristol Blue

05-09-2008, 22:56

I remember him going on about it at one of the meetings and this is exactly how I imagined it when he described it.

Hadn't considered electrolisis for de-rusting simply because I couldn't imagine taking all the rusty bits off the car to bath them overnight. Obviously no good for exterior panel rust, but for the bits you can take off and do... I look forward to seeing the before and after pics.

Cheers.:thumbs:

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 23:09

wait till you see what it looks like later. usually has fantastic results. now all i need is a plastic tub big enough to fit my shell in:)

funny you should mention that while i was knocking up that dooms-day rig i was thinking exactly the same thing and laughing to myself... hope no one heard me laughing on my own :o

btw a question about this then, how many cycles do you reckon the solution is good for before it needs to be replaced?

YAY! you can offer us locals a de-rusting service:D

so long as it fits in my bucket :wack:

I remember him going on about it at one of the meetings and this is exactly how I imagined it when he described it.

Hadn't considered electrolisis for de-rusting simply because I couldn't imagine taking all the rusty bits off the car to bath them overnight. Obviously no good for exterior panel rust, but for the bits you can take off and do... I look forward to seeing the before and after pics.

Cheers.:thumbs:

taking about exterior panels ... you wanna wait till you see what i'm gonna build up for my front wings... they have rust on the bottom which i need to sort out but i dont wanna mess up the paint on the whole wing so i'm gonna make some sort of stand that sits just high enough to dip just the rusted part in the soup - now that's gonna look funny and way over the top for what it is!

dougal200

05-09-2008, 23:21

with the amount of rust on the parts you have the solution should last for ages. when you use it for somthing like a front hub ie mega crusty, the solution will look awfull but still work.

i would be carefull on the wings i would be more tempted to use something like the bolt humber products as i hate to see you damage the paint.

keep up the good work

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 23:24

cheers for the tips matey, i shall be carefull... now bed time as i cant wait for tomoz to get out there and do more work on it!

Bristol Blue

05-09-2008, 23:25

taking about exterior panels ... you wanna wait till you see what i'm gonna build up for my front wings... they have rust on the bottom which i need to sort out but i dont wanna mess up the paint on the whole wing so i'm gonna make some sort of stand that sits just high enough to dip just the rusted part in the soup - now that's gonna look funny and way over the top for what it is!

Had I not read this thread, I would have thought your mad de-rusting your whole car using electrolisis!

Still seems a bit extreme though. But fair play to you!

Oh, Have you had you wheels sorted yet? Or were they beyond repair?

ep1centre

05-09-2008, 23:55

well if you put it this way, i wanted to tidy up my engine bay to start with which envolves taking bits off the car anyway, so if i got them off the car i might as well give em a coat of paint so that the engine bay looks nice, but since i'm coating them with paint well i'd better remove the rust to do a proper job... but when you look at rust removal theres wire bushing which takes effort and isnt exactly metal friendly then theres rust treatment products such as jenolite and deox C which ok they dont cost thaaaaaat much but when you've got your moneys counted like i have any money you can save to invest on other more important areas is a plus!

u'll understand my reason for chosing electrolisis after this break down

little bottle of jenolite = £10 (roughly cant remember how much this bottle costed exactly) + the fact that (sorry jenolite lovers) its sh1t3

the rig i just set up =

-free container for parts which i acquired from work
-threaded bar from B&Q which is in fact only a left over from something else i did a while back
-left over wire from when i was building my sub
-clamps are from a set which i'd bought specificly for this a little white ago fom CPC for 2/3 pounds
-some "drift tape"
-some more terminals i had lieing around
-power supply i borrowed from work, true i need to buy my own and its gonna cost as much as a fare few jenolite bottles but at least i'll be able to do other things with it and it'll do the job properly
-some water
-and 50p worth of soda

all in all it was dirt cheap to knock up a rig like that it'll get the job done and most importantly - done properly!

as for the wheels nothing new there, theres only 1 good and 1 repairable, so i'm gonna end up buying 3 new ones and leaving one as a spare, this is if they dont stop selling them before i manage to put money together for that

Bristol Blue

06-09-2008, 00:14

-some "drift tape"

Gotta have drift tape!!!!!LOL!:D

Yeah, I totally see where your comming from now, just not when you originally mentioned it.:thumbs:

Bristol Blue

06-09-2008, 00:19

as for the wheels nothing new there, theres only 1 good and 1 repairable, so i'm gonna end up buying 3 new ones and leaving one as a spare, this is if they dont stop selling them before i manage to put money together for that

Did you see the guys at the bottom of Muller Road? I posted a was it you up a while back, I think you were just pulling out of there?

ep1centre

06-09-2008, 09:59

jim22

06-09-2008, 10:10

Did you see the guys at the bottom of Muller Road? I posted a was it you up a while back, I think you were just pulling out of there?

Not autocosmetic centre I hope! I would not let them anywhere near my car again after what they did to it:mad:

ep1centre

06-09-2008, 10:14

not sure jim, i think this bloke's company's called Dentmagic tel: 01454618876 and mobile: 07970111405

i cant remember what the place is called but he seems to have his own little company and just turns up there to sort out dents for them, but why may i ask what has that place done to your 200?

jim22

06-09-2008, 10:24

Not the same people then:thumbs:

Basically my car was looking a bit swirly and I didn't own a polisher at the time so I had them mop the paint.....they ended up damaging all my window rubbers,burning and leaving huge scratches all over the paint.....yet when I displayed my unhappiness at the job they said "you cannot machine polish without leaving polishing marks:wack:"

Due to me having bit of a hectic time then I could not follow up on it and had to use my car with it looking awful for months,I then saved for the panels to be resprayed at another bodyshop and they fecked it up to:( how it looks to this day:indiff:

I have no confidence in any local bodyshops anymore,and to think of the money I wasted on that shite:annoyed:

edit: this was over a year ago.

ep1centre

06-09-2008, 23:16

dougal200

06-09-2008, 23:30

how did the dipping go mate

Bristol Blue

06-09-2008, 23:50

yeh i did and i did see you as well only i was a bit too worried about getting into the road to have noticed you earlier ... by the time i realized and waved it was too late....

that bloke there seems to do a great job i shall be using him to sort my car out... plus he's got a van with all his kit (ie he doesn't actually work for that company he just turns up a couple of times a week to do some jobs there) so i shall be chatting to him at some point to see if he'd turn up at my house to sort out my 200, it would certainly save me having to take out insurance and fill it up with petrol on purpose.

now garage time... i'll have pics tonight!

(btw Steve, whens our meet this month, i'll still turn up in my ragged out R5 - belive it or not its still going)

Yeah, that sounds like the guy. His name is Dean. I've known him for years, just didn't realize what he did!:wack: Bumped into him yesterday in town.

He takes on some of the work from the other company down there and often uses their premisis.

Monthly meet details in the West Country section. Slap wrist for not checking.:whip:

Usual second Saturday at Lonwell as normal plus the West Country and Wales big meet up and Rolling Road day at the end of the month. So get yer butt over to the WestCountry section:whip:

ep1centre

07-09-2008, 00:26

This is what yesterday's rig looked like this morning:

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This is what the anode looked like in the morning, it was worse by the time i finished tonight but i didnt get any pics of it then:

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This is what i pulled out of the tank in the morning, note how the rust just flakes off:

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And after 10 mins with the dremel and a mini wire brush:

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ep1centre

07-09-2008, 00:34

And some more of the brackets:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9060006.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9060008.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9060009.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9060010.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9060011.jpg

Then i had to set up my high quality spray shop:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9060004.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2034.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2033.jpg

then i got sick of having to shake these dam spray cans for what seemed like endless hours so i riged this up... (lol i get bored sometimes... ok quite often)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2040.jpg

Then i did some masking/spraying:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2056.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2057.jpg

I also took some pics of the rust that i'm not too sure how to go about fixing yet:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2061.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2060.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2058.jpg

And my first Stainless Steel bolt on the car yayy!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2043.jpg

ep1centre

07-09-2008, 00:39

And finnaly did some cleaning and tidying up and here's the result:

Before:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2041.jpg

After:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2063.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2064.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2065.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2066.jpg

And that's it for today... even tho he might not read this i'd like to thank and let every one know how much my cousin's been helping, its alot of progress for just over a week's worth of work on the car but that's certainly because of his help other wise well... i'd have half that done :wack:

ep1centre

07-09-2008, 00:49

Yeah, that sounds like the guy. His name is Dean. I've known him for years, just didn't realize what he did!:wack: Bumped into him yesterday in town.

He takes on some of the work from the other company down there and often uses their premisis.

Monthly meet details in the West Country section. Slap wrist for not checking.:whip:

Usual second Saturday at Lonwell as normal plus the West Country and Wales big meet up and Rolling Road day at the end of the month. So get yer butt over to the WestCountry section:whip:

yes sir! :thumbs:

just asked because last time i checked... the susual "near meet time" thread hadn't been started yet so i was wondering wether something had been changed... as for the RR day as much as i'd love to, well see pics above really!

and this mate of yours, you wouldnt happen to know wether he does house calls, would you?

Bristol Blue

07-09-2008, 01:03

yes sir! :thumbs:

just asked because last time i checked... the susual "near meet time" thread hadn't been started yet so i was wondering wether something had been changed...

mate of yours, you wouldnt happen to know wether he does house calls, would you?

What are you? Living in the past! - The thread may have dropped down a little but are up with plenty of notice these days. Also listed in the calender too!

House calls? I'll find out...

ep1centre

07-09-2008, 10:01

What are you? Living in the past! - The thread may have dropped down a little but are up with plenty of notice these days. Also listed in the calender too!

House calls? I'll find out...

kk thanks Steve that's great!

does anyone have any suggestions on how to take the abs tube brackets out ? they're pretty rusty and i'd much rather use a bit of the old electric trickery on it rather than having to spend ages with the Dremel around it and only having half a job at the end!

also some thoughts on that rust i posted pics of would be apreciated... looking at that bettery tray i'm not too happy about how it might stay underneath if i just do the top, at the same time i'm not sure how to remove with with minimal damage to anything around it - and so that it can be put back on.

ep1centre

07-09-2008, 22:44

And here's today's update... not as much progress as i was on my own today, but i was still happy with the amount of work i managed to do on my own.

Here's a couple of rather rusty brackets from start to finish only wire brushed at the end with a hand brush to flake the rust off, electrosis really is great the rust the falls off the metal - nice!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2049.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2050.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2054.jpg

after being left overnight:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070001.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070004.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070005.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070006.jpg

Then afer drying a quick once over with a hand wire brush:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070021.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070022.jpg

Then since i was on my own i decided to do a rather easy job so i sat on my fat arse preping the arches and undersealing them, managed to prep both but only underseal one :cry:

Before Underseal:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070007.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070008.jpg

After Underseal:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070009.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070010.jpg

Dam the underseal tho it looks like tarr smells like petrol and flows like dry-ish honey... really wired stuff but now i'm quite confident that water isnt gonna be a problem... not for a long time anyway.

ep1centre

07-09-2008, 22:51

So anyway then after undersealing one side it was a bit too late to start the other so i decided to spend the next hour or so masking the bay up for me to spray the ... well the non masked bits :wack:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070012.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070013.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070014.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070015.jpg

And between doing all those things above i managed to squeeze in cleaning the under tray which was covered in oil and gunk from many moons ago.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070016.jpg

Also spraying the metal bit on the inside of the fan:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070017.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070025.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070026.jpg

As well as some other random bits and bobs

NATS siren bracket:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070019.jpg

Fan viscous coupleing:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070020.jpg

Bonet catch, air con bracket and something else i cant remember where its from :wack:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/P9070024.jpg

pdh 14a

07-09-2008, 23:23

Your doing a cracking job on this mate :clap: :notworthy
I have gone all lazy with mine this year :(

dougal200

07-09-2008, 23:41

looks like a good days work mate. looking good

a bit of a tip for you, if you apply paint stripper to the brackets first, then wire brush then before you dip them then you will not risk leaving any rust upder the remaining paint. :thumbs:

i will post up a guide in the next few days on my thread showing how to patch a hole, just need to get some gas for my mig.

i have a bit of a guide for battery tray removal in my thread but there is no way to remove it without a drill (AND A WELDER TO REATTACH) perhapse you could try some deox c, they sell a similar product in halfords (hamorite)

hope this helps a bit

ep1centre

08-09-2008, 00:33

Your doing a cracking job on this mate :clap: :notworthy
I have gone all lazy with mine this year :(

Thanks Paul apreciate the thumbs up, gives me motivation!

looks like a good days work mate. looking good

a bit of a tip for you, if you apply paint stripper to the brackets first, then wire brush then before you dip them then you will not risk leaving any rust upder the remaining paint. :thumbs:

i will post up a guide in the next few days on my thread showing how to patch a hole, just need to get some gas for my mig.

i have a bit of a guide for battery tray removal in my thread but there is no way to remove it without a drill (AND A WELDER TO REATTACH) perhapse you could try some deox c, they sell a similar product in halfords (hamorite)

hope this helps a bit

thanks for the tip mate, i sopose its more time effective than what i've been doing which is dip it then wirebrush and sand it untill all the paint is off then dip it again to get rid of any additional rust.

as for patching a hole it'll be interesting to see how its done but i'll still have to get someone else to do that bit for me as i dont have or ever used any type of welder.

next step for me is to spray the outside of the engine bay the problem is i dono what to use, i've been trying some different paints like hammerite and another one i cant remember the name and even tho it says on the tin they're "smooth" they seem to "bubble" when i spray them on and then dry to a kind of hammered finish... why arent the dam spray paints like the primers where only a very nice and smooth coat of paint comes out... and no its not a reaction to the primer or anything as i've used the 2 paints on stuff with and without primer and its always the same :confused:

Bristol Blue

09-09-2008, 21:54

Keep up the good work:clap:

It's looking excellent.:thumbs:

TM_S13

09-09-2008, 22:10

hum... interesting... keep up...

ep1centre

09-09-2008, 23:34

Keep up the good work:clap:

It's looking excellent.:thumbs:

thanks matey, i'm looking forward to our meet this sat coming up!

hum... interesting... keep up...

and thanks to you as well :thumbs:

well a small update ...

yesterday i received my intercooler (thanks to joedumper) it needs a shine up and a couple of fins need to be bent straight but its in amazing condition specially for such an item which can get so easily damaged...

pic:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/08092008.jpg

i also went about dismantleing and cleaning the throtle body/plenum whichever one is the correct one, unfortunatly i havent taken any pics of it after cleaning it - i'll probably take some pics after its been put back together as at the moment i've only polished the aluminium i havent put it back together yet.

pics:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/27082008001.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/27082008002.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/27082008003.jpg

i also looked at some of the spraying i've been doing and i'm just not happy with it unfortunatly all the good paint i can buy comes in tins for spraying with a compressor so i thought fcuk it ... i've been wanting a compressor for ages so i bought one :wack:

today i cleaned the carbon canister so its nice and shinny like new now... i also put the fan back together - but i might still take it apart again as i'm not happy with the paint on it... the stuff i've been using doesnt seem to be working properly... not sure why could be lack of shaking it proplery, humidity, heat or cold... so many things...

anyway this weekend coming should be to install my compressor/sort out under my bench, fix our tumble dryer :wack: go to the meet and other random bits and bobs as i'll have to wait till i get paid to buy the paints and things needed to start spraying ...

ahh and to close it all off, i really really needed some big plastics if anyone had some it would be much apreciated... i need to partition the garage a bit better for spraying otherwise it'll all get coverd in it!

ep1centre

15-09-2008, 00:25

Update time again:

right so its a bit late and i'm knackered after spending the whole day making and sound deadened cubicle for a compressor i bought (hasnt arrived yet) and generaly finishing/sorting out my bench.

i got a few pics of some bits and bobs i managed to do/clean during the day unfortunatly i forgot to grab a pic of the boot after i stached away all the plastic trims arch liners and undertray... but i'll try to do that during the week sometime.

i also washed my bashed up set of wheels but still got a pic of one that escaped, hopefuly i'll put money together soon for replacements... but then again theres so many things i need to buy its just a matter of deciding where to invest money first!

pics now!

Before:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2034.jpg

During:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2089.jpg

After:
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2090.jpg

And these are just the pics of all the other bits and bobs i've already sorted out!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2078.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2079.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2080.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2081.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2082.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/ep1centre/Non-Extreme%20S14a%20Tidy%20Up/IMG_2088.jpg

dread

15-09-2008, 13:52

Looking really good mate.

I really want to do something like this with mine next summer, threads like yours and petrol's really help to give me an idea of the task at hand.

Torbjorn

15-09-2008, 16:03

Great work so far! :thumbs:

Imho you should get rid of the blue wire sleeves, they only make the engine bay look more cluttered...

ep1centre

15-09-2008, 19:14

Looking really good mate.

I really want to do something like this with mine next summer, threads like yours and petrol's really help to give me an idea of the task at hand.

one thing i have to say to you is make sure you got the cash to keep you going, it always turns out to be more expensive than it first looks, and i cant tell you enough how frustrating it is having to wait ages till i manage to put the cash together to buy the things i want... specially when you know you're missing bargains... like i am at the moment!

Great work so far! :thumbs:

Imho you should get rid of the blue wire sleeves, they only make the engine bay look more cluttered...

too late to go removing the cable sleeves now... besides once i put it all back together it'll look nicer!

ep1centre

15-09-2008, 20:21

By the way, i've been meaning to ask and i keep forgetting, i've completely undersealed one under arch (as pics show a page or 2 back) with some stuff called Carplan Tetroseal Underbody Sealant well the thing is its been a couple of weeks since i've done it and the stuf isnt looking great i mean i dont know what i was expecting but it doesnt look much like the standard undersealant its just all hard a gritty and it feels like sand paper and a friend of mine warned me off it, claiming it was crap.

Now i'm confused and not sure wether its worth the hard work that'll be wire brushing it all off again to apply something else.

Does anyone here know anything about this stuff? and not just it'll probably be alright, i mean really know something about it?

some input would be apreciated!

thanks!

Bristol Blue

15-09-2008, 21:54

On browsing through Google, the trend would suggest it does exactly what it says on the tin.

Before too long you come across someone who says they prefer a waxoyl.

Haven't delved into the properties of the compounds. I guess you were wanting it to do what it says on the tin and look nice too!

Don't know what products would be best for you though.

I personally would go for a waxoyl.

jim22

15-09-2008, 22:49

Petrol

15-09-2008, 22:59

A couple of very quick comments for you (sorry I am busy working at the mo)

Most Tetroseal products are poor. It's better to go for a proper brand like 3M :nod: Underseal and stonechip is "basically" the same stuff :) Stonechip is by far a better product though, as it offers better protection and gives a better finish

Waxoyl..... well personally, I would rather leave the metal to rust away as from what I have seen in my 30 years of messing with cars, it does more harm than good. I did a test - Waxoyl V Dynax do a search - try "flooding the sills" in .... edit found it

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=287293&highlight=flooding

To answer your PM -

I have not used POR on the S14. I have used Electrox primer straight on bare metal followed by 2 pack paint

The rocker cover was sprayed black to compliment the carbon fibre ;)

I removed the letters on the rocker with wet and dry. Started off with coarse and went finer and finer. Didn't think shotblasting was a good idea for fear of sand inside - there is a baffle inside of the rocker :nod: I also masked the baffle out just to be on the safe side ;)

Keep at it... just don't skimp using inferior products :thumbs:

Hope this helps you :nod:

ep1centre

16-09-2008, 08:41

You should have said you wanted large plastic sheets as I can get you LOADS of huge plastic bags(quite strong and thick)from work:rolleyes:

I'll grab some for you mate:thumbs:

Oh and great work it's looking tops:nod:.....but don't make it look to nice as I don't want to sell my car just yet.:D

YESS!!!! thanks James, that's bril i've been looking for ages for some big plastic sheets to partition my Garage so that i can spray inside without covering everything in paint but no luck - so a couple of them would be brilliant!!!

A couple of very quick comments for you (sorry I am busy working at the mo)

Most Tetroseal products are poor. It's better to go for a proper brand like 3M :nod: Underseal and stonechip is "basically" the same stuff :) Stonechip is by far a better product though, as it offers better protection and gives a better finish

Waxoyl..... well personally, I would rather leave the metal to rust away as from what I have seen in my 30 years of messing with cars, it does more harm than good. I did a test - Waxoyl V Dynax do a search - try "flooding the sills" in .... edit found it

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=287293&highlight=flooding

To answer your PM -

I have not used POR on the S14. I have used Electrox primer straight on bare metal followed by 2 pack paint

The rocker cover was sprayed black to compliment the carbon fibre ;)

I removed the letters on the rocker with wet and dry. Started off with coarse and went finer and finer. Didn't think shotblasting was a good idea for fear of sand inside - there is a baffle inside of the rocker :nod: I also masked the baffle out just to be on the safe side ;)

Keep at it... just don't skimp using inferior products :thumbs:

Hope this helps you :nod:

Thanks Petrol, good info as always :notworthy

I was up till 00:30 last night going through your thread searching for that test as i'd seen it before so i could answer Bristol Blue up there, still - thanks Steve :thumbs:

And yep i'm trying to use only good quality stuff, only its hard to know unless you hassle people and ask them how good things are because if you go by what it says on the tin they're all amazing!

And also since i dont know any other good quality top coats so far the plan is to use Electrox as a Primer then a coat of Por15 Undercoat and finnaly one last coat of POR15 top Coat (like i described in my PM), as for the underside i think i'll do exactly the same as i just described but i'll add stonechip on top from here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3M-Black-Body-Shutz-3-x-1Ltr-Canisters-08861_W0QQitemZ360083429331QQihZ023QQcategoryZ3092 3QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)

So Bring on the weekend and i shall be at it with the drill and a wire brush getting rid of all that Tetroseal stuff!:wack:

Petrol

16-09-2008, 22:18

Thats the stuff :thumbs: You might struggle to get the underseal off with a wire brush, the bristles will probably clog up :( Might be an idea to try to soften it with some white spirit and use a plastic scraper to get the bulk off first ;)

I wouldn't bother with the POR 15 "undercoat" :no: I would go for 2 coats of Electrox then a good lashing with the POR black :thumbs: You will need some xzylene to thin the Electrox, there is a linky on page 1 of my thread where you can get it. You can clean the spraygun with normal thinners though, it works out a lot cheaper :)

The main thing with a job like this is to get rid of as much rust as you can before you apply any paint. Whilst the Electrox will sort any minor bits of rust out, everything has it's limit. The more you get rid of, the longer it will last. Whilst I am confident that Electrox primer is about as good as it gets in terms of rust protection, it offers little in the way of mechanical protection. That's where the top coat comes in. It protects the Electrox from being chipped. Think of it as layers, the Electrox underneath is protecting the steel, the topcoat(s) are protecting the Electrox :nod:

Hope this helps and keep up the good work :thumbs:

ep1centre

16-09-2008, 22:27

Awww great!!!! top tips from the master, it makes jobs like these so much easyer ... that's the POR undercoat out of the list then, yess some more money saved to spend somewhere else where it really matters!

Question though - what about some clear coat wont the POR top coat be vulnerable without a clear coat on top of it all?

Obviously underneath it wont be needed as it will be getting stonechip/underseal on top of it all!

jim22

16-09-2008, 22:48

I have grabbed you a load of those bags mate:thumbs:....you need them anytime soon?

ep1centre

16-09-2008, 22:52

yayyy cheers bud top stuff!!!

i shouldnt need them untill the RR weekend but if they're in the way we can meet whenever you want and i'll take em off you - saves having to keep the things in the way untill then!

dougal200

16-09-2008, 23:33

i posted a reply last night but it appears not to be on here so im a bit confused, here it is again.

its good to see that you have decided to change the underseal, its ok for covering up quick welded patches for mots on old knackers but i dont rate it much for a propper job.

you seem to be heading down the right path now:thumbs:

As petrol says white spirit should do the job as the product is bitumin based so most solvents should desolve it.

im taking a slightly different path using products called aqua clean, rust blast and rust seal by kbs.

i apply paint stripper over the area to remove the original paint and stone chip, then use a wire brush in a drill to remove any remaining rust, paint then treat with hammerite rust remover (i will use deox c when i run out of the other) then wash off and wire brush again. i then use the aqua clean to remove any remaining crud followed by the rust blast.

The rust blast is an acidic cleaner which removes/cills off rust, etches the surface for the paint and leaves a zink phosphate layer which inhibits flash rust and helps in the long term.

the primer layer is the rust seal. this is very similar to por15 (made by ex employees of por) and seals off any remaining rust and creates a very very tough mechanical barier. The rust seal can be left as it is in none uv exposed areas or overcoated with a paint of your choice.

i will over paint in 2k to achive the concourse finish i am after ( i dont think ill use stone chip) but for regular use i would advise it.

i will be posting up a guide soon in my thread.

a few points worth mentioning as im sure petrol will agree with.

be aware of how far you want to go with the project it is far too easy to start with a "non-extreme tidy up" and end up with a nut and bolt restoration. Warning- making one bit shiny only makes the others look dirtyer and its all down hill from there:nod:

most of all keep up the good work and enjoy yourself:)

ep1centre

16-09-2008, 23:51

cheers for the info the more the better really...

as far as the "non-extreme tidy up" bit goes well, put it this way it started as removing the bumper to fit my new intercooler and its escalated from there now i just look at the thread name as a sarcastic thing really in my eyes i've gone all out on it... ok maybe not all out good and proper as that would mean engine out as well but the only reason i dont do that is one lack of space to put the darn thing while its out of the car and 2 that would attract yet more extra costs which i can live much better without, to be honest theres no need to yet anyway its a 50k car!

leaveing it in there on the other hand makes life much harder, meaning its a pain to spray the engine bay (mainly my strut towers are scratched to death) and also making it impossible to underseal on top of the gearbox.

i've set some targets to myself tho, my plan is to have the car ready to go to japfest/sxoc weekender next year which ever comes 1st and so that means that i'll only be doing the front half of the car this said i will litteraly draw a line in the midle of the car and work up to that line from there on it will be next years project.

dougal200

17-09-2008, 09:03

im aiming to have mine done by about that time too,

Dont worry too much about above the gearbox, mine was perfect and the car has far more rust than yours, if you are really woried get under and spray some cavity wax up there:thumbs:

ep1centre

17-09-2008, 19:59

yeh cheers for the tip, those were my thoughts exactly it shouldnt be bad up there i just wanted to do a proper job but then again, on something like this you gotta draw a line somewhere and mine's everything but engine and gearbox out!

i'm more worried about how i'm gonna spray the struts with the engine still in there as well as around the AC rad as i didnt wanna take the AC stuff out!

ep1centre

03-03-2009, 20:24

Hi ya,

Its been a while since i posted here but honestly coming here to post when your 200-less and in the freezing winter isnt a good idea as it just helps to remind me how much i miss driving it, anyway finnaly after a good 2 years of looking around i found a place to move to and as such the beast needs to drive onto a trailer ... either that or i need a pretty big crew to push it up the trailer so i've decided to step up (and the summer's coming anyway) and get it to start!

So far so good i've bought a few bits i wanted (unfortunatly not all of them but i'll leave that for another time) and i've put alot back together (still alot to go though) but i've hit a couple of road blocks the major one being one of my data storage HDDs died a couple of months ago and since i've been suffering with loss of important stuff, incuding the latest one being the lack of the S14/a Service manuals which i had on there, now i need to know part numbers to order gaskets as well as torque settings to put stuff back together!

Anyway i was just hoping some one might have a copy of the S14 Service Manual and the S14a supplement as well would be nice!

Thank you!

Petrol

04-03-2009, 23:43

pdh 14a

05-03-2009, 00:01

About time you got back on the bike mate! :thumbs:

ep1centre

05-03-2009, 08:25

Bit of a random post this but some of my thoughts :)

Anode looks zinc plated in your pics, it should be steel, maybe that’s why you had to wire brush the carbon canister bracket so much. I have tried electrolysis and it does work. It’s just a bit slow for me

Battery tray is screaming out for Deox gel

I want your undertray :D

Throttle body assembly – I seem to remember there is a waxy paper gasket that goes inside the fast idle cam

I have both manuals, tried to mail them to you but it failed – twice. BT broadband for ya

If Jim sorts out my hosting problemo I can upload the files if it’s OK with the SXOC mods

Keep up the good work fella, I know you are mega busy at the moment – car is looking good but be careful you don’t scratch the paint with all that dust on it. Sanding dust can make a real mess of paintwork

Good luck :thumbs:

Unfortunatly i'm having to cut this tidy up journey short, this house i'm moving to only has one of those cheap tin garages (if you can call them a garage at all) meaning i doubt my 200 will fit in there and even if it does i wont be able to close the doors, i'm gonna have to step up and get it on the road, which also means i wont have time to do everything properly, i'll try to keep my work as neat as possible tho but things such as sanding back to bare metal and spraying with the apropriate stuff now will have to do with some wire brush some deox and some brush on paint - its a shame but under the circumstances i think its better on the road than parked up in the rain rusting away!

yeap i did put the paper gasket in there, but it just doesnt seem right to me, still i bought another (standard) throttle body from a nice forum user for £16 which is cool, it should be here soon and then i can find out where i went wrong!

Thanks for trying on the manuals my email's (user635@msn.com) if that helps someone else is also sending them to me but i havent received it yet, if i do i'll post up here!

As for the dust i did give it a quick hose down before i put the car cover on (its outside at the moment) but there still seems to be alot of dust on it i was quite carefull putting the car cover on, its the wind that hasnt been too kind lately though!

Jules696

05-03-2009, 09:39

got some quality ideas meht. loving the bodges!

ep1centre

05-03-2009, 18:04

i'll do it as best i can but this project was doomed from the moment recession kicked in and the nice job i was soposed to be getting got closed down (instead of the team being expaded they made it smaller)

so everything i wanted to do to the car has just been a struggle since, still i dont think its been going too bad considering the budget cut!

johnpaul200sx

05-03-2009, 18:23

good work there mate,great build.

ep1centre

05-03-2009, 18:44

good work there mate,great build.

Thank you!

Hopefully there'll be engine noises soon!

ep1centre

15-03-2009, 11:24

ah well it was going too good to be true, i seem to have rounded off the thread on the long bolt that holds the plenum to the inlet manifold ... i was using a torque wrench set at 20lb/ft ?!?! is that too much i didnt think so, and none of the other bolts had any issues... solutions?

new manifold... which is a pain to undo it all again and fit it?
or longer bolt and a nut underneath it?
or tapping another thread and using a slightly bigger bolt?

suggestions would be nice!

Mike s14a

15-03-2009, 11:29

im not sure if this would suit but have you ever heard of a heli coil? basically you tap the hole a bit bigger, wind the coil into it and this should allow you to put the original bolt/stud back in there. but im not sure on how tight these can go or if they are just as good as a non stripped thread

ep1centre

15-03-2009, 18:35

ahh i just had a look at heli coils and it looks like it could be a good thing to keep in mind for whenever the plenum comes out again, for now i think i'm gonna try to get a longer bolt and put a nut on the other side as i'm on a very tight schedule... looks like i'll be starting it up tomorrow, well hopefully...

theres a couple of things i seem to have forgotten tho, one is where the long end (L shaped) of the big earth wire connects, it goes Battery>Plenum>?

another thing i have connected but i'm not too sure if its right is the carbon canister thingy and the 2 water pipes that connect to the throttle body for cold idle control...

anyone with a few pictures of those things could you post them up or pm them to me please it would be greatly apreciated!