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Green Meany
17-02-2003, 17:44
I thought this might start some interest in things that would fit the S14 from off the S15.
My first blunder so far was the genuine Nissan 'A' pillar gauge pod, shipped all the way from Auss......
It don't fit. thought I could mod it slightly but no......:(
If someone ever gets a rhd S15, I have a pod for one.
Or its the 1st part to me collecting enough bits to build one. :rolleyes:
They're always posting front fenders and bonnets on ebay for people doing a front end conversions.
TBO and I'm probably going to get laughed at for saying this but I think the s15 looks a bit pants - there I said it:p
Amdathlonuk
18-02-2003, 15:02
Originally posted by 200sxer
They're always posting front fenders and bonnets on ebay for people doing a front end conversions.
TBO and I'm probably going to get laughed at for saying this but I think the s15 looks a bit pants - there I said it:p
Actually so do I................
Doesn't look halve as menacing as the S14a, a little TOO smooth for my liking.
:)
Believe S15 diff is supposed to be a good interchangable part (for S13 or S14):
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28111&highlight=s15
Actual_Ben_Taylor
18-02-2003, 15:26
Pretty much all the mechanical parts are interchangable, also the majority of the suspension components and the front seats...
The standard wing mounted intercooler is also twice as thick as the S14 one
Anyone know where I can get a pair of S15 half shafts - the two bits that go into the diff and bolt up to the driveshafts?
Actual_Ben_Taylor
18-02-2003, 15:32
Just phone Nissan, they can get Japanese parts if they want to...
yeah - I heard they could - trouble is that the S14 ones are about £185 each (according to the www.nissan.co.za site) - I'm after some 2nd hand ones if poss...
S15 fenders do not fit the 14 you need custom ones.
C.
And i do not like the front of the S15, prefer the UK s14a.
C.
Colin Gibson
18-02-2003, 22:01
Jez,
Are you planning to fit the S15 LSD then?
Originally posted by Colin Gibson
Jez,
Are you planning to fit the S15 LSD then?
Yup - got the LSD - just need the half shafts.
Originally posted by 200sxer
I'm probably going to get laughed at for saying this but I think the s15 looks a bit pants - there I said it:p
The S15 looks what exactly?, take a look at this pic and repeat your comment please :)
I think some of the S15's came with 6 speed boxes, do these bolt on?
Originally posted by Gaz
The S15 looks what exactly, look at this pic and repeat your comment please :)
Sorry man but it's sliding into vectra mondeo land, okay it's not pants like vectra pants but I still wouldn't want one over my s14, it's all getting too round and soft...
...I'm waiting:p :rolleyes: :D
Each to their own I suppose, some people actually like Vectras and spend lots of money buying one, silly people.
Just proves we all got different tastes, just most of us on here got better taste than your average motorist :)
Gaz
speaking of conversions, i remember seeing an S15 front on an S13 rear end..
now i honestly thought that looked absolutely wicked.. once lowered and all..
tanjuakio
19-02-2003, 13:56
Originally posted by NikB
I think some of the S15's came with 6 speed boxes, do these bolt on?
I seem to recall reading that the 6 speed 'box will bolt straight on, that would be nice. Also a lot of Aussie (i think) racers prefer the 5 speed S14 box because they are stronger. Summit to do with the actual gears being smaller in the 6 speed box to fit. Aren't S15 turbo's better as well, roller bearings?
read a review somewhere that mentioned the 6 speed box being far louder than the 5 speed too..
tanjuakio
19-02-2003, 15:35
Originally posted by formula
read a review somewhere that mentioned the 6 speed box being far louder than the 5 speed too..
For that authentic straight cut gear sound :D :rolleyes: :D
I think the engine block and chassis are the same so I would of thought it would bolt pretty much straight on. Might need a different length propshaft though.
David_S14
21-02-2003, 17:13
Originally posted by Jez
Yup - got the LSD - just need the half shafts.
Long shot but have you tried mailing JapAndy from ebay ?
mittomatto
26-02-2003, 03:12
6 speed box goes straight in with no mods :D and a 180sx with S15 front is know as "strawberry" face. This is cus 15/80 in japanese is the same as saying strawberry :D
there ya go, more useless shite i know about japanes cars :D
6 speed is not going to go in that easy.
the six speed has no speed pick up, it is on the diff on the S15 so you will also need the diff and prop shaft is shorter so you will also need that.
C.
My S14a has the following S15 parts fitted:
S15 injectors (the S14a ones are only 380cc)
S15 front seats (slight rail modification required)
Prior to upgrading to 17" rims it also used to have S15 rims, which are a damn sight better than the hideous S14 / S14a / Maxima rims.
Alas the S15 gear knob won't fit - due to a different thread. I tried to fit it, but no luck. So I'm stuck with Frankenstein's testicle that comes with the S14a.
Why you would want to fit an S15 box is beyond me. The 6 speed is unnecessary IMHO. It's a weaker unit, and resulted in slightly worse 0-100 and 1/4 mile times thanks to the extra cog shifting. A few of us in Australia have switched their 6 speed S15 boxes for the old 5 speeds. The only advantage that I see is that it's nice for some overtaking brackets - but a well tuned S14 has excellent overtaking capabilities anyway.
Regardless I believe that the S15 is a considerable step up from the S14a. Despite the disgusting easily scratched retro 60's interior, the inferior turning circle to the S14, the 6 speed ****y gear box, the more expensive panel parts and the fact that it's harder to fit larger rims on it.... It has the following over its predecessors (S14 and S14a)
Shorter throw gear shift
Larger injectors
A superior ECU that has a better self-learning capability
Lighter, more supportive seats
A better fuel pump
Twin air bags standard (and it's still lighter than the 14)
Better chassis bracing
More suitable spring and shock rates
The helical LSD which is far tighter than the viscous unit (though the auto still gets the viscous unit)
A 280hp 'GT2510' BB turbo
No, I don't have one - but I have driven a few. Pretty well all of the above in my S14a has been replaced during the course of modifying the car anyway - and I prefer the look of the S14a. But stock vs stock units (not that there are many left in Australia - the S15 is a great car straight out of the car yard).
Cheers,
Brendan
So I'm stuck with Frankenstein's testicle that comes with the S14a.
I'll never think of my gear stick in the same way again... :)
tanjuakio
07-03-2003, 10:37
Originally posted by Crow
S15 front seats (slight rail modification required)
Prior to upgrading to 17" rims it also used to have S15 rims, which are a damn sight better than the hideous S14 / S14a / Maxima rims.
Do you have any pics of the seats? Do you still have the original wheels?
Oh, and I forgot - the S15 intercooler which is 175 x 220 x 80 is a nice cheap, insurance friendly upgrade for the S14 or S14a. It's a straight bolt on with the existing piping and is a full third thicker than the anaemic S14 unit.
Yes - I have the 16" S15 wheels in my garage.
And yes, I have pictures of both the S15 seats in the S14a, and the S14a with S15 wheels. If you want me to send them to you, give me a hoy.
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 20:47
Originally posted by Crow
Oh, and I forgot - the S15 intercooler which is 175 x 220 x 80 is a nice cheap, insurance friendly upgrade for the S14 or S14a. It's a straight bolt on with the existing piping and is a full third thicker than the anaemic S14 unit.
Yes - I have the 16" S15 wheels in my garage.
And yes, I have pictures of both the S15 seats in the S14a, and the S14a with S15 wheels. If you want me to send them to you, give me a hoy.
yes please mate my addy is robert.dolphin@zen.co.uk
cheers
Rob
Crow sounds like you might need to get in to the shipping business as a lot of people are going to want S15 parts.
c.
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 20:55
Originally posted by Cookie
Crow sounds like you might need to get in to the shipping business as a lot of people are going to want S15 parts.
c.
Not a bad idea!!! :D
Could do - I use ebay a lot and know the workshops / suppliers around here pretty well.
You guys should do ok buying from Australia anyway due to the favourable exchange rate?
tanjuakio - I sent you photos of
S14 vs S15 seats
S14 vs S15 intercooler
2 x S14a with S15 wheels.
Post them up if you like because I can't.
Cheers
Yes post them up i would like to see them , if you can't send to me as i can.
c.
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:04
Originally posted by Cookie
Yes post them up i would like to see them , if you can't send to me as i can.
c.
How do I post them?
You need to be a sxoc member.
C.
To what email address Cookie? I can send them through if you like.
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:08
Originally posted by Cookie
You need to be a sxoc member.
C.
I am :D
Well just use the attach button at the bottom.
c.
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:11
ah
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:12
an another
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:12
yet more
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:13
penultimate one
tanjuakio
10-03-2003, 21:14
last one
Saved me doing it then.
c.
RE: LSD's. Here's a copy of a PM that sent to one of you who asked. Sorry if it's convoluted (a few emails have been combined in it) and fails to answer all the questions.
A US 240SX owner (equivalent of our 200SX, but with the KA24DE engine standard) bought an helical LSD off a manual S15 spec-R. He had a spare S14 open diff ready to accept the internals. The first thing he did was measure the depth of the holes that accept the output flanges/spline shaft. The retaining spring clip seemed to be at the right depth. He then proceeded to swap over the ring gear and install the helical diff in the carrier. It meshed fairly well with the pinion without any adjustments. So far so good. However, when sliding in an output flange it went in TOO easily. Turned out the spline part of the shaft has a smaller diameter on the S14 diffs, at least compared to the helical unit.
Most people discuss just upgrading the centre - though in the case of an S15 to S14 diff swap, you might be able to change over the entire unit as they both use 3.69 final drive ratios. Something to think about. Otherwise - it fits in an auto diff but the halfshafts will not fit in a manual S14 diff, the left halfshaft will be 12mm long (one of us spent a day at the wreckers with a collection of housings, centres and halfshafts, and eventually figured this out.) If there is a problem I'd check the number of bolts/pattern where the driveshaft comes in, I've been told that this is different between the two diffs. I'm also not sure if the halfshafts are the same, it's been said that the S15 centre is a drop in replacement to a skyline and I know that the skyline centre is not a drop in replacement for the manual S14 diff as our halfshaft is 12mm longer. The S15 helical unit is said to come from the skylines and the skylines do have larger diameter halfshafts than the S14, what I suspect is that you'll need these to get it to work (very easy to find over here). I also believe that the S15's are 5 bolt (thats what I was told a year or so back when looking at diff options) but I haven't checked for myself
The S15's Torsen diff is a significant upgrade on the S14s viscous LSD. It is however, not a particularly tight Torsen unit (tightness being a function of the number of element gears used).
Another alternative: 1 guy here in Aus changed his diff from the viscous S13 unit (same as S14 except the ratio) to a reshimmed GTR diff centre. They basically removed a GTR guts and placed it back into the s13 casing. That keeps the same shafts but you can't retain the ABS if you do this. This is why it's difficult to use centres from other nissans (GTR's, GTS-T's etc) as the crown wheel in the manual is bigger, the one in the auto is the same size as a GTR.
Second hand S15 diffs sell for around AUS$$1200-1500, a brand new cusco or kaaz is 1600-2000. The aftermarket ones are a lot better than the S15 diffs and the S15 diffs are a lot better than the S14 ones (IMO the diff in the S14 is complete really quite crap). For only a little bit more you're getting a better diff which is new and no hassles on the install.
Interesting information...
C.
Green Meany
12-03-2003, 13:21
Crow,
Cheers for all the info, you seem quite knowledgable. :D :D
Its a shame Aus is so far away cos make shipping expensive dispite the good exchange rate.
Are you able to supply part no. for the S15 WMIC or an idea of how much one from Aus would cost?
And off topic, but it is my thread. Crow could give us some details of your front splitter, cos I looks good :)
Cheers
Green Meany,
The front bar I'm using is an Edge bar. The factory S14 bar is a disjointed nasty bit of work that provides very poor air flow to a front mount (and radiator). The Edge bar is the same design as the one released on the limited edition Nismo S14 270R.
http://naonao.alpha-sv.com/
It's not as 'in your face' as say, Veilside and my only criticism is that the protruding lip, like that of the C-west bar can scrape easily because it effectively lengthens the front of the car. This is unlike the factory S14 / S14a splitter 'aka snow plow' which sits back a fair way to minimise scraping.
Aus shipping rates are a lot cheaper than American post. Not sure how they compare to yours though - though I got my RLTC from England without too much pain on the shipping front.
I'll look into the part number for the S15 cooler - though they sell second hand here for reasonably cheap these days (AUS$100 to $200 - or less, there's one on ebay at the moment). Now that the warranty periods of S15s are starting to end, more people are fitting front mounts.
£30 - £60. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Can you find out a price on shipping of a S15 IC , Dam thats cheap.
Thanks
C.
I have asked the chap on ebay if he will ship to the UK and if he can get hold of any more S15 IC's
Crow if you can get hold of any arround that price you should be able to sell them at a small profit very easily on the board.
C.
Green Meany
12-03-2003, 22:35
Au$200 for effectively a nissan uprated WMIC !!! that's a blo0dy bargin mate. :D :eek:
And as Cookie says you could make a mint on them too...
Now I am sure a group buy could make it worth someones while to gather say 3 or 4 and send them over to us here in old blighty.
Thanks again Crow, oh how wish I was living somewhere hot again............;) :)
I've tracked one S15 cooler down this morning. I'll post more info next week hopefully because I need to have a close look at the core to make 100% sure it's in good nick.
Green Meany - warm is one thing. Parts of Australia can be a bit more than just warm. It's been too hot here this recent summer, and we're in the middle of a drought with an overdose of bush fires. I nearly had my house burn down a month back....
One of the reasons why people here like to fit S15 coolers to S14's is that FMIC's are hated by insurance companies because front end damage tends to cost a lot. The front of an S14a costs a fortune to replace from Mr Nissan and when you add a FMIC to the equation, it gets rather nasty. With the local wildlife of Kangaroos and Wombats our front ends are often at risk :(
RiskyDiscoDan
13-03-2003, 00:27
Count me in for a S15 WMIC me me me !!!!! :)
I state my claim (wee up a tree) want one (run around jumping up and down shouting memememe)
just in case u didnt get that - i want one and will be in any group buy or just me :) for the right sort of money
go and collect all the S15 wmic and give them to us :)
tanjuakio
13-03-2003, 00:39
Have I read this right, 80 bones for an S15 WMIC??? If so put me down for one!!!!!!!
The sad thing is that as you are probably all aware - S15 production was discontinued a few months ago, and in the first place it was only available for the Japanese and Australian markets. Add to that the relatively high write-off rate of the cars in wet weather, and I'm wondering if one day they'll be difficult to find. Still, I'm looking...
I've got a 320hp Ball Bearing turbo aka GT2530, Bosch fuel pump and one S15 cooler for sale so far but have spent all morning at work answering PM's about them. Pity I didn't realise there was such an interest for such parts overseas, but only stumbled on this forum by accident.
Just a FYI...
I am going to bid on the one on ebay, so you lot stay out of it - no point starting a bidding war between us.
C. :)
Colin Gibson
13-03-2003, 11:28
Crow,
how much are you asking for the 2530?
Sorry lads,
I think I've got first dibs on the 2530 turbo.
I have already refused it , so i must have had first dibs :p
C.
Green Meany
13-03-2003, 13:11
Originally posted by Crow
Pity I didn't realise there was such an interest for such parts overseas, but only stumbled on this forum by accident.
You don't know tha half of it, we modding mad on here, we have our very own trader (Bren of ApexPerformance) how many BBs can clam that !! :D :D ;D
Crow if your going to be able to gather S15 WMIC and Turbos, I will have a WMIC of you to start with. :)
Are you on Aus Ebay, are you Crow on there too ?
Cheers
Green Meany - crowpez on ebay, not crow
Moddding mad is understandable, a standard S14a is a bit underwhelming.
Colin - yes, hobbsy has first dibs on the 320hp BB turbo.
Green Meany - I've sent you a PM about your S15 cooler.
I'll try and find one for RiskyDiscoDan now.
RiskyDiscoDan
19-03-2003, 18:08
dude - you havent forgoten me :D
very kind of you
pm me with the idea of cost
hmmm how much are those BB T28's ???
Recent dyno testing has showed another improvement that the S15 gets over the S14.
The VCT on the S15 is vastly improved.
Shutting down the VCT on my S14 dropped off power to the tune of 10kw. On the S15 it's closer to 30kw. This is in the midrange, so a quick look at peak power differences that people are so fond of quoting won't reveal the deficiency.
On a side note....
Since there have been cases of the S14 VCT mysteriously dying, the easiest way to detect this is
a) on the dyno comparing midrange before and after figures
b) via the Nissan consult
However - also be aware that in many cases of faulty VCT, it was only apparent when the car had warmed up - so that when running the consult, if the car was cold timing was being advanced as per the VCT, but when it heated up, the VCT stopped working.
Cheers,
Brendan
Riskydiscodan - I wouldn't bother upgrading to the BB T28 unless it's really cheap: they tend to be overpriced on the second hand market. If you're going down that path I'd suggest a garrett 320hp turbo. For a little bit more money you'll get a better turbo that has a more sustained power curve.
Anyway, it's been shown that the cams hold up the S15 turbo as full breathing is restricted at high RPM, therefore some argue that cams should be addressed before a larger turbo is fitted.
Colin Gibson
28-03-2003, 12:38
Crow
Do you know of a well priced turbo going up for grabs at the moment?
Since removing my manifold today the guys at the tunning shop (AVA) have discovered thrust bearing failue in my Turbo Dynamics T28H (bought from Norris Designs).
The tunning guys (who have always been very reliable) insist that the failure is not oil related and is characteristic of high boost wear (only I have never run higher than about 17psi since fuel cut was never removed), any ideas on this (Anyone)
or on a good replacement most welcome!:confused:
AVA do not reckon a new or reconditioned version of the same turbo would fair much better (this one had only done about 8000miles).:(
Hi Colin,
I realise that you guys tend to approach mods differently over there, but 17psi on an S14 T28?? Surely it was out of its efficiency range at that level of boost. I'll send you a PM about that.
IMHO, don't bother with another T28, there are far better alternatives out there which are a straight bolt on, and can support more boost with faster spool up.
Cheers,
Brendan
Colin Gibson
02-04-2003, 16:05
Crow,
Regarding the VCT on the s15 which is improved over the S14 (as I understand it the exhaust cam aswell as the intake cam timming is controlled), has anyone over there modded an s14 engine with s15 parts to allow this, how easy/hard would this be to do?
Green Meany
02-04-2003, 16:14
Colin that was going to be my next question ;)
I am curious to know too...
Does it involve ecu change as well as the cams, either the S15 ecu or Unichip or E-manage ? Or just a fueling adjustment.
I'm looking into that. I know that there is a lot of power to be had with a competant tuner adjusting the S14a VCT set up, I've seen it done.
However, if you want to see the results of one of our club members when he was examining the VCT on and off on an S15, check out:
http://johnnyt.nissan200sx.org/forums/vct.jpg
Note that it is a Jap spec S15 (which really is a moot point considering the only notable differences between Jap spec and Aus spec is exhaust and fuelling related ECU settings).
The difference on the S15 is far and beyond what I saw on my S14a.
Green Meany - it could involve cam replacement. I'm starting to see that the S14a cams MAY indeed run out of puff faster than the S15 units. As for ECU, unsure.
The physical parts involved (tensioner assembly and cam sprokett) appear to be different for starters. But I've priced them and they are vaguely affordable - so if I can get those sort of gains, it's definitely worth the money. I then have to see if it's a simple as the aftermarket ECU's being adjusted to compensate for the change.
Sorry I can't give more information, but I've only just starting looking at this recently.
Cheers,
Brendan
Green Meany
02-04-2003, 23:41
No Probs Crow,
You have given us all a fair bit to think about anyway and its interesting to know how different places view tunning their S14s and the SR20DET.
Cheers mate :) :)
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