View Full Version : I thought there where Speedy traps on the M25...
sroberts
21-03-2003, 17:02
Coming back from my first halfway last night, I got on the M25 and ran round to join the M1. Now I thought the M25 was mean't to be litter with speed cameras, so I kept it down to 80'ish :rolleyes: But then I saw a GT4 and a 911 going at, went past me like I was standing still.
Nice to see all you guys anyway :)
SI :)
sroberts
21-03-2003, 17:13
Oh and does anyone know of a greeny/blue S14. Followed it up the M1 to St Albans???
Si :)
sroberts
21-03-2003, 17:22
I think it was an 'N' reg?
Si :)
M25 speed cameras are only on when the variable speed limits are active... the cameras are in the gantries.
sroberts
21-03-2003, 17:36
Whens that then?, I was traviling at around 80-85 I think, is that ok? if not those other guys are fooked!
SI :)
Nathan_200sx
21-03-2003, 18:07
The variables are further round near heathrow. you should be ok. how many speed traps on the M1 north these days?
I seem to be able to fly past those with no trouble;) If there are camera's up there i've never seen them go off. I try to check my mirrors as I go past and never see anything up there.
Has been round with a radar detector?
beavertron
21-03-2003, 18:23
They are definately there - only flash wen the reduced speed limits in effect i think but dont trust me i dont do much on the m25 :rolleyes:
sroberts
21-03-2003, 18:26
Only reason I am a bit erh worried is that there was some old twat behind me, he was in the middle lane. I went past him at about 85 then moved across three lanes back to the inner while he stayed in the middle lane. But I am not sure if it was him who flashed me? It must have been him (old twat) as ther were people in the outside lane going past me!
Si :)
Don't worry, Si - the cameras are only active when speed limits are posted on the gantries, as beavertron said :) And the variable limit runs from somewhere round Gatwick to somewhere round Heathrow - not sure it extends as far as the M1 area altho someone will prolly put me right on that! :rolleyes: :D
Can have a good blast back round the '25 late at night - it's the only time you can ever have any fun on it!
tim rome
22-03-2003, 00:03
junc 10 to junc15
Papa Lazarou
22-03-2003, 13:24
99% sure I got flashed by one of those overhead cameras just north of Heathrow as I went passed doing 75 when a 60 limit was showing :rolleyes: But never heard anything from it so can only assume there was no film in the camera...
Suppose I've just been lucky so far:D
Slightly off topic but they've recently put cameras on The Highway in London (near Limehouse) and ruined a lovely stretch of road. Doh!
SteveDunn
22-03-2003, 14:43
I managed to do Luton to Whitstable in Kent in an hour and ten minutes last week, it was 3am and the roads were empty.
Didn't see any flashes... Hope i didnt get any flashes :( :)
Top half of M25 doesn't appear to have any cameras at all i.e north of M4 junction and round to dartford tunnel according to my geodesy.
Sideways Danny
23-03-2003, 15:59
did bedford to southend in 1hour 5 minutes couple of weeks ago, 120 most of the way, never had a problem with that bit of m1 or m25, as a rule when i'm going to surrey side of m25 the cameras seem to be in the area where there are no street lights, and I thought that they were SPECS cameras that took your average speed
Papa, you were DEAD lucky.......
The gatso's in the gantrees on the heathrow variable speed limit zone are electronic, so if you got away with, you were bloody lucky....
Nice one may the force be with you.....
Reminds me of a vectra company car I had, I got done by two lasers on bridges and forward facer all in one week and never ever heard anything, intil I got pulled because I was bored....
I got pulled for the car having no registered owner OR keeper, which is why I got away with those incidents :)
And btw, the police couldnt do anything about the fact the car had no owner or keeper, they even radioed it in and waited and there is **** all they could do :D
Dunno whether this helps guys -
Speed Cameras UK (http://www.speedcamerasuk.com/)
Papa Lazarou
23-03-2003, 19:44
Originally posted by Vez
Papa, you were DEAD lucky.......
The gatso's in the gantrees on the heathrow variable speed limit zone are electronic, so if you got away with, you were bloody lucky....
Nice one may the force be with you.....
Yey :)
Perhaps they had problems reading my square number plate heavily inset into the bottom of the bumper or something (cars an import remember!). Would guess it would make it tricky to read from above
It works like this
No variable limit - snap you at 93mph
Variable limit in effect - snap you at 12mph over...
However
There are only four active camera's (eight in total - cos of both directions) on the whole variable limit section - most are just empty boxes.... Oh, the magic of radar detectors!!
Dunk,
Surely if someone you knew had driven round from the M1 to the M23 well in excess of 100mph late at night on many occasions goind through the whole variable speed limit section each time and had never been flashed or received any letters it would seem to suggest that the cameras are off when the variable speed limit is not in force?
Or maybe I'm just lucky?:eek:
I've been flashed at 93mph and upwards on the variable limit cameras when no limit is in force....
This was in my old Calibra Turbo, which was Austrian registered :D :D :D :D :D
That was about three years ago.
scary, will have to keep it down in that section then :(
Basically the cameras are:
Anti-clock
Couple around the M4/M40 bit
One on that part that leads past Heathrow with the big embankment on the outside
One just before the M3
One just after the M3 from anticlock, on the run up to the Staines junction
Then i think, possibly one more before the A3
all camera locations have cameras on the opposite carriageway at the same point.
Remember that this is just the cameras with Radar working - doesn't mean to say that they are actually loaded, or indeed work at all.
scimmy ben
24-03-2003, 13:09
I can confirm the A3 and M3 ones. 1st/2nd gantry after A3 and gantry before M3 going clockwise - detector goes mad for a couple of seconds. If you go past them during rush hour the commuters seem to know them as they're the only ones they slow down for - This is not a reliable method for keeping hold of your license.
I work with someone who put them in and he says that the ones with cameras have small aerials at the end of gantries. I've been looking for these mythical aerials for the last 2 years and still haven't seen them!
Ben
I got an E-mail from a friend when the cameras were installed (should be reliable he works for 'the government') saying that the camera are the average speed measuring type and they are ony active when the aerials are up. This can be when varialble speed limits are in force or not.
Apparently on the gantrys where the cameras are housed there is a some type of stubby aerial which rises when the system is active.
I drive that section of the M25 about once a fortnight and I've never seen them.
Don't know if it's true buts the E-mail sounded well informed.
Alg;) (living in fear of technology every single day:D )
I've never heard that before, but then I was wrong about them not being active when the speed limits are off!
However, I've seen the SPECS cameras around roadworks nr. B'ham and they don't look anything like the ones in the M25 gantries which are std. GATSO by the looks of the holes for flash, camera and radar.
My god, the SPECS ones are sinister - you never know if you've been got! Only solution - drive steadily 10 mph below the speed limit...
Grim Turbo
30-07-2003, 21:45
Originally posted by sideways danny
did bedford to southend in 1hour 5 minutes couple of weeks ago, 120 most of the way, never had a problem with that bit of m1 or m25, as a rule when i'm going to surrey side of m25 the cameras seem to be in the area where there are no street lights, and I thought that they were SPECS cameras that took your average speed
deep respect ! i regularly run bedford to stanford-le-hope, but my best is 58 minutes for that, at 4 in the morning. southend is another 20 miles...
i thought there were cameras all round m25 from dartford to south mimms - obviously they don't work.
*I've dragged this post up...got a question...
I was on the M25 (near the Heathrow bit I think) earlier today at around 10.30am and was doing about 68-70mph, then for some reason I noticed the gantry ahead had a 40mph limit. Now, I couldn't put the brakes on hard cos; a) I was overtaking in lane two and b) there was a wagon behind me. So, my speed was around the 55mph ish when I went under the 40 variable limit....
...Seems completely unfair to me if I do get done, the roads were all clear so why drop the limit to 40 all of a sudden and then back up to 70 at the gantry straight after it (all of a few hundred yards) :confused: There was defo a camera on it cos I looked in my mirror, but couldn't tell whether or not it flashed.
tim rome
10-10-2003, 21:26
are u sure it was a speed camera u saw, they are very hard to spot, especially in a RVM there are however loads of cctv cameras, these arnt used to nick u for speeding they are the ones u see on the local travel news, used to locate accidents and such like and monitor the flow of traffic, so did the gantry just briefly flash up at 40 and then go off again or were u not concentrating
Originally posted by tim rome
are u sure it was a speed camera u saw, they are very hard to spot, especially in a RVM there are however loads of cctv cameras, these arnt used to nick u for speeding they are the ones u see on the local travel news, used to locate accidents and such like and monitor the flow of traffic, so did the gantry just briefly flash up at 40 and then go off again or were u not concentrating
It was defo a speed camera. I was concentrating - I saw the 40 but but the road conditions and the manouvre I was doing (overtaking) didn't make it safe for me to brake - have you ever been driving along a quiet motorway at 70 and then seen a random 30mph flash up in the middle of nowhere with no traffic anywhere and you think wtf is that for? It was like that, basically, if I slowed down (and bearing in mind I was in lane 2 overtaking at just under 70) both cars to my left and right would have gone past me, and there was also a truck behind me which also wouldn't have been best pleased. The safest thing for me to do (and was which is what I did) was take my foot off the pedal and slowing down to the limit, which as it happend, me not getting to 40mph until about 100 metres after the gantry.
Found this...
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/gatso10.htm
Pauly_Boy
10-10-2003, 22:09
One reason why i hate the M25!
I've seen it come up with 40 when the motorway is empty, pisses me off. I actually slow down as I'm not sure of the location (Although the ones nr the A3 are there!) and I don't want to give the govenment even more money!
Originally posted by Pauly_Boy
One reason why i hate the M25!
I've seen it come up with 40 when the motorway is empty, pisses me off. I actually slow down as I'm not sure of the location (Although the ones nr the A3 are there!) and I don't want to give the govenment even more money!
Exactly, I slow down too even if it means having some git behind 2inchs from the back bumper :mad:
Forgot to add, the other cars around me seemed to be going the same speed so we were all infact 'going with the flow'
I had this a couple of months ago, coming back in the middle of the night, round Heathrow. Completely clear road, derestricted, then a 30 for no apparent reason :mad: I was the only person who slowed down, so I guess the cameras weren't on.....bl00dy annoying tho!
I've been doing the junction 8 to Junction 12 run for bloody ages and I still can't see any aerials, cameras or boxes on the gantries (don't know what to look for).
I'm gonna try and find out a bit more on SSPECS and how they work (and more importantly where they are!)
But don't hold your breath I've only got a couple of official sources who are very 'low level':rolleyes: :p
Alg:nod:
Pauly_Boy
11-10-2003, 08:50
Originally posted by Algie
I've been doing the junction 8 to Junction 12 run for bloody ages and I still can't see any aerials, cameras or boxes on the gantries (don't know what to look for).
I'm gonna try and find out a bit more on SSPECS and how they work (and more importantly where they are!)
But don't hold your breath I've only got a couple of official sources who are very 'low level':rolleyes: :p
Alg:nod:
I don't think crash test dummies are to knowegable:wack:
o.k. from my personal knowledge as i travel to work from J13 to J10 everyday.
they are not specs. they are regular gatso.
i got double flashed doing about 75ish on the speedo when it was displaying a 60. i was just following the traffic in front and not paying enough attention at 8.30 in the morning. car in front got done as did car behind. NIP through post saying i was doing 71mph in a 60 - 3 points and £40.
i used to think that when speed restrictions were off then the cameras were off as i used to do about 100 most of the time then.
however coming from J10 (a3) northbound i went under one at 100mph and it flashed me. this was with no restrictions. luckily nothing came through the post. but is seems to be a bit of an urban legend that they are not on when the speed signs arent on.
i am moving to docklands and i am really pissed off about those cameras in the limehouse link tunnel as they are the only ones from my new place to my girlfriends and the rest is all DC out to royal docks.
tim rome
11-10-2003, 17:10
i know of somebody who does that section on a regular basis doing 100 plus and has never been flashed. think that if they did u for speeding when there was no restriction in place that we would have heard about it by now in the newspapers because there would be millions of peeps shouting about it, just my opinion
Originally posted by sideways danny
did bedford to southend in 1hour 5 minutes couple of weeks ago, 120 most of the way, never had a problem with that bit of m1 or m25, as a rule when i'm going to surrey side of m25 the cameras seem to be in the area where there are no street lights, and I thought that they were SPECS cameras that took your average speed
i regularly do that run as well, being an essex boy....
last bit of m1 just before the m25 has specs cameras
and the roadworks onthe 25 are heavily gauded, with working cameras.
Pauly_Boy
11-10-2003, 20:11
Originally posted by Grim Turbo2
i regularly do that run as well, being an essex boy....
last bit of m1 just before the m25 has specs cameras
and the roadworks onthe 25 are heavily gauded, with working cameras.
One roadwork camera flashed me 70 in a non road work area:confused: The M25 had road works which was limited to 50mph (I think) and then they finished about 1/2 milr before the M11, where they were also doing road works, 40mph speed limit! Thing is, where i was there was no signage, cones or anything so **** knows what the limit actually was!
Anyway, didn't get caught! Good ending to a crap story :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Grim Turbo2
i regularly do that run as well, being an essex boy....
last bit of m1 just before the m25 has specs cameras
and the roadworks onthe 25 are heavily gauded, with working cameras.
I didn't notice any SPECS cameras at the end of the M1 - don't they have to sign post for speed cameras too within a certain range?
Originally posted by Algie
I've been doing the junction 8 to Junction 12 run for bloody ages and I still can't see any aerials, cameras or boxes on the gantries (don't know what to look for).
Alg:nod:
Never seen the aerials but what you can see is top of the camera as you approach the gantries. This way it is quite easy to see which have cameras and which don't. Check out this pic
http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/jpg/m25speed.jpg
you can just see the top if the grey camera just above the display unit.
This is probably why I can't find them:rolleyes:
Even with a bloody picture I still can't work out which bit is the camera.:cry:
Is it the dark bit above the '40' sign behind the lorry?
Alg:nod:
AshT_200
12-10-2003, 08:29
I would be surpirsed if the police could use these cameras to prosecute. In such a close proximity of Hethrow Airport, you have Radar bouncing all over the place, which is sure to mess up the cameras.
Originally posted by Algie
This is probably why I can't find them:rolleyes:
Even with a bloody picture I still can't work out which bit is the camera.:cry:
Is it the dark bit above the '40' sign behind the lorry?
Alg:nod:
Yep, that's top edge of the back of the camera.
Originally posted by Ant
I didn't notice any SPECS cameras at the end of the M1 - don't they have to sign post for speed cameras too within a certain range?
just passed the M10 turn off, before you get to the M25. 2 gantries, about 1/2 mile apart. the SPECS consist of three cameras side by side
Ah right - can't say I noticed them but I'm sure any speed cameras have to be sign posted if they're within a 1mile radius...hence why you get roads with speed camera signs but no speed cameras. I guess its just police taking advantage of the rule.
inversion
13-10-2003, 12:59
The signposting is only required if the police force has joined the government's 'netting off' scheme, which means they can keep some of the cash from the fines. If they join, they need to put warning signs a certain distance away, paint them yellow (except in a conservation area) and not put up signs where there are no cameras within (I think) 1/4 mile.
If they haven't joined, they can do what the hell they like.
Oh, and if they have joined but don't follow the above GUIDELINES, it doesn't mean the ticket is invalid - they still get you.:mad:
I have no idea if the police in the M25/M1 area have joined the scheme, but I would imagine they have. Most of the greedy bar-stewards seem to have.
Pauly_Boy
15-10-2003, 18:54
Here's a pick of the cameras.
Today I just discovered that there are cameras all the way from the A3 to the Chersey junctions, and here the buggers are!
Thing is, don't know if they're all real and i didn't see any arieals :confused:
http://www.wow.f2s.com/wow/speed%20cameras.jpg
http://www.wow.f2s.com/wow/speed%20camera1.jpg
Originally posted by Pauly_Boy
Here's a pick of the cameras.
Today I just discovered that there are cameras all the way from the A3 to the Chersey junctions, and here the buggers are!
Thing is, don't know if they're all real and i didn't see any arieals :confused:
http://www.wow.f2s.com/wow/speed%20cameras.jpg
http://www.wow.f2s.com/wow/speed%20camera1.jpg
Nice one cheers mate!
I can see I'm going to have to keep very close eye on those things for future reference. (Going along the M25 tonight!)
Alg:nod:
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