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Parker
04-04-2008, 14:46
All the best for Sunday guys :thumbs:

You all deserve some sort of medal for the amount of effort you've put into the cars so far :notworthy I've struggled to motivate myself to get my car MOT-worthy, let alone competative at anything :wack:

:sxoc::sxoc::sxoc:

SteveCarter200
04-04-2008, 18:09
:sniff: No good luck wishes for the SXOC EDC chaps? :sniff:

Rich_M
04-04-2008, 18:15
Good luck to all representing the :sxoc: this weekend/season:nod:

Rich:thumbs:

#1 Adam
04-04-2008, 18:16
Kick ass boys!

Parker
04-04-2008, 18:29
:sniff: No good luck wishes for the SXOC EDC chaps? :sniff:

Where's the thread showing all your effort :p ;) Hope you boys do some good skids or something :thumbs:

OniOne
05-04-2008, 17:48
Good luck guys!:thumbs:Tear up the tarmac and bring it home.:sxoc:

StokeNutter
05-04-2008, 17:48
Kick some ass woo woo.

Ken
05-04-2008, 18:10
Good luck guys:thumbs:

kam
05-04-2008, 18:53
Good luck guys, make us proud!! Give the SX's a good name :thumbs:

JC
05-04-2008, 18:54
Good luck guys - go SXOC! :thumbs: :sxoc:

Clouder_sx
05-04-2008, 20:21
Good luck :)

Isnt it going to be AWFUL weather tomorrow?

I'm meant to be going, but im unsure its wise if its likely to snow :(

Petrol
05-04-2008, 22:11
Good luck :thumbs:

FIGJAM
05-04-2008, 22:14
Good luck boys

Martin...
05-04-2008, 22:17
Good luck for tomorrow!

Wish i was going....

SteveCarter200
06-04-2008, 00:56
Good luck :)

Isnt it going to be AWFUL weather tomorrow?

I'm meant to be going, but im unsure its wise if its likely to snow :(

Yes, it was. Bloody freezing, windy, heavy rain and hail. Awesome.:indiff:

The track was a nightmare, dryish for the practice and then wet for the qualifying. It was soooo slippery, if you touched the rumble strip on entry the car span immediately, everyone had problems. I couldnt get to grips with it and failed miserably to qualify. The car is still in one piece though, so thats a nice change.:D Also found out that my new Exedy clutch tends to slip when abused in 3rd gear. Arse.:annoyed: Any clutch recommendations for a 300ftlb CA which is used pretty hard?

Big ups to Kieran who, after the 6 seeded drivers, qualified 4th I believe. He did very well in the qualifying, noticeably better than many of the other drivers but went out in the top 16 runs but I cant remember who against.

Commiserations to Gary of APT who bent his Evo quite badly on the TA sessions. He seemed ok about it this afternoon but I suspect a few beers will be have been had by now to drown his sorrows.:(

Parker... http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=338828 and http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=341650 :p

Colwell
06-04-2008, 07:22
That sucks Steve, i could'nt make it in teh end im afraid i didnt have any way of getting there:(

Bad news about Gary in teh Evo though:(

ZXSpectrum
06-04-2008, 10:25
Oh dear... Pretty heavy snow in Derby... Looks like its mostly melted tho but not sure what it will be like on track... :(

Spesh
06-04-2008, 11:35
Any TV coverage this year?

Jon
06-04-2008, 12:20
Any TV coverage this year?

Time Attack - Rd1 at Donington
Motors TV (Sky 413) 8.30pm April 25th, and repeated most days for a week afterwards.

Parker
06-04-2008, 14:03
:wave: @ Steve :D

Bugger about Gary's EVO mind :(

Jez
06-04-2008, 14:37
Commiserations to Gary of APT who bent his Evo quite badly on the TA sessions.

:( He must be gutted.

Hope everyone else is getting on ok. Weather here (Newbury) is really nice at the moment - hope its the same at Donny :)

Martin...
06-04-2008, 14:45
Bad news about the evo :(

One of the many risks tho'... Still a shame to hear about a car getting wrapped.

danny-mac
06-04-2008, 19:02
Any news yet on how they got on?

ZXSpectrum
06-04-2008, 20:19
I have heard a Green S14a went into a wall but dont know any details... :(

AntS13
06-04-2008, 20:25
http://www.tsl-timing.com/attack/2008/81470.pdf

Found this posted on another website,

couldnt see any mention of SM thou ?

Carl_S13
06-04-2008, 20:38
Not exactly sure of the details but Kev had spark problems :(

AntS13
06-04-2008, 20:39
ah feck, :(

Jez
06-04-2008, 20:46
'kin hell - theres some impressive times there.

I won club in 2006 with a 1m19s lap, they're now doing 1m18s in club and 1m12s in pro!!

Math
06-04-2008, 20:51
guessing it went something like: sun....rain......sun.....rain? times seem up and down and people changing all over the place!? the sxoc people seem to have done very well!

AntS13
06-04-2008, 20:55
Did bren swap cars or is there a feck up on the timing sheets ?

It says he started in the impreza but finished in the skyline ?

Clouder_sx
06-04-2008, 21:34
I think something went wrong with brens car.

Norris had issues with his evo 9 at the end (blew up i think)

RC developments EVO blew up.

And the weather was very much sunny-sleet-sunny-sleet - very strange!

Bad news about the evo :(

base-1
06-04-2008, 21:37
Any clutch recommendations for a 300ftlb CA which is used pretty hard?

I run an RPS max puck job, 290lb when it works and I'm not terribly kind to it, although haven't tracked it yet. It's on a DW chromoly flywheel and good as gold :)

Damo
06-04-2008, 22:03
its was very good fun :D

Clouder_sx
06-04-2008, 22:09
its was very good fun :D

U did well :nod: was flying around!

SteA
06-04-2008, 22:11
In Petes first session he did a 1:22.2 :notworthy 1 second in front of the best time for a GT3RS amongst others :D Sadly, the second session whipped by with him managing a respectable 1:23 but not bettering his initial time. Excellent for a first time out, he was really struggling to get some heat into the tyres in the conditions and with only 8 laps or so that were paused due to stoppage.

Yaks best time of 1:24 odd came in the second session, which was awesome considering he was using his standard engine and turbo from last year :eek::notworthy

Kev sadly could get a spark :(

Bren got a 1:21 last I heard in the skyline after his scooby killed its big ends, he may have bettered that, but I doubt it, as it was really snowing when I had to leave :wack:

Excellent day and :notworthy to everyone who competed and put there cars together :sxoc:

marty_t3
07-04-2008, 00:37
In Petes first session he did a 1:22.2 :notworthy 1 second in front of the best time for a GT3RS amongst others :D Sadly, the second session whipped by with him managing a respectable 1:23 but not bettering his initial time. Excellent for a first time out, he was really struggling to get some heat into the tyres in the conditions and with only 8 laps or so that were paused due to stoppage.

Yaks best time of 1:24 odd came in the second session, which was awesome considering he was using his standard engine and turbo from last year :eek::notworthy

Kev sadly couldn't get a spark :(

Bren got a 1:21 last I heard in the skyline after his scooby killed its big ends, he may have bettered that, but I doubt it, as it was really snowing when I had to leave :wack:

Excellent day and :notworthy to everyone who competed and put there cars together :sxoc:

Thats pretty much spot on.

The crashed 200 was Thomas Farnham's green RC sponsored S14a. Smacked the front end pretty hard but afaik he walked away from it without injury. I didn't get a good look at the car but at a glance it was looking like a reshell job :(

Bren didn't better his time but considering it was a drenched track he was on i'm not surprised. He was wheelspinning past the start finish line on every lap at some rediculous speeds :eek: :notworthy

Big :thumbs: to Pete and Damo for some fine efforts for their first time out.

Yak was over a second and a half faster than last year just with changes to the brakes, gearbox and suspension arms (but still running his 240hp engine from last year). I just watched the video of his fastest laps and i could swear i saw some agression in there too :eek:

Sideways Danny
07-04-2008, 00:41
any pics of garys damage? :(

marty_t3
07-04-2008, 00:48
I don't have any pics but it looks like bent arms and coilover on the nearside front, mashed nearside front wing, mashed front bumper/bonnet/lights and some minor damage to the rear offside quarter from when the car swung back into the barrier.

Yak
07-04-2008, 04:11
Home at last. Dam its beena hard 6 weeks or so getting the car prepped. Thanks marty for your help today and all those hours in your garage!


I just watched the video of his fastest laps and i could swear i saw some agression in there too :eek:

:cool: ... though Ive got to wait till i can get over there watch my own vids :cry: :wack: lol

Damo
07-04-2008, 07:02
yeah i was gutted for gary hope he gets it all sorted....

pete and yak did well was a shame about kev and the spark problems

i finished 37th overall out of 44 drivers

To be in the top 20 drivers for the super battle you had to be doing a 1:22.638 my best was 1:26.383 with the fastest driver in club class doing a 1:18.286.

The super battle,

Snow/rain/hail which made it hard for the people in Rwd the 3rd qualified in club class finished 19th! (TVR Tuscan) overall due to the weather with the top 10 cars in club class were all 4wd apart from the Honda Integra DC5.

im happy with my time to say its my 1st time out competing and with running at 1.4bar no alignment and lost of weather changers etc i dont think we did too bad at all.

hope to do a lot better at knockhill with (touchwood) a fully finished car airo mods and new engine fitted and fully maped as with everyone elss i hope we all do well :SXOC:

i need to say a big thanks to all thos that help me out over the weekend and also in the prep of my car coming upto the 1st race

Jeffers_S13
07-04-2008, 09:33
Weather was a pain, was bitterly cold one minute with hail and rain, then sunny and warm the next.

I saw Gary pull in after his prang, he got out with a smirk on his face !

rocket
07-04-2008, 09:49
Went down on Sunday got there late but in time to see some nice driving by all the sx boys

saw the bright green RC developments EVO go off the track and catch fire ... commentators said he down shifted and over reved the car then bang ... which left Loads of oil at redgate which is never good .
the weather was very ermmm rubbish which can not have helped when trying to set up new cars or get them set up correctly but i thought you all did great .
also could not believe how quite bren's skyline is with the v8 in was expecting this almighty roar ..

got a couple of photos not very good
only one i have uploaded


Damo (http://images.onesite.com/rocket.onesite.com/large/cimg0647.jpg)

Scottie
07-04-2008, 10:50
Really nice to see the Apex cars (and Damo) out on track. Yellow is certainly a great colour for getting noticed, it was easy to spot the cars everywhere and got the commentators talking. :nod:

Bren's V8 sounds as good as I hoped, am looking forward to seeing this on a dry Knockhill very much. A good show. :nod:

Young Ted was asking me questions about V8's for most for the way home LOL! :D It cheered him up after he was terrified by the Stig, it seems Stig makes the little ones cry as he's quite initimidating to them!!

Jeffers_S13
07-04-2008, 11:15
I think its flat plane so doesnt produce the more usual V8 grumble.

piman2k
07-04-2008, 11:29
I missed most of it but caught the last session on Sunday. Damn!

Congrats to all out there though, must hav ebeen mental.

Was something up with the GBH Motorsport S14?

PGD
07-04-2008, 11:31
Good to see the Apex boys, looking very professional too I might add! The V8 certainly gets ALOT of attention through the crowd, as everyone says it sounds great on track, even better in the pit garage :nod:

SM
07-04-2008, 11:45
Cheers Guys.

Gutted not to even start, been so much effort and so little sleep over the last weeks, got an MOT at 4pm on Sat and then it started missing, running on 3 and fouling plugs. Changed plugs and lost spark on all cylinders :(

Wanted : S13 igniter pack :( maybe

Well done to Bren, Yak, Pete and Damo :thumbs:

and to Kieran for qualifying 4th.

We woke up to a little snow ...

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=53587&stc=1&d=1207565077

rocket
07-04-2008, 11:47
The V8 certainly gets ALOT of attention through the crowd, as everyone says it sounds great on track, even better in the pit garage :nod:

Maybe i was standing to near the speakers all that loud banging from the cars at the show may have damaged my little ears ( or maybe im getting old:( )

Mr OCD
07-04-2008, 11:54
Well done to all you Guys... especially the DCMS team ... I have seen the car go from a stripped out wreck two weeks ago to being fully prepared for Time Attack as of last Friday - RESPECT :)

Bad luck Kev :(

Hashiriya
07-04-2008, 12:17
saw the bright green RC developments EVO go off the track and catch fire ... commentators said he down shifted and over reved the car then bang ... which left Loads of oil at redgate which is never good .

We said that might be the possibe cause for the incident. Having spoken to Jamie Stanley afterwards it did happen as he downshifted under braking but claims the car did not over rev. I did announce that also, but maybe you didnt hear that bit :)

PGD
07-04-2008, 13:48
Put a few images up of the guys/event for you all to see here (http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=345771) :thumbs:

SteA
07-04-2008, 13:54
Was something up with the GBH Motorsport S14?

I had a chat to them and this was their first real event in a 200, I think the driver wanted to be in club class due to limited experience.... they were also apparently doing some running in, so they may have been taking it easy :)

A lot of attention to detail on that car in the flesh :nod:

Yak
07-04-2008, 14:02
so they may have been taking it easy :)

I hope so for their sakes as I was substantially faster than them! :eek:

May have a sneaky peek at their car and steel some of their aero ideas ;)

Scottie
07-04-2008, 14:17
May have a sneaky peek at their car and steel some of their aero parts ;)

;) Will save you money.

bren
07-04-2008, 16:20
Firstly, well done to Yak, superb effort and result considering the power hes running :notworthy

Secondly, comisserations to Gary, poor bastid. I know how much effort hes put into that car and its a complete bytch to see it damaged, I know he doesnt need the extra expense and workload :( Chin up fella :)

We were completing the Skyline at 10 to 9 on Sat morning whilst Tim was putting his helmet on ready to go for practice for EDC. And when I say mean finishing, I dont mean checking the oil and cleaning the screen, I mean finishing the actual build so stuff like tightening the remaining roll cage bolts, screwing on the boot retaining springs, fitting the EDC stickers etc :eek:

Not suprisingly it didnt go too well with a couple of minor niggles causing huge headaches. Basically we got no where on Sat in the drifting.

I started out in Time Attack in the Impreza on Sunday morning and was doing well for a few mins mins at which point a big end failed so called game over :rolleyes: Still, I managed to get to place 11th out of 44 despite having virtually standard power and little time to get up to speed :)

SM had kindly picked up a new throttle cable on Sat (one fo the minor niggles was the outer casing of the original cable melting) so we swapped my TA entry to the Skyline and set to sorting the little niggles from Sat.

The Skyline is VERY low and so the rear toe arms point upwards at a steep angle from the subframe to the hubs. This would appear to be the cause of massive instability at the rear end fo the car. As the shell rolls on corner turn in and on corner exit. The angled arms cause toe out of the outside wheel and toe in on the inside wheel leading to rear wheel steer resulting in rediculous oversteer, instability and unpredictability.

The effect of the instability was:

1) That for the first time ever in any car at any point on any track in any conditions I was actively bricking it at points, convinced that I was about to be spat into a wall by Christine reorn into an r33 shell.

2) I found it very difficult to place the car acturately as it moved around so much so my lines were eratic and it took me time to be able to start using the kerbs effectively.

We are going to make new pick up points for the rear toe arms this week to eradicate the problem.

We also had running issues with massive overfueling at low speeds, engine flooding, engine starting problems, cutting out etc which we now think is due to our custom airbox lid. The new lid is flat giving us some clearance compared to the original which is domed. We needed the clearance for the bonnet to shut. However Ken, the engine builder, is certain that this is restricting air flow to the carb effectively introducing a perminant choke effect to the carb hence all the running problems. We need to swap back to the original lid.

On top of that we had oil temp problems. We thought there maybe issues but didnt want to fit a cooler until we had done some testing. We will now fit a cooler as its evident we need one.

The probs above meant that instead of the 50+ test laps youd expect to have run in the 1st 40 mins warm up, 40 min practice and 20 min qualifying were reduced to just 11. I got just 11 laps to get up to speed! :eek: Still did a 1.21 and qualified 13th though, easily good enough to get through to the final :)

Sadly is snowed LOADS just before the final. I just couldnt get any power down. The car would spin in 3rd and 4th without thinking about it. In an attempt to try to get some traction I actually ended up doing some laps completely in 5th, just dropping to 4the for the hairpin :eek: :D Ive some vids, Ill stick them up.

We will have the little stuff sorted next week at which point the car should be an absolute weapon for both EDC and TA, as long as it doesnt rain!

On a last note, Ken tells me that the restriction the custom air box lid is causing will have reduced power. By 30-40. "30-40bhp" I asked? "No", said Ken, "30-40 percent" :eek: :eek: Holy feck, thats 150+bhp!!!!!!! And the cars already a fair rocket ship!!!! :D If it was anyone else that had told me that Id have dismissed it as massive exageration but Kens as straight as they come, what he says goes. Im going to try it with the original air filter lid up and down the M606 tommorrow :thumbs:

Smiley
07-04-2008, 16:29
Sorry to ask guys but how do you afford to do this, is it just a case of get as many sponsors as poss
I would love to try something like this with my s13 but the cost scares me
Well done to everyone aswell keep up the good work.

bren
07-04-2008, 16:49
Youll struggle for sponsers unless you have some proof that youre going to be able to deliver. Apex pays for my cars and sponsers a numbers of guys, SM, Yak, Chris Bradbury, Kerian and Polo amongst others and KSport sponsers a number of vehicles including Zens Impreza and Kevin Atkins Evo but we wouldnt touch someone with zero history :no: Zen won TA Pro last year and Kevin won TA Club.

Even if you do find sponsership youre only going to get discounted parts, its only the very very lucky guys who get anything for free.

Youre going to have to dig deep into your pockets if you want to be competitive Im afraid. On the other hand you can build a car that is eligible for TA for little money, just dont expect to win. But then winning isnt everything, Ive no real chance of winning TA this year as I can keep using the Skyline on dates when TA and EDC clash, Ill have to run the Impreza or the S14 if its finished. If Im in the Impreza then Ive no realistic chance of getting in the top 15, ;et alone winning :no: No unless it rains and/or snnows at event event :wack: :D Its just a bit of fun :)

Fake Ben Taylor
07-04-2008, 16:52
Sorry to ask guys but how do you afford to do this, is it just a case of get as many sponsors as poss
I would love to try something like this with my s13 but the cost scares me
Well done to everyone aswell keep up the good work.

my cars being built with zero sponsorship input, but thats why its been off the road for so long :( :(

will be a strong contender next year though :cool:

edit: thats not to say i wuldnt like sponsorship, just never really plucked up the courage to ask anyone

Smiley
07-04-2008, 17:01
cheers for the info guys
looks like build it to the budget you can afford and see how you do.

Yak
07-04-2008, 17:03
Yeah it is amazingly expensive. With the amount of money I have ploughed into my S13 this year I have basically kissed good bye to buying a house before I am 40 (if ever going by current house prices) and with a very real risk of going bankrupt!

Thats with sponsorship from Apex and I know Ive no chance of actually winning :wack:

But you have to make a choice:

Buy a house :sleep:
or
Compete in motor sport :D

bren
07-04-2008, 17:13
cheers for the info guys
looks like build it to the budget you can afford and see how you do.

Exactly :nod:

Pro TA is now being entered by borderline full on race teams. Some of the guys have direct physical (as in they are there before and during the event helping set the cars up) support from the likes of Teins technical director, Motec technical guys etc and are building cars that are just way beyond what 98% of the current entrants are capable of matching. Come next year I see a lot of Pro boys dropping down to Club which will raise the bar in Club by a very significant level leading to virtually all current Club lads having zero chance of winning unless they pump huge chunks of money into their cars over winter.

But hey, its a bit of fun :)

Fake Ben Taylor
07-04-2008, 17:34
Exactly :nod:

Pro TA is now being entered by borderline full on race teams. Some of the guys have direct physical (as in they are there before and during the event helping set the cars up) support from the likes of Teins technical director, Motec technical guys etc and are building cars that are just way beyond what 98% of the current entrants are capable of matching. Come next year I see a lot of Pro boys dropping down to Club which will raise the bar in Club by a very significant level leading to virtually all current Club lads having zero chance of winning unless they pump huge chunks of money into their cars over winter.

But hey, its a bit of fun :)

that will ruin TA for me....the club class is supposed to be just that...club

maybe in a few seasons have two seperate time attacks.....club and pro. that way more can enter and the two individual events can be further sub categorised :)

Smiley
07-04-2008, 17:44
think im definatly going to have to come watch you guys
if its this much fun i may give it a go

bren
07-04-2008, 18:05
Gary mentioned running in club after seeing some of the top top cars. If he entered Club then hed have been right at the top. His Evo is an absolute beast. Its just increadibly difficult to compete with the likes of Tein and Roger Clark Motorsport.

We are doing our bit though and are helping Zen out every way we can :)

I already know that our S14 has zero chance of winning Pro, to me it will be a top running Club car and no more.

Yak
07-04-2008, 18:34
Yeah it is one of the things they have not addressed this year unfortunately is to differentiate between club and pro better so the people that should be in pro are in pro and not club. Rather than competing in club because it is easier to win.

Jez
07-04-2008, 18:41
The pro teams are really pro now. Theres no way I'd ever be competitive in Pro, but going into club wouldn't really be right as making cars go quicker is my job.

I think it'll be difficult to split club and pro in a way to please every one. Quite dificult to define I guess.

Yak
07-04-2008, 18:55
Yeah but it must be wrong at the mo.
There are too many club people and not enough Pro people to fill the spaces.
That and if I was in pro looking at the qualifying times and who ran in the final I would have qualified where as i didnt in club :wack:

Sideways Danny
07-04-2008, 19:01
needs 3 classes if you ask me, one for big company backed cars like HKS, TEIN etc, one for highly sponsored or small company run cars like the apex and H-dev cars and another for independents

bren
07-04-2008, 19:44
needs 3 classes if you ask me, one for big company backed cars like HKS, TEIN etc, one for highly sponsored or small company run cars like the apex and H-dev cars and another for independents

Yep, Club, Tuner and Pro.

Ill be ok, our Skylines N/A so once we iron out its problems it will be very competitive in class purely because theres virtually no one else in it! :D

bessell
07-04-2008, 19:44
gutted to here about the evo it will stick in my mind as it blasted past us as though it was being towed by the space shuttle awsome 750bhp sounds a lot but seeing it in action is somthing else all together

AntS13
07-04-2008, 19:53
the good news is that the repairs have already started on the evo, so hopefully it'll be back sooner rather than later. :)

And knowing Gary he'll tweak it some more :)

Jez
07-04-2008, 20:04
I was in pro looking at the qualifying times and who ran in the final I would have qualified where as i didnt in club :wack:

Good point :wack:

bren
07-04-2008, 20:35
Video - Apex KSport V8 Skyline in dry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCGnnrto2q0)

Video- Apex KSPort V8 Skyline in wet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPR7kawItNA)

Silly wheelspin in the wet.

Damo
07-04-2008, 20:40
yeah very good point,


Yeah it is amazingly expensive. With the amount of money I have ploughed into my S13 this year I have basically kissed good bye to buying a house before I am 40 (if ever going by current house prices) and with a very real risk of going bankrupt!

Thats with sponsorship from Apex and I know Ive no chance of actually winning :wack:

But you have to make a choice:

Buy a house :sleep:
or
Compete in motor sport :D

very ture! with out the help im getting from DBpower i would not even be competing as my budget would never cover the cost get a spec to just try and be competative with the other 200sx never mind any other cars...

will be fun next year for me in TA and getting married / buying house will basicly run the car how it is at the end of this year i think

Noz
07-04-2008, 20:55
cheers for the info guys
looks like build it to the budget you can afford and see how you do.

My sentiments exactly.

The entire purpose of my car is to see how far I can get with a (self-imposed) minimal budget and a large dollop of engineering/research/downright bodgery. There are only a couple of people that help me out who are absolute godsends. Plus the car also has to be road legal & ready to drive at all times, which has its pros & cons. No garage to work in either, outside in the dark, in the rain (or even snow the other night). Woe is me :wack:

Being able to start with a £500 car with a huge amount of of potential plus plentiful 2nd hand & cheap import aftermarket gear is a massive bonus. Only the transmission side of things can be a bit of a pain, but there are ways round this (break a poorly Z32 :cry:)

Dependant on how things progress this year, I'd be disappointed if I wasn't in a position to enter TA 2009, but it's not something I'm focused on primarily, as from what I gather, there are corners involved.

Clouder_sx
07-04-2008, 21:33
Nice vids Bren, any of it Drifting? :)

My biggest annoyance of the whole weekend was not being able to get into the pit area to see the cars in the flesh :( very annoying!

Damo
07-04-2008, 21:57
thats a bummer shame you could not of got hold of one of us im sure we could or sorted it for you oneway or another

800bhp
07-04-2008, 22:06
there are corners involved.

They always put something in to spoil it :thumbs:

Yak
07-04-2008, 22:08
There is also (thankfully) no launching involved :) ... well depending how you use the kerbs :wack:

Math
07-04-2008, 23:49
the good news is that the repairs have already started on the evo, so hopefully it'll be back sooner rather than later. :)

And knowing Gary he'll tweak it some more :)

excellent to hear :)

bren
08-04-2008, 08:31
Nice vids Bren, any of it Drifting? :)

My biggest annoyance of the whole weekend was not being able to get into the pit area to see the cars in the flesh :( very annoying!

No, it didnt manage one run on Sat. The running issues caused by the air filter lid kept causing it to cut out and the battery died in the end meaning that we were farting around bump starting it on the start straight. Then we had issues with the handbrake that was bled again whilst Tim was suiting up just before going out on the first run.

Then the throttle cable outer slieve melted.

Sat was the first test day that we should have done a week before. All the faults that arose were minor and insignificant except that we found them whilst trying to compete, not the ideal time!

It performed well enough on Sun in Time Attack though and its evident thats the cars got huge potential :) We have 6 weeks to iron out the niggles and get the car tested, I dont forsee any issues with it next time out at Knockhill.

Hashiriya
08-04-2008, 09:30
I think the apex/ksport team put in a real good effort despite the problems they were facing. Well done guys.

The class seperation is a little difficult because you couls also argue that the Club NA class is unfair if you were running a clio 172 against say... a V8 6.3 litre engine in a skyline.

Although the day is run as a competition, I don't think that being quickest on the day in class is all that matters. There is so much data out there that you can prove whatever you want to. for e.g. Our car has full interior and a/c stereo but it still goes round in x:xx.xxx time.

Time attack is in it's third year now and the circuits being used are pretty consistant so as a result people will be getting more familiar with the target lap times of various different types of car. Most japanese car enthusiasts know for example that a lap time of under 1 minute at Tsukuba is a really quick car. In a similar fashion you can say that a lap under 1:20 at Donington park is trully a quick car.

The more established the series gets, the less emphasis we all need to put on being the quickest on the day. Some people are still going to be chansing that, but that not what it will be only about.

bren
08-04-2008, 09:54
I aggree, hence me not being upset running the Impreza. It finished 11th in the warm up session, thats a superb bit of promotion for the bits the car is running. Our customers see our low powered fully road equipped car with full interior trim, road spec coilovers, standard engine, standard turbo, standard box etc and yet it was still bloody quick for what it is :)

The Scooby only finished well because of the weather to be fair, it was wet, greasy and slippery in the first session. It wouldnt do so well in the dry. Still well enough to promote products though.

Hashiriya
08-04-2008, 10:22
I aggree, hence me not being upset running the Impreza. It finished 11th in the warm up session, thats a superb bit of promotion for the bits the car is running. Our customers see our low powered fully road equipped car with full interior trim, road spec coilovers, standard engine, standard turbo, standard box etc and yet it was still bloody quick for what it is :)

The Scooby only finished well because of the weather to be fair, it was wet, greasy and slippery in the first session. It wouldnt do so well in the dry. Still well enough to promote products though.

It's good to see that you are being realistic, setting your own personal targets and achieving thm. I think thats the true essence of time attack and why it can apeal to such a broad spectrum of competitors.

Most importantly, it a lot of fun

Dan@DB-Power
08-04-2008, 10:33
Well done to all the guys competing :nod: alot of effort has gone in over the past few months from all of you guys :eek:

Just so I have a better idea on Time Attack, as it's quite new to me, and I'm thinking of entering next year. Has anyone got a breakdown of the costs involved i.e. entrance fees, prices for the toyo tyres etc? Just budgeting ;)

Also what do you get if you come in say the top 5? any prizes or is it just for the glory :D

Dan :thumbs:

p.s. Bren that Skyline sounds the nuts :D V8's :smitten:

Yak
08-04-2008, 10:52
It's good to see that you are being realistic, setting your own personal targets and achieving thm. I think thats the true essence of time attack and why it can apeal to such a broad spectrum of competitors.

Most importantly, it a lot of fun

Aye, last year I was trying to catch SM all the time and having fun compleating with people like Dixon Chang who were very simular in times to me.

Its just a pitty that the points dont extent to the whole field, as it was roumored they would do before the season so we could have points battle with simular speed cars with out lots of unoffical TA points tables...

That a good point, we have not put togeter a SXOC / 200SX table yet!

marty_t3
08-04-2008, 11:14
Aye, last year I was trying to catch SM all the time and having fun compleating with people like Dixon Chang who were very simular in times to me.

Its just a pitty that the points dont extent to the whole field, as it was roumored they would do before the season so we could have points battle with simular speed cars with out lots of unoffical TA points tables...

That a good point, we have not put togeter a SXOC / 200SX table yet!

Completely agree, it'd make the season a lot more fun/competitive if each team were able to compete against each other regardless of where they were in the "official" points. I reckon a RWD table needs to be made up :nod:

edit : even better, a 2WD table.

SM
08-04-2008, 18:04
On costs ..

I remortaged my house this year for Time Attack :wack:

I've been improvong the car year on year, and get help with labour from lots of sources - you need a lot of dedicated mates.
Be it Fran/Bridget and the Gray family lending me a barn, feeding me and whoever is working on the car, bring me brews, and letting me lodge at the farm for free.
Be it Yak and Marty who come up to help.
Damo breaking off from his own car prep to come and fix my wiring.
DCMS for lots of ramp time, use of tools, tyre changing and alignment.
APT for being always helpful on the phone with questions, and fixing my car when I took it broken.
Richard Henry motorsport also muck in ...

and ... think there is somebosy else ...

oh yeah ...

APEX :Plug:

So much from my main sponsors, brakes, wheels, gearbox, use of trailer and tow-car, body kit and paint job, alignment arms .... many many thanks :notworthy
KSport :Plug: PPGearbox :Plug:

SM
08-04-2008, 18:05
On classes.

The more people enter Time Attack the more classes there will be, the people who run it have a nice plan for the coming years.

Watch out for an announcement for something more "club" based that will be happening at Oulton and Snetterton ;)

Damo
08-04-2008, 18:39
yeah the club thing sounds very good,

dan i will drop you a pm with my costs for this year but im in the 8k mark and you know where alot of it has gone

Andyecr33/180sx
08-04-2008, 18:50
Well done to everyone, reading the project threads it's obvious you've all worked long and hard on your cars.

The more classes thing sounds promising. I don't know why there aren't more time attack type events, a BDC level series (if you see what I mean) would be cool and the MLR and Toyota people have their own sprint series so why don't we? Or do we and I just don't know about it?

Damo
08-04-2008, 21:25
I messed up and i came 32nd not 37th :D


yeah i was gutted for gary hope he gets it all sorted....

pete and yak did well was a shame about kev and the spark problems

i finished 37th overall out of 44 drivers

To be in the top 20 drivers for the super battle you had to be doing a 1:22.638 my best was 1:26.383 with the fastest driver in club class doing a 1:18.286.

The super battle,

Snow/rain/hail which made it hard for the people in Rwd the 3rd qualified in club class finished 19th! (TVR Tuscan) overall due to the weather with the top 10 cars in club class were all 4wd apart from the Honda Integra DC5.

im happy with my time to say its my 1st time out competing and with running at 1.4bar no alignment and lost of weather changers etc i dont think we did too bad at all.

hope to do a lot better at knockhill with (touchwood) a fully finished car airo mods and new engine fitted and fully maped as with everyone elss i hope we all do well :SXOC:

i need to say a big thanks to all thos that help me out over the weekend and also in the prep of my car coming upto the 1st race

SM
09-04-2008, 11:02
the MLR and Toyota people have their own sprint series so why don't we? Or do we and I just don't know about it?

Comes down to somebody giving up enough time to organise it and enough people entering it when organised.
There are only a small number of SXOCers doing MSA sprints, if there were more then I'm sure we could sort something :nod: