View Full Version : 140mph in Skoda = 1 year in jail and 10year ban!!!!
This is in the Daily Mail today.
Some bloke from Scotland got nicked.
How come they can't dish out sentances like this for repeat car-stealing scum or w@nkers who keep getting banned and have to pay £50 off over 3 years?
As usual, speeding is all that matters, not how or where you are driving:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ooops! Almost forgot the important bit; Octavia 2.6, in case you were wondering.....
Chris_Lacey
14-03-2003, 10:35
You have to be taking the p1ss surely? Prison term for a non joy riding speeding offense?!
Where did he do it, outside a school?!!
He was breaking the law, he got caught and sent down. What's wrong with that?
Did he have a licence/ban/previous convictions ?
Jezz_S13
14-03-2003, 10:45
That's a tad harsh reading it at face value, but there must be circumstances for it to be such a tight punishment surely?
Still sounds a load of bollocks to me.
For a start, you can't do 150mph (speedo reading) unless there's no-one about.
Secondly, I suggest we concentrate on BUILT-UP AREAS and not go for easy-pickings DCs and M/ways........:rolleyes:
'Ere, JB, what's the fastest you (haven't) been?
Chris_Lacey
14-03-2003, 11:12
Well, I haven't been off the clock, because that would be a criminal activity.
If its as it seems (doubtful), it makes me feel sick.
Originally posted by Ripper
'Ere, JB, what's the fastest you (haven't) been?
Not prepared to say in an open forum. Actually I was just trying to see if anybody would say it was a fair and reasonable thing to do to imprison someone for speeding when no accident was involved. Obviously we don't know all the background but my gut reaction to something like this is :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
and :mad:
Originally posted by JB
Not prepared to say in an open forum. Actually I was just trying to see if anybody would say it was a fair and reasonable thing to do to imprison someone for speeding when no accident was involved. Obviously we don't know all the background but my gut reaction to something like this is :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
and :mad:
Agreed;)
Jezz_S13
14-03-2003, 11:26
Originally posted by JB
Not prepared to say in an open forum. Actually I was just trying to see if anybody would say it was a fair and reasonable thing to do to imprison someone for speeding when no accident was involved. Obviously we don't know all the background but my gut reaction to something like this is :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
and :mad:
Phew, you had me a bit worried there JB!!! :eek:
Originally posted by Ripper
For a start, you can't do 150mph (speedo reading) unless there's no-one about.
Yes you can.
But the first time you pass someone in the middle lane doing more or less the speed limit ..... you realise just how stupid and leathal it is ... and is your life and others really worth showing this Evo up.
70mph over the speed limit ...... is dangerouse period
But a jail sentance .......... I think a quick beating a fine and a little ban would be better
Pauly_Boy
14-03-2003, 11:29
Originally posted by Chris_Lacey
Well, I haven't been off the clock, because that would be a criminal activity.
Still struggling with that 50cc moped :)
Chris_Lacey
14-03-2003, 11:31
This is true, people don't use their mirrors, and you can't gamble on them seeing you and reacting quickly enough :(
However, the M5 is awsome, so quiet off peak that it is possible to literally not see any cars for several miles at a time.
Chris_Lacey
14-03-2003, 11:31
Originally posted by Pauly_Boy
Still struggling with that 50cc moped :)
Yup, and the clock stops at 40mph...
Originally posted by Chris_Lacey
This is true, people don't use their mirrors, and you can't gamble on them seeing you and reacting quickly enough :(
However, the M5 is awsome, so quiet off peak that it is possible to literally not see any cars for several miles at a time.
Hence a 'friend' of mine did Central Plymouth to Bristol-ish, including observing 50mph through 3 contraflows, in 52 minutes.
:)
Pauly_Boy
14-03-2003, 11:37
When i said Vega was silly to be doing 90 in a 30 i was flamed good and proper. So much for being mature :rolleyes:
Anyway, it depends on the situation, on the face of it, it appears the judge was seriously pissed off that day, thats far to harsh, i take it was on a motorway!
Anyone see on the BBC last night, some cops on the M1 in yorkshire let a motorcyclist off with a £60 fine and 3 points after being clocked at a average speed og 126mph... they started chasing him at 90 mph! He later said he was doing 170mph when he slowed down :eek:
His excuse... he was thinking of buying the bike off a mate and wanted to test it! The cops were in a layby when the bike first went past, there reactions were like :eek: :eek: :mad: :eek: Whhooooooaa.... lets chase him :D :D:cool:
I'd love to do that :)
Pauly_Boy
14-03-2003, 11:39
Originally posted by Ripper
Hence a 'friend' of mine did Central Plymouth to Bristol-ish, including observing 50mph through 3 contraflows, in 52 minutes.
:)
For those of use that come from the big smoke :p how far is that???
Originally posted by Johnny
Yes you can.
But the first time you pass someone in the middle lane doing more or less the speed limit ..... you realise just how stupid and leathal it is ... and is your life and others really worth showing this Evo up.
70mph over the speed limit ...... is dangerouse period
But a jail sentance .......... I think a quick beating a fine and a little ban would be better
I've done quite a bit of driving in Germany on their unrestricted sections of Autobahn and in Italy (where the cops let you off if you bung em a few quid) and have to agree that overtaking a car doing 70/80mph when you're doing 130+ is quite a sobering experience. Makes you start looking ahead and wondering whether the car in the middle lane has seen you and appreciate the braking distances required to avoid what would be a massive and fatal accident for all concerned.
However, there is a world of difference between that and finding youself on an empty stretch of motorway and wanting to explore your cars potential.
We don't know what circumstances this Skoda was caught in or the reaction given to the plod that pulled him over by the driver. Was he even done for speeding or was he done for due car/dangerous driving?
If it was for speeding on an empty stretch of mway then no way should they even consider jailing him. If the mway had many cars on it then you've got to look at the possiblility that he was driving dangerously, in which case taking him off our roads is not a bad thing.
I suspect this case has much more to it than meets the eye and requires looking way beyone the Daily Mail headline, which will have been designed to fuel everyone's anger anyway.
Chris_Lacey
14-03-2003, 11:43
Errm, about 100 miles or so.
Taunton to Bristol is 40 and Taunton is maybe 60 from Plymouth.
However... I have made Barnstaple to Colchester North in 3 hours 5 minutes... Which is 303 miles.
me and my mate recon its possible to do the following and we might intend on doing it.
cambridge to newquay
newquay to somewhere far up in scotland
somewhere in scotland to cambridge
we recon that'll be around 2000 miles
at an AVERAGE speed of the entire journy of 70mph you could theoretically do it in 28.57 hours.
is anyone up for trying it??
not only that we are trying to find out the perimiter of britain mainland by 'A' roads and guestimate how long it will take to do that.
i think that the sentence on that 140 is well over the top.
altho you could look at it this way, a car is a weapon it will do as much damage if not more traveling at 100 mph as a gun in the hands of idiot.
i look at both side but still don't agree with that sence perhaps 50 hours comunity service & £2k fine and 1 year ban.
Pauly_Boy
14-03-2003, 11:51
I've made london to cyprus in 4 hours!!
Tell ya what, my feet never touched the ground :rolleyes: :D
M4/M5 junction to Plymouth is 125 miles.
52 mins :eek: What time of the day? I used to travel to Bristol and back a lot, as I worked in Bristol but lived down this way. You would need to be touching 150+ in places to do that time.
It doesnt really come down to the capability of the car, or how good a driver you are ......... if you are traveling at 70mph above the speed limit, you have to contend with the possibility of coming into contact with a car doing the correct speed limit.
Imagine ... 2 am in the morning, your driving down the M4 at dead on 70 mph, and you come across a bmw 318i parked with its lights on in the middle lane :eek: :eek: :eek:
you see the car a distance off ..... seconds later you are in a position where you cannot brake intime to avoid hitting it.
Driving at that speed on national roads is plain and simple ... a dangerous risk. .............. unfortunately its fun :rolleyes:
Chris_Lacey
14-03-2003, 11:55
Depends whether he was going to Avonmouth or the M4, it is about 20 miles different.
52 minutes is still silly. But the M5 is stupidly quick...
out of interest guys ............... what punishment would you give out to parked BMW (lights on) on the inside lane (not hard shoulder) of a motorway at 2 am in morning ................ The motorway is pretty deserted at that time ????
Admitadly you would not be expecting it .. where as you might be looking harder at 150mph .... but if you were all safe drivers you would be paying attention to other vehicles ???????
well if the car has broken down in middle lane dnowt you can do about it unless its something thats like, "the car must be road worthy,i.e. be able to pass mot" so if the BMW had broken down due to poor or lack of essential maintenance that isassumed the driver will do, i.e. oil top ups if necessary that sort of thing. you are responsible for keeping your car in a good state of repair for the road safety or yourself and other road users.
e.g.
so his head gasket blew maybe and possibly due to oils run out (?) his fault blatantly
but if you do break down in the middles of the road you need to make everyeffort of getting it to road side without putting your self or others in further jeopody i.e. getting out tof the car on the motorway in middle of road to push it to the side. so if its not going to move you stay in your car in middle of road with hazards on. and ifs due to lack of maintenance then is mr beemers fault if not then it will be BMW manufacutrr fault and they'll tell the driver driver doing xxxmph shouldn't be and be driving more carefully.
nah the driver, just thought he would park up, inside lane and go for a piss in the woods .... he didnt think it would cause a problem as it was 2am and the motorways were empty ....... if it makes any difference to your opinion, lets say he was in a 200sx instead.
After all, it wasnt a fault with the car that made the guy drive at 140mph ....... ok possibiliy of stuck accelerator pedal and he couldnt turn the engine off :rolleyes:
something like that amount anyway.Thats how much it will cost you as a taxpayer to keep a man in prison.Community service(making nice flat roads would be good)would be a better option.
What a damn good idea
You speed ........ you fill in pot holes
The rate the police go, we would have the most awsome road network in the world
Originally posted by AndyT
M4/M5 junction to Plymouth is 125 miles.
52 mins :eek: What time of the day? I used to travel to Bristol and back a lot, as I worked in Bristol but lived down this way. You would need to be touching 150+ in places to do that time.
It was to the W-s-Mare Jn and, even allowing for the 3x Contraflows AT THE SPEED LIMIT (Ripper puts on halo;) ) we calculated an average of 116.3.
This was from 5.30 - 6.30ish. There was NO-ONE on the road. And I mean EMPTY.
However, we did, at one stage, have 3 cars with us doing upper 130s for 30-40miles (really!): Passat turbo thingy, some Audi and a guy in a Honda VTi Estate jobby who was with us for 60 miles!!!
He couldn't keep up on acceleration and was buggered on anything above about 138 on the clock but we kept him in touch and he was a top bloke! Max speedo reading was 150 but that was just for the sake of it, really.
Even got the thumbs up when we came off at the same Junction:D
Oh, and I'd just like to quote, for the record (and in case any ocifers of the law are reading this), that the driver's name was.......well I'd never met him before so I can't remember.:p
But it wasn't me.
Really.
No, I mean it.
:)
Steve(S14a)
14-03-2003, 13:22
Speeding alone can't carry a custodial sentence. They would of had to do him for dangerous driving too.
Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
Speeding alone can't carry a custodial sentence. They would of had to do him for dangerous driving too.
He could have pleaded guilty to any of the following and got off:
Burglary
Multiple Burglary:rolleyes:
Assault
Beating up an old lady
Repeated menace to the local community
Car theft
Multiple car theft
Car crime in general (on umpteen occasions)
Any car crime with more than 50 convictions:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Squatting
Repeated vandalism
Terrorist offences
No licence, MOT, Tax etc. Preferably on at least 10 occasions
Being the Chief Constable of Sussex
Being Jack Straw's driver
Escaping a 'perceived threat'
Knowing the Prime Minister or his wife
Claiming to have a flat for sale - going cheap.
PS I would just like to say that the law is fair and balanced. Unless you know someone or can't pay the fine......
The actual story:
From the Scotsman.
POLICE who clocked a car doing more than 140mph on a motorway were stunned to find that it was a Skoda.
And the Czech car-maker is now warning drivers the motor is no longer a laughing stock and must be handled with care.
Glaswegian Fraser Garden borrowed the 2.6ltr Octavia model from Wildings garage in Kendal, Cumbria, and was spotted by police on the M6, near Penrith, in January .
Garden, 31, outpaced the police, doing 146mph - more than double the speed limit, but Carlisle Crown Court heard that he then had a change of heart and pulled over .
Defence counsel Malcolm Dutchman-Smith told the court: "I wasn’t aware that Skodas could travel at that speed.
"We will have to see them in a different light in the future."
Skoda dealer Alex Lawrie, of Liverpool, confirmed that Skodas - now a Volkswagen subsidiary - are vastly improved.
He said: "I think the old Skoda image is a real myth."
Garden was charged with dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and failing to provide a blood sample after being arrested in the £15,100 car.
He received a ten-year driving ban and was jailed for a total of 12 months.
Garden was already under a life-time ban from Dundee Crown Court after stealing a car in 1992.
Ah, that puts a different light on things, then.......:o
Burn the f*cker, that's what I say!
ScoobyDoo
14-03-2003, 13:35
140mph = 1year in jail?????? :mad:
How come 127mph gets you £350 fine and 30 day ban? here (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30500-12156713,00.html)
and 137mph gets you 1 year ban and 100 hours community service here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2383275.stm)
and finally 60 in a 40mph zone - and you get off free (must be HRH) here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2143714.stm)
Just my observations from the press, no opinion implied ;)
ScoobyDoo
14-03-2003, 13:37
Sorry hadnt seen the post about banned for life, failure to produce blood sample etc.....
Sounds fairer to me now :o
Originally posted by ScoobyDoo
140mph = 1year in jail?????? :mad:
He was charged with dangerous driving, driving while disqualified and failing to provide a blood sample after being arrested in the £15,100 car.
And he was already under a lifetime ban.
Sorry but I think he got of lightly. He's the sort of shit that give us lot who like driving a bad name.
Originally posted by JB
Sorry but I think he got of lightly. He's the sort of shit that give us lot who drive like f*ck a bad name :D :D :D
He was obviously a theiving w@nker and deserves all he gets!
Cheeky Bastard!
Martin T
14-03-2003, 16:35
Finally, a criminal got sent to jail rather than given some money and sympathy and a free house.
For anyone who thinks excessive speed on the public road is safe, or clever;
http://www.300zx.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17250
That's the results of, I'm told, a forum member doing something they shouldn't...
[edited coz I don't want to be the cause of someone being prosecuted]
Luckily, nobody was hurt - very very bl**dy lucky, if you ask me.
(And sorry, to the parties involved in said thread, but, doing those kinds of speeds pi**es the hell out of me)
dunk300zxtt
14-03-2003, 17:26
Only an idiot would drive at those speeds on a road. A race track is different. Lives could have been lost.
Hugs and kisses
Wendy
Did anyone else notice?
They gave him a ten year ban.................. but he already had a lifetime ban, wtf is the point in that.
Oh well another f@ckwit weegie to give the rest of us a bad name:( :( :(
Originally posted by JB
failing to provide a blood sample after being arrested
Oh I wonder why
This guy was pissed out of his brains :mad: :mad: :mad:
what a complete Cnut.
Hangin's to good for him.
Originally posted by caleini_400
Hangin's to good for him.
Waste of robe :mad:
David_S14
15-03-2003, 10:28
Originally posted by JB
Waste of robe :mad:
Yer, they should hang him naked :p :D :D
Originally posted by David_S14
Yer, they should hang him naked :p :D :D
LMFAO!!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D
Originally posted by caleini_400
Oh I wonder why
This guy was pissed out of his brains :mad: :mad: :mad:
what a complete Cnut.
Hangin's to good for him.
Nice change of numberplate, Barry.
Though, theoretically, shouldn't it be written like it is on the front of ambulances so the bloke in your way can read it?:p
From Clever Bastard Ripper.:D :D :D :D
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