FAO Mike & Kevs200sx

[dunc]

You guys have both had T25 Hybrids, do either of you know how much they usually cost (did you purchase yours from new)?

A second hand standard T25 is going to cost me around £100 not including p&p (no waranty), but there's a guy on the board that can get a new T25 Hybrid for around £260-£300 inc p&p (with waranty). He said a new T25 Hybrid usually costs around £600?

What did you guys pay?

Cheers,

Dunc.

[tmmollah]

Dunc, who is this guy?
For that price I could just get my turbo done

Will it not be better going for a T28

I'm still not sure if there is much difference between the T25 hybrid and T28.
Mikes got a T25 and he's flying at crail with his 14.6s

[dunc]

Mike's T25H won't produce any more power than a standard T25 with the exception that he can crank up the boost without blowing the fecker up. Apart from that a T25H@16psi is the same as a T25@16psi as far as I know, you can go for 18psi on the hybrid though :cool:

Not too keen on the T28 for the following reasons:-

1) No guarentee that it'll last
2) Doubt my engine would handle big power anyway
3) I find it hard enough fitting the T25 and couldn't be assed with the hassle :rolleyes:
4) None around

The guy is currently getting back to me about prices/specs/warrenty for the T25H so I'll tell you what he says.

Dunc.

[Kev]

Dunc my T25H was indeed £600, so it sounds like a good deal.
TBH the H should give u more power that a T25, bout another 20-30brake infact.

It can also run bigger psi without killing itself, but it should flow more power.

Thing is there are loads of versions of hybrids, so u need to find out wat kind of hybrid it is.
360deg thrust bearing, roller bearing, cut back blades, wat kind of compressor........etc , u need to find out exactly wat makes it a hybrid Dunc.

But i have to agree with Tonnie, u would be better sourcing a T28, gives u more power for the same boost pressure and more progressive power, and the modding thats needed is very very little.

Kev

[Mike]

Originally posted by Kev
Dunc my T25H was indeed £600, so it sounds like a good deal.
TBH the H should give u more power that a T25, bout another 20-30brake infact.

It can also run bigger psi without killing itself, but it should flow more power.

Thing is there are loads of versions of hybrids, so u need to find out wat kind of hybrid it is.
360deg thrust bearing, roller bearing, cut back blades, wat kind of compressor........etc , u need to find out exactly wat makes it a hybrid Dunc.

But i have to agree with Tonnie, u would be better sourcing a T28, gives u more power for the same boost pressure and more progressive power, and the modding thats needed is very very little.

Kev

I agree with Kev... if you think about it, apart from a bigger FMIC and ripping out excess weight (the spare is already out) what else can I now do with my car's performance? If not a T28, ask Kev, Paul_S13 or some others for a recommended turbo to keep your tuning days happy and long. BTW mine was from Norris and cost £584 inc braided oil feed pipe (which the garage didnt fit :mad:) Also make sure the actuator will cope with your boost controller....

[dunc]

Originally posted by Kev

, but it should flow more power.



I didn't realsie this, I thought if anything they provided more resistance due to heavyier duty components. That makes it a more interesting proposition.

I understand what you're saying about the T28 Kev, they are deffo the way to go for bigger power but if I got a second hand one there's a possibility it might not last all that long? But I don't know much about tubby's because I'm just about to start looking.

The main problem limiting my choice is that I'm moving house on the 4th April, so if I don't get a tubby fitted, tested, car insured by then it'll be a drive down to the scrappy's :(. They'll probably only give me about £50-100 for the shed, if that. Its not a money problem, just a space one. I wouldn't mind getting rid of it and buying another car but its a bit of a waste just because I've not got a good tubby to put in it.

Moan over (just about), anyway, cheers for the info on your T25H Kev. It sounds silly but I couldn't be assed with a second more hassle than fitting the turbo back on, I know in theory the T28 isn't much more hassle to fit but in reality even an extra hour or so of arsing around is too much.

Oops didn't mean to turn it into a rant :o

In summary: I want a T25H so I can turn up to 18-20psi and blow up my engine at knockhill :D :rolleyes:

Good point about the T25H spec as well, I've asked for the turbo spec of off this guy so hopefully that'll explain what the hybrid bit is all about. I'll come back and ask you're advice about the spec of the turbo too if thats OK :)

Sorry about the essay, not too sure where that came from :confused:

[dunc]

Mike, missed your post because I was too busy typing my essay.

I'm 100% certain I won't be tuning this car more than it already is, in fact I thought it was fine the way it was.

I'm not fond of the thought of paying much over £200 for a tubby as the car only cost me £350, so you can see where I'm coming from. I just want to run the car untill it dies so big tuning is out, I could sell on a recently purchased hybrid (most folks recon they should last 10,000miles+) but not really a stinky old T25 or T28.

The only way I can justify spending £260+ on a T25H is the fact that it would sell for around £100 with small mileage so its really only a loss of £150. Or am I talking shite again????

Dunc, still :confused: about what to do? Cut my losses?

[dunc]

BTW My actuator seems to be working OK to about 16/17psi so I suppose that'll do, I'm using a turbo smart gated valve thingy. Right I'm done now, honest :rolleyes:

[Mike]

Dunc, answer these...

- do you want to keep the car?
- if you sold it what would you get next?
- what car can you afford that is better than a 200?
- is your 200 on it's last legs and should you be shot of it?
- what's your budget?

and finally

- what does the misses say?

My advice is, if its in good nick, keep it and modify it. If not spend minimum amount and smash it up on the oval with us there cheering you on!!

[Kev]

hehe my answers seem more and more of a war and peace effort these days also.
re the T28, put a post in wanted and give it a week and see wats happening.

Ill do the extra work for u foc if u wish, its bout 10 mins work.

And they are not only better for big power, ull flow the same power at say 7 psi in a T28 as u would at 12psi in a T25, so better reliability for the same power.

tbh ud be better posting in s13 tech about the specs cos i can only tell u wat i know from the bb, ud be better speaking to Steve C, Paul-s13 or Papa lazarou, they really know wat they are talking about, and are usualy very helpfull.

Kev
ps. Mike, u on a standard clutch?

[Mike]

Originally posted by Kev
hehe my answers seem more and more of a war and peace effort these days also.
re the T28, put a post in wanted and give it a week and see wats happening.

Ill do the extra work for u foc if u wish, its bout 10 mins work.

And they are not only better for big power, ull flow the same power at say 7 psi in a T28 as u would at 12psi in a T25, so better reliability for the same power.

tbh ud be better posting in s13 tech about the specs cos i can only tell u wat i know from the bb, ud be better speaking to Steve C, Paul-s13 or Papa lazarou, they really know wat they are talking about, and are usualy very helpfull.

Kev
ps. Mike, u on a standard clutch? I'm on a LUK. Norris says it's OK for my specs and an uprated one would cost more and last less time!

[Kev]

Originally posted by Mike

My advice is, if its in good nick, keep it and modify it. If not spend minimum amount and smash it up on the oval with us there cheering you on!!

:D :D :D :D :D

I missed all ur replies cos i was writing another war and peace lol

[tmmollah]

I'll be getting a T28 in April after my student loan comes through:D :D
When does the T28 hit full boost and does it hold the boost right through the rev range?
I know with the T25 it looses boost at high revs

Tonnie

[Kev]

Depends where ur gonna stick the boost up to Tonnie?
At 7psi it starts to come in around 2k and is at full boost at 3k
@12psi it starts around 2.2k and full boost at 3.5
@14.5psi it starts to come in bout 2.5 and hits full boost (and looses ur traction below 3rd gear) at 4krpm.

And yes it holds it no problem all the way to the red.

Kev

[Mike]

Originally posted by Kev
Depends where ur gonna stick the boost up to Tonnie?
At 7psi it starts to come in around 2k and is at full boost at 3k
@12psi it starts around 2.2k and full boost at 3.5
@14.5psi it starts to come in bout 2.5 and hits full boost (and looses ur traction below 3rd gear) at 4krpm.

And yes it holds it no problem all the way to the red.

Kev

some pre Powerflow psi/rpm data from my car showing T25H psi drop at high revs:

1/4 mile 16.126 15.437 14.685
2500 5 5 5
3000 10 10 10
3500 12 12 12
4000 13.5 15 15
4500 13.5 14 14
5000 13 12 12
5500 11 10 11
6000 9 10 10
6500 8 8 9.5
7000 7 7 9
ave 10.2 10.3 10.75
Mods K&N K&N K&N
T25H T25H T25H
FMIC

[Mike]

oops; colums dont line up well, but 9psi at 7000 was with SAAB FMIC

[dunc]

Originally posted by Mike
If not spend minimum amount and smash it up on the oval with us there cheering you on!!

This is what I was trying to say before it went all "War and Peace", Dai boy has a T25 for sale for £100 this is probably the ticket. Hope it lasts a bit longer than this one, but to be fair this T25 has had a hard time with the previous owner running to high boost.

Mike I didn't realise T25H's boost dropped off so much, I'd always assumed it was due to the WMIC's. Bit of an eye opener.

Good to see the old student loan is coming to the rescue for Tonnie, life's a bit crap once you leave uni :( Kev's just started uni, lucky git!

Kev, didn't realise the T28 was that easy to fit, there's a few scaremonger stories on this board on that topic. It probably misleads some peeps.

Cheers guys,

Dunc.