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WOT YOU DOING ON HERE ? YOU SHOULD BE WORKING !
CANT BELIEVE I PAY SO MUCH TAX ETC FOR YOU PEOPLE TO BE WASTING SO MUCH PRECIOUS TIME SURFING THE INTERNET
LAZY WORKSHY GITS THE LOT OF YOU
GET A JOB LIKE MINE YOU SHOULD , FIXING FECKED OLD NISSANS FOR OVERPAID IMMATURE SPOTTY OYKS THAT CANNNT SPEEL
REALLY GETS THE HAIRS ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STANDING UP HOW YOU PEOPLE DO SO LITTLE AND EARN SO MUCH
now lets see how many people reply b4 reading the whole wind up post
7 VIEWS ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jezz_S13
05-03-2003, 10:21
muhahahahahaha
you off sick then?
I've just got back from brekkie. LOL
Originally posted by Jezz_S13
muhahahahahaha
you off sick then?
I've just got back from brekkie. LOL
yeah damaged a ligament thats all , cant put pressure on my foot tho
mrs cooking a big brekkie for me now :D :D
Jezz_S13
05-03-2003, 10:32
Originally posted by Chris
yeah damaged a ligament thats all , cant put pressure on my foot tho
mrs cooking a big brekkie for me now :D :D
Send her to the garage. :)
Originally posted by Jezz_S13
Send her to the garage. :)
she not safe driving a car never mind fixing it , within 200 yards of leaving hospital she almost run a fella down coz he had the cheek to cross the road at a zebra crossing :eek: :eek:
Jezz_S13
05-03-2003, 10:40
LOL :D:D
Nowt wrong with IT bods.
We'd be bored if we didnt have this to play with :D
Eh ? Your TAX dont pay none of the work i do :) Infact, the amount of tax i pay a month I should be the one moaning !! 1300 in tax last month :(
Papa Lazarou
05-03-2003, 15:37
Yeager I would love to pay that much tax on my monthly paycheque :)
Originally posted by Papa Lazarou
Yeager I would love to pay that much tax on my monthly paycheque :)
Ditto.. :(
Chris_Lacey
05-03-2003, 15:45
Behave Papa, that would put you on what 60k + a year, if that's the case, why are you driving an Old Nissan instead of an import S15 or Skyline or whatever?
Originally posted by John_P
Ditto.. :(
Double ditto..
Papa Lazarou
05-03-2003, 15:51
I didn't say I did. :p
You calling my car old now??
Chris_Lacey
05-03-2003, 16:02
I think I mis read your post mate :p
And yup, your car is old, but not as old as mine! :) Mine is now a modern classic :D
Nathan_200sx
05-03-2003, 16:04
Originally posted by Chris
WOT YOU DOING ON HERE ? YOU SHOULD BE WORKING !
CANT BELIEVE I PAY SO MUCH TAX ETC FOR YOU PEOPLE TO BE WASTING SO MUCH PRECIOUS TIME SURFING THE INTERNET
LAZY WORKSHY GITS THE LOT OF YOU
GET A JOB LIKE MINE YOU SHOULD , FIXING FECKED OLD NISSANS FOR OVERPAID IMMATURE SPOTTY OYKS THAT CANNNT SPEEL
REALLY GETS THE HAIRS ON THE BACK OF MY NECK STANDING UP HOW YOU PEOPLE DO SO LITTLE AND EARN SO MUCH
now lets see how many people reply b4 reading the whole wind up post
Thats crap!!! I had to plug a network cable in this morning
Chris_Lacey
05-03-2003, 16:07
You think you have it tough Nathan.. I had to actually run an automated virus update this morning, I'm exhausted.
It was inevitable that too many ppl would go into IT. Initially, many people are needed, but as systems get more efficient, and people's computing skills improve, inevitable job losses ensue. I'm afraid the future will probably be bleak for many IT bods.
Remember IT is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
Chris_Lacey
05-03-2003, 16:19
Really, so you have spent a lot of time working with systems that have multiple tiers and get more complex each year... There are many things that a human can do that a machine can't, IT bods are safe within my lifetime at any rate.
Originally posted by Chris_Lacey
There are many things that a human can do that a machine can't, IT bods are safe within my lifetime at any rate.
But it only takes a few people to develop the ever-more complex systems. Also, problem-shooting and solving has got more simpler due to software developments/experiience and knowledge, and the reduced costs of PC's etc., so if it breaks, just replace the bit - like in cars.
Computers will probably also get more reliable. It's similar to cars- there are fewer garages and mechanics than ever. Cars are cheaper, more reliable, easier to maintain etc.
Also, a lot of time is spent developing crap systems -we have to use them here at work. When they get better, they will require less support and backup.
Also, a lot of stupid company initiatives/systems are being put in place - when ppl realise they are crap, they will be scrapped IMHO. Companies have fallen hook-line & sinker for computers -they think we are slaves to it and froget they are simply a means to an end -when they realise that, the jobs in IT will plummet.
IT bods have a selfish interest in promoting computer use.
Nathan_200sx
05-03-2003, 16:34
Originally posted by Chris_Lacey
You think you have it tough Nathan.. I had to actually run an automated virus update this morning, I'm exhausted.
My hero ;):D
Chris_Lacey
05-03-2003, 16:37
Yes, you clearly don't know what you were talking about.. I wasn't sure at first, but now I am.
Take windows XP...
12 million lines of code, 10,000 programmers working for 2 years to develope it, and that was when they already had a base product with 9 million lines of code.... When something goes t1ts up the happy smiley "user friendly" interface is absolutely no f*cking use whatsoever. With any of the modern OS's, server platforms or database platforms, the easier they appear, they easier they aren't.
Will another IT bod please back me up on this?!!
And as for cars getting simpler, cars have about 80 years of developement on the average PC...
Nathan_200sx
05-03-2003, 16:37
Originally posted by Nelson
IT bods have a selfish interest in promoting computer use.
You'd rather be sat flicking beads on an abacus then? ;):D
AshT_200
05-03-2003, 16:42
I had to drink a cup of coffee this morning.
1300 in tax in a month, equates to around 51K a year.
I wish I paid only 1300k in tax a month? ;)
AshT_200
05-03-2003, 16:46
Originally posted by Nelson
But it only takes a few people to develop the ever-more complex systems. Also, problem-shooting and solving has got more simpler due to software developments/experiience and knowledge, and the reduced costs of PC's etc., so if it breaks, just replace the bit - like in cars.
Computers will probably also get more reliable. It's similar to cars- there are fewer garages and mechanics than ever. Cars are cheaper, more reliable, easier to maintain etc.
You can't just replace a part when software code becomes corrupt, which happens, or human error causes a fault.
Hardware may get more reliable, but as processors become faster and faster, software becomes more unstable.
Originally posted by Nathan_200sx
You'd rather be sat flicking beads on an abacus then? ;):D
No, but everything has limits as to it's use. No-one questions when something takes longer to do via a PC than through normal lines of communication. That defeats the object though - computers should only be used to make things faster, smarter.
As any industry/technology matures, the investment in it must inevitably diminish. Most normal tasks are easily performed by the latest computers, so don't need radically better/new programs. Only niche uses -animation/graphics/video/gaming/sound recording etc. need significantly better programs. I know Microsoft make thing better little by little to maximise profits, but people will increasingly find that they don't need the latest upgrade/program.
Also, aren't we getting near to the minimum size of PCB.
I don't mean to offend ne1, it's just a theory I've had for a while. MY predictions may not come true in the short or even medium term, but I reckon they will at some time. There will probably always be jobs in IT, just increasingly fewer as time goes by.
AshT_200
05-03-2003, 16:48
And if it wasn't for IT Bods, laptops wouldn't have got lighter ;):rolleyes:
Originally posted by Chris_Lacey
Will another IT bod please back me up on this?!!
Yup - I've been doing this for 8 years now, and every year the products get more complicated, more difficult to support, and generally have more bugs (but not our software, of course, just in case the boss is reading.. :D).
More technologies emerge every day, and new technologies are understood by few, at least properly - there will always be a market for people who can impliment, support, and understand the latest technologies - just like there is in cars. Just because cars are super reliable now (mwahaha!), have Ford cut their R&D staff significantly, I wonder?
Yes, the IT marketplace is shafted at the moment - but that is because in hard times, IT is the first place spending gets cut.
Afterall, if you run a company delivering widgets, you can't cut your fuel budget, but you can decide to not spend some money on a new IT product that might make things more efficient.. Of course - you might be able to save more by investing in IT, but managers have never, and will never see it like that.
And yes, there is a difference between a bod who sits on the phone and takes calls from Joe Public about their home PC, and the guys who develop and support industry software and new technologies. However as the new technologies get fancier (and flakier) - those people answering calls from Joe Public get ever more calls..
Right now we're going through a rough patch, but IT will pick up again. That is if we have any computers, or humans, left after WWIII finishes....
I 'should' pay £1300+ a month :D
More like half though :D
And IT being "a means to an end" is a common misconception...
IT is one of the most valuable resources to a company and should not be looked upon as just a tool to do a job.
IT is infact far more critical and is (and rightly should be regarded as) a business strategy.
Its no good having your competitors deploying 'systems X' which cuts down on costs by 50% with your company still using a stoneage system. Whos gonna put who out of business?
If you read any good management and/or strategy book of recent years you will appreciate the importance of IT and IT Strategy within any company, and indeed in the market place.
The continuel strive to implement a system/systems to make yourcompany more profitable/efficient means that the market place, although shrunk at the moement) can only grow long term, so your rantings about 'temporary' are ill founded.
Thats my 2p anyway....
I much did I just earn typing that :D ;)
gaz.thomas
05-03-2003, 17:12
Does anyone other than BT 'deploy system x'?:D
sorry Marconi...
amcluesent
05-03-2003, 17:30
>not be looked upon as just a tool to do a job<
True, yet how many companies just automate existing processes rather than use the possibilities of IT to rethink how the business functions?
Linking your company to its network of suppliers and customers is the thing. And outsourcing the basic IT to India/China etc.
IT... not sure what you guys call IT.. i'm a developer, is that IT ?
I've also been recently moved into the role of consultant... is that IT ? I used to be part of the team running www.dell.co.uk, was that IT ?
I find most people think your in IT if you work with computers...
Originally posted by yeager
Eh ? Your TAX dont pay none of the work i do :) Infact, the amount of tax i pay a month I should be the one moaning !! 1300 in tax last month :(
I earn less a month than you pay tax :(
hmm sorry, i shoulda shut up. if it helps, i have huge debt and have little to play with at the end of the month, infact, only about 300 quid to monkey about with... i didn't learn the "dont go spending money you dont have" lesson quick enough...
Originally posted by MrMidgers
I earn less a month than you pay tax :(
Same here mate, shit innit.
I'm currently earning - £0.00 :(
Originally posted by vega
Same here mate, shit innit.
theres two different ends of the spectrum here
1. cant really afford an s13 but will struggle and smile eventually
2. cant afford a skyline but will manage with an s14/a/15
niether are happy :( :(
discuss !
Good valid point, dunno if the S14 guys n gal will agree with the S14 being a poor mans skyline :confused:
Papa Lazarou
06-03-2003, 01:40
Originally posted by Chris
theres two different ends of the spectrum here
1. cant really afford an s13 but will struggle and smile eventually
2. cant afford a skyline but will manage with an s14/a/15
niether are happy :( :(
discuss !
What I like about this place is that it doesn't matter.
Here you have company directors and mega bucks IT people on an equal footing with people in far lower paid jobs (or not in employment), all sharing a common interest.
I really couldn't give a stuff what anyone else earns.... Sometimes pisses me off that in my job I come into contact with people my own age earning 10 times as much (no exageration) but what can you do? I guess they've earned it..
Chris_Lacey
06-03-2003, 09:51
You're right when you say they've earned it, but the sacrifices they have made aren't ones that I personally could justify. A while back I had two choices, my girlfriend or my career, I was offered a job working in between London, Berlin and New York, I would see Abi once a week, sometimes less... but they were prepared to offer me 45k basic +training +bens, with the option of earning serious money within a couple of years... I chose Abi, I still see my friends I went to school with, I have a dog and a nice house, getting married, and only earn 25 - 30k a year tops (with overtime). The thing is, I am happier than I have ever been, more money would be nice, but it certainly isn't the be all and end all.
I like this board for the same reason as Papa, no one cares about gender, job, age, race or anything else, we love our cars, appreciate a bit of fun and it's a great place to avoid boredom :)
I Likey Papa's post.....
Who the hell cares what we do and what we earn....we all have one passion, the 200*****....and we all work together to achieve our results :)
Originally posted by yeager
IT... not sure what you guys call IT.. i'm a developer, is that IT ?
I've also been recently moved into the role of consultant... is that IT ? I used to be part of the team running www.dell.co.uk, was that IT ?
I find most people think your in IT if you work with computers...
I would define an IT job as one where you you are involved only in the development, maintenance or customer support of the IT itself - not someone who uses the IT to do a job not directly related to IT.
For eg., you could have a company with no IT employees - computers etc. are used to do a job. When repairs are needed, an IT bod is brought in temporarily. When upgrades are required, someone goes to an IT shop. If training is required, IT bods are brought in to teach non-IT employees how to use the software. If advice on IT use is needed, an IT consultant is brought in.
Programmers/software developers etc. work for IT companies - their jobs are in IT.
Im sure he earns it being a developer. Hey Yeager my mate used to work for Dell as a developer......a Mr A. Baker........ring any bells?
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