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SpeedyPete
09-03-2003, 19:17
Just watching on Men and Motors the group A supercars!
This thing has 750bhp, top spee dof over 140mph, and does 0-60 in 1.8 seconds!!!
1.8!!!!!!
incredible.... now see why they banned them!
It was an amazing car. I remember when one of the police forces received a couple- think it was avon and sommerset. I thought at the time no chance of outrunning them down the M4 so always kept to speed limit through bath and bristol. I also remember the Metro 6R4 at the time- they were the days of the super rally cars. Nice:)
it was called group b , remember the 205 t16 or the short Quattro ?
Marky Boy
09-03-2003, 20:23
I was reading about the Audi Quattro grp B cars and their engine development. At the time they banned them Audi had developed a 1000bhp engine. :eek:
Theres a company called Dialynx that make short wheelbase versions out of normal quattro coupes by basicly cutting a section out of the middle of the car. Just how Audi did it. They made a quattro hillclimb car that had 600bhp and could do 0-100 in 6 seconds.
The original rally homolgation short quattros had panel made from kevlar i was reading and that to replace themto day would cost £7000 for a bonnet and £11000 for a wing. :eek: :eek:
audi made the short Quattro by cutting 14 " oit of the wheelbase
apparently it was undrivable on 4 wheels but a real weapon on 3 wheels :eek: :eek:
SpeedyPete
09-03-2003, 21:08
The short-sport was the dogs, evey Audi enthusiast would love to have one...
that mad turbo rally car was pretty mad too! Saw that French rally bird do the up-hill climb in that, boy did it shift
Strange thing is, a modern WRC car could rule them on a rally track.
SpeedyPete
09-03-2003, 21:11
Yeah, NOW they could, but just think where they'd be if they had kept the technology/rules of the old ones! 0-60 in .5 anyone? :p
either that or they'd all be dead :eek:
You wait, they'll ban turbos to slow the cars down soon...
Martin T
09-03-2003, 23:30
Originally posted by andyf
Strange thing is, a modern WRC car could rule them on a rally track.
Probably more than a little to do with the onboard computers doing half the drivers work!
Will Taylor
10-03-2003, 09:57
Originally posted by andyf
Strange thing is, a modern WRC car could rule them on a rally track.
I guess that's like F1 - when they had the really powerful turbo-charged cars, their times were no better than todays less mental but more controlled and technologically advanced cars.
Power is nothing without control?
SpeedyPete
10-03-2003, 09:59
Originally posted by Will Taylor
I guess that's like F1 - when they had the really powerful turbo-charged cars, their times were no better than todays less mental but more controlled and technologically advanced cars.
Power is nothing without control?
And I'd hardly say they newest aren't powerful!
And control that works. When we rely on electronics so much when it goes wrong it REALLY goes wrong :eek:
And he reconned it was as quick as his F1 car!!
Also senna drove a group B car round Jerez,and the time he put in would have qualified him 6th on the grid that year!
Watching a 6r4 round Goodwood last summer,definately want one of those
mickstreet
10-03-2003, 10:17
Originally posted by braz
It was an amazing car. I remember when one of the police forces received a couple- think it was avon and sommerset. I thought at the time no chance of outrunning them down the M4 so always kept to speed limit through bath and bristol. I also remember the Metro 6R4 at the time- they were the days of the super rally cars. Nice:)
Who remembers the 6R4 aswell? I had an MG metro at the time (the shame of it) and just wanted it to be a 6R4!!
I thought the RS200 was just a publicity stunt for the police, never actually used it?? I know one of the forces up here were pictured with an Esprit in police livery, but again it was just for publicity....
The cops here had an EVO 5/6 at the crail RWYB 1.4 mile last year. They were just testing it out on trial. It was doing handy 1/4 mile times, in full police colours and blue lights, LOL.
Some of the boy racers in cossies were beating it though :cool: :D
Will Taylor
10-03-2003, 10:30
Originally posted by P3t3-Th0m
And I'd hardly say they newest aren't powerful!
Quite, 800bhp out of a NA 3 litre is not something to sniff at - but I think the turbo ones were getting around 1000 bhp? Don't quote me on that though...
SpeedyPete
10-03-2003, 10:32
Probably 2 thirds of the weight though :cool:
Will Taylor
10-03-2003, 10:35
If you are talking about the modern ones - exactly, modern materials and all that...
BTW are you the artist formerly known as PugPete?
Originally posted by Will Taylor
I think the turbo ones were getting around 1000 bhp?
I thought they were over 1000bhp from a 1400cc :eek: :eek: WTF!!!
SpeedyPete
10-03-2003, 10:42
Originally posted by Will Taylor
If you are talking about the modern ones - exactly, modern materials and all that...
BTW are you the artist formerly known as PugPete?
the same ;)
Originally posted by mickstreet
I know one of the forces up here were pictured with an Esprit in police livery, but again it was just for publicity....
Not just for publicity.. I saw the damn thing.. on the M1, only useful place for it I think.. :-)
Also, in Eastwood of all places, an all stickered up Police Scooby!:rolleyes: Why?
mickstreet
10-03-2003, 10:54
They used the Scoobys in Notts for a while but then ditched them in favour of the T5's. My mate drives for them and could easily keep up with the Scooby when he was in his trusty Volvo!! Also getting BM 530's aswell now (think they'll be unmarked though)
Back ot the old turboed F1 cars, they were 1500cc, bout 750- 800hp:eek:
But, they had a turbo boost button (yes, like knight rider!!) that when pressed would boost the turbo up to about 5 bar. Yes, 5 bar, or 73psi!!! thats how they would over take, and its also why they would break down!!! mental!!
IIRC ths would give them about 1400hp for a short burst. :cool: :D
SpeedyPete
10-03-2003, 11:17
Bit like us and our nitrous buttons! :p
Will Taylor
10-03-2003, 11:19
I ****ing hate nitrous...
Originally posted by andyf
Strange thing is, a modern WRC car could rule them on a rally track.
I belive club rallying still allows some of the older rally cars, The New Brighton Prom Rally has a good variety of cars, and the 6R4s always seem to win - beating the Scoobs, Evos, Escort Cossies etc, and, one of the scoobs was an ex works car :eek:
Not bad for an ald metro :D
Originally posted by StuyMac
I belive club rallying still allows some of the older rally cars, The New Brighton Prom Rally has a good variety of cars, and the 6R4s always seem to win - beating the Scoobs, Evos, Escort Cossies etc, and, one of the scoobs was an ex works car :eek:
Not bad for an ald metro :D
Tis true, there's sometimes coverage on some of the dodgey sky digi channels. Makes for great watching :cool:
Martin T
10-03-2003, 15:57
The old F1 engines ran on "witches Brew" which was mostly methanol, had a capacity of 1500cc's, and over 1000BHP when they went to NA 3.5 litre engines. Both of the older F1 engines I have seen were 120 degree V6's with surprisingly small Turboes considering they boosted at 2.5 BAR:eek: at over 14000 RPM. One was a Ford lump and the other was a Cosworth GBA:cool: . To think, since then, the redlines have only gone up 4000 RPM!
Some 6R4's for ya taken last year down at New Brighton. The Cossie clip - Pete is just as nuts on the road - he's scared me shitless a few times :D :D
http://www.promrally.bun.com/Videosx.html
Enjoy
SpeedyPete
10-03-2003, 16:16
Originally posted by dunc
Tis true, there's sometimes coverage on some of the dodgey sky digi channels. Makes for great watching :cool:
yeah except I rarely get to watch it, my missus gets bored very quickly!
They actually ran a toluene based fuel and were indeed pushing over 1000bhp in qualifying trim in 83 / 84. The BMW turbo engine was probably the best of the bunch in 83 actually using road car engine blocks. Indeed the engineers found that high mileage block's from road cars actually hung together better at the track. They never figured out why....
In 87 they were limited to 2.5 bar, though in 86 they had a 4 bar limit, set by a FIA control (poppet) valve. Also the reg's were changed to limit the fuel tank capacity, getting smaller year by year. So later turbo GP cars had to be fuel efficient too. The Honda V6 in the McLaran was the one to beat.
Then the FIA banned them altogether :(
And I used to wonder why they went bang so often :D
Cheers
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid48/pa661726084a2a2e358d85f923a650a6f/fcbd5d6a.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid51/pd04cc06d5144ec6d6848221a9a34e1c6/fca65c74.jpg
MMMMMMMMMMMM.......VERY TASTY
saw this at a hillclimb a couple of years back, top bloke who owned it, let me sit in it and blip the throttle:eek:
said it had about 700bhp :cool:
to quote Ivanski 'Indeed the engineers found that high mileage block's from road cars actually hung together better at the track. They never figured out why....'
Watching something the other day on tv and it was said that the stresses have all been worked out of the block.
:)
Ah, I remember the days of Tony Pond in his "Compuserve" 6R4 and Michele Mouton (the French bird as you put it) in the UR and Sport Quattros. Group B was also where Jean Todt made his name as the Peugeot rally sport team manager for the 205 T16 cars. Group B was fantastic and spawned some incredible cars but turned it into something that was too dangerous to have spectators standing 3 feet from the cars as they went past at 150mph! :eek:
http://website.lineone.net/~burndred/6r4.html
A car thats full of oomph... but my god, it's very ugly. Its a Nova drivers dream !! :) I know, i know, rally cars are all about function :D
Martin T
11-03-2003, 00:17
Originally posted by Ivanski
They actually ran a toluene based fuel and were indeed pushing over 1000bhp in qualifying trim in 83 / 84. The BMW turbo engine was probably the best of the bunch in 83 actually using road car engine blocks. Indeed the engineers found that high mileage block's from road cars actually hung together better at the track. They never figured out why....
In 87 they were limited to 2.5 bar, though in 86 they had a 4 bar limit, set by a FIA control (poppet) valve. Also the reg's were changed to limit the fuel tank capacity, getting smaller year by year. So later turbo GP cars had to be fuel efficient too. The Honda V6 in the McLaran was the one to beat.
Then the FIA banned them altogether :(
And I used to wonder why they went bang so often :D
Cheers
4 Bar! No wonder they popped like bubble wrap:eek:
How the fvck did BMW discover that old high mileage blocks were better for reliability? Bit like I wonder who discovered how to milk the first cow:D
The reason MAY be dus to something similar to work hardening.
All of those vibrations going through the engines may well have moved all of the imperfections in the crystals to the grain boundaries, thereby making the engines stronger. However, that is pure specualtion on my part.
Must be the modern ones that run Methanol based fuel then. Makes sense as methanol burns faster.
Marky Boy
11-03-2003, 00:19
yeah. i remember reading somewhere that at portugal was supposed to be the worst for spectators. they had quoted one of the drivers saying that they found a severed finger in between the body and the the bumper.:eek: :eek: thats people just getting to close.
Another car of days gone past that was utterly nuts was the porsche 917. 1100bhp flat twelve. 0-100mph in 3 seconds. And more sacrily 0-200 in under 12. :D :D :D
Chris_Lacey
11-03-2003, 10:52
The 917C rocked, 3 times lemans winner, 248mph top speed and 1100BHP... awsome car. I wish they would turbo todays NA F1 cars.. that would rock!
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