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Do any of you support this?
Has anyone on here abandoned their cars for public transport into London today?
thejames
17-02-2003, 16:54
At the end of the day, has anyone come up with a better idea??
Aye, me :)
I always get the bus to and from work.
Used to use the bus and tube when I was working in London aswell, only used my car when driving away not towards the center.
I used to hate walking past all the lasy fecking stationary drivers on the roads in London with there engines running, poluting what little air there is in London :mad: gerrr
Simple cure....
VOTE CONSERVATIVE!
they will get rid of it, and not only that, we will be rid of the most corrupt government we have had for years!
Chery Blair "I've lots of money and need to invest it, I could either put it in the MP's trust fund as required by law or by a house in someone elses name, I'll do the later, chances of a potential QC being caught are minimal"
- STUPID BITCH!
Originally posted by Vez
Simple cure....
VOTE CONSERVATIVE!
they will get rid of it, and not only that, we will be rid of the most corrupt government we have had for years!
Perhaps, but they are the best of a bad lot.
Can you honestly see the Con.s offering a viable govt? Their support is dwindling, their performance in the house is laughable and their leader IDS is about to be ousted by internal revolt.
Hmm...
Martin T
17-02-2003, 23:46
Fook me its a 50/50 split! (11 each sofar)
Originally posted by Martin T
Fook me its a 50/50 split! (11 each sofar)
That has surprised me too. I suppose it is London though. Would I pay £5 visit Stoke Town Centre? Would I fcuk. They'd have to pay me.
I think of it this way.
Cars pollute hideously and you burn vast amounts of fuel sitting about. You run the risk of dents, dings, scrapes. Surely your insurnace will go down if you don't drive into the heart of London?
Fewer cars improve the air quality just for a start. ANd your health iomproves as you walk around london. And the services improve thanks to a cash injection.
Personally, I'm all for it...
Daniel san
18-02-2003, 08:39
Originally posted by Vez
Chery Blair "I've lots of money and need to invest it, I could either put it in the MP's trust fund as required by law or by a house in someone elses name, I'll do the later, chances of a potential QC being caught are minimal"
- STUPID BITCH!
LMFAO> Gotta be one of the best quotes for ages!:D
Nathan_200sx
18-02-2003, 09:56
Yeah car's pollute when sitting about, but the only ****ing reason there sitting about is that you only get 10 seconds of green light and 10 mins of red, add to that the mini roundabouts, speed bumps bus lanes etc it's no bloody wonder cars dont move quick through london. if it works here it'le be coming to a city centre near you soon with local goverments eager to sqeaze more out of the motorist in the name of the enviroment. FFS look how much tax you already pay on fuel/oil/parts road tax. Im currently paying around £2000 a year to drive on craterd uneven roads that are designed to make my journey a nightmare. Im fed up with it why should I pay more? how long before it's town centres as well? If they managed traffic better they wouldnt have a conjestion problem, instead they fine you for entering a city centre.
I would never vote labour while they have that blithering fat **** prescot in the cabinet, every interview he's on the defensive and making a total ass of himself, he's only there because he represents the unions on the old labour guard. Blair cannot afford to loose the support of the unions at the minuite so twat stays put with his crazy ideas. like if you dont live in a house for 6 months he want's to take it off you and fill it with asylum seakers:rolleyes:
Were getting fobbed off left right and centre while all the scum of the world see us as a meal ticket and arrive in droves. Only the meek libral washouts seem to get listened to, everone else is a racist for haveing differing views and dare not speak out. Rant over, well nearly Im off outside for a fag ;) oh and the tory's have gained on labour not lost out to in the opinion polls there about equal now.
gaz.thomas
18-02-2003, 10:19
London has too many cars. It's as simple as that. However I don't feel that the congestion charge will necessarily reduce the traffic in London as the locals don't feel that public transport is a viable alternative.
Let's face it - if you can't convince someone who lives in London to use the buses then how are you likely to convince Johnny Businessman from Surrey with his company car and expense account?
The real problem is not with those who live in London and want to use their car because these people already know it's a damn site quicker to walk/cycle/tube across the capital. The real problem as I see it is the commuter who spends two hours on the M4 every morning in his three litre vectra (on his own) - and he's probably going to have the company pay for his cc anyway.
Having said all that however - I voted yes. Anything that takes more money out of the southeast is a good thing in my book - get Ken to give it to the people in this country who don't have public transport at all - let alone the most integrated one in the country.
Gaz
-x-
(donning flamesuit)
Nathan_200sx
18-02-2003, 10:46
Were already sending more money up north. Because my council didnt sqander it, because my council actualy saved a bit towards new projects my council tax is going up 10% so that the goverment can take money from my effitient council to send to non effitient labour councils in the north who will spend it on outreach centres for 1 legged black lesbians with bad breath:mad: Why am I pissed? Im from the north and got fed up with pissing about working in the field's earning sod all, the wages are getting worse from all the illegal imagrants being exploited by the gangers who are working for next to nothing. I decided to get off my arse and do something about it, moved down here got a better job etc and all the goverment want's to do is fleace me of all my hard earned to give to people who want to sit on here arse all day or councils who have no grasp on how to run anything. My parents came down at the weekend and I dispare at what the council has plans for up there, and Im probably paying for it :rolleyes: I hate the mentality of this country at the moment, I've had enough of the passifist, new man, touchy fealy, watch what you say society. Nobody seems to have a spine anymore..... double rant:rolleyes: guess who's in a mood today. and none of that was directed at anyone who's posted in this thread by the way, I just got carried away:o
grrr I work for one of those council's up norff. Its got ta be the least apperciated carear ever! What ever ya do unless you actualy reduce peoples counciltax bills they think out are crap!
Saying that there are many parts of the council, incuding the IT department (which thankfully i aint part of) are sooo old and slow amd set in ther ways that when we come along with are ideas of joined up working, XML and all they run for the hills! grrrr
Baa ya cant win :rolleyes:
Sill you try your bes and a lot of people do in this coucil and slog there guts out for not a lot of pay... and then there are some who jus idle along enjoying the job securaty :confused:
Soz, didnt meen ta have a go at Nathan_200sx, just though it was worth mentioning as there are quite diverce points of veiw on this board. ;)
Anyway back to the point. If you got rid of all the bus lanes, speed bump and all and put loads of new road in london... all that would happen is more people would drive into London and jam it up again and produce even more polution!
Any way I got out of it and moved up north and am now much happier and earning 25% more than i was in London :confused:
WHY???? :confused:
The way I see it, is that I pay my road tax, so why should we pay agian to use the roads.
I use the Mersey Tunnel each day, which is now £1.20 each way. They are currently attempting to put it up to £1.30, and the service is getting worse :eek:
Originally posted by Starionman
Perhaps, but they are the best of a bad lot.
Can you honestly see the Con.s offering a viable govt? Their support is dwindling, their performance in the house is laughable and their leader IDS is about to be ousted by internal revolt.
Hmm...
And it's all thanks to Blair's 'third way'. Very simple and rather clever, actually, if you neccessarily lack any form of political morals. Marginalise the conservatives by taking up a centre position. Therefore the Conservatives either disagree on social issues (so seem too right-wing, and not in tune with the people) or they agree (as on the right-wing issues Blair champions, like war with Iraq) and don't therefore form an opposition.
I love the congestion charge, for one reason. It's the only example for sooooooo long of a politician having the sheer balls to force through an unpopular scheme that will affect millions of the electorate (his electorate) because he thinks it is the right thing to do. :eek: Blimey, what a concept.
Blair should try a taste of that medicine.
I voted no simply because it means there is a 2-tier road system - rich ppl will pay as they won't worry about what is to them a paltry sum. Perhaps the charging should be in relation to your salary ?
Roads should be for everone. I agree there is no simple solution, but this is not fair IMHO.
Originally posted by Dan_BlitzedS14
Originally posted by Vez
Chery Blair "I've lots of money and need to invest it, I could either put it in the MP's trust fund as required by law or by a house in someone elses name, I'll do the later, chances of a potential QC being caught are minimal"
- STUPID BITCH!
LMFAO> Gotta be one of the best quotes for ages!
Your welcome, I do tend to have a little bit of a satiricle outlook on politics.
Just wish Blair would climb out of Bushes Arse sometime soon - TWAT.
And the CRUMBLE of the EU has started, hurrah something to finally be greatful to the French for.
Martin T
18-02-2003, 18:07
I disagree with the "roads should be for everyone". If you cant afford a boat, you dont buy and use one. If you cant afford a plane, you dont buy one. What everyone has a right to have is transport. I say make public transport free for anyone on less than £20k per year. Then make everyone take a decent test that actually makes sure you're a good driver every year:eek: in order to keep their license. Tax the test at about 50% and add congestion charges where they are still needed, and use the money to actually have a public transport system, rather than the mess that we currently have.
Of course, this is merely a hypothetical suggestion and I expect most to disagree with me, but the benefits would be great:-
Less pollution coz of all of these jams
Roads would be clearer for the people that actually NEED to use the roads. E.g. commercial vehicles. This would save businesses a lot of money.
The roads would be far, far safer.
The NHS wouldn't have so many road accident victims to deal with, saving resources for other things.
With popularity, public transport would actually be quite decent, and convinient. Imagine busses/trains a 5 minute walk away every 15 minutes, even in rural areas.
These are just a few that I can think of in about 5 mins. Of course there are disadvantages, but would they outweigh the advnatages is this were to be implemented PROPERELY?
I dont need to use roads at all, trouble is the law states this is the only place you can drive, otherwise I would be sat in your front room in my Humma around now!
My transport plan would be:
Trains are a ****ing waste of money, rip up all the lines, sell the rails for scrap, and replace them with Motorways!
Simple, no more traffic congestion, no more shite trains that cost a fortune.
Oh and the other thing: BAN THE SCHOOL RUN, and get school buses like the US and make them compulsory to travel to and from school. I mean, when the stupid bitches are off the road during half term, there ISNT a rush hour anymore. ITS THE SCHOOL RUN HALF A MILE TARTS that cause MOST of the congestion in this country!
I have to agree with the school run point there Vez. When on my Stoke --> Manchester commute my journey time was cut by nearly 15mins (on a 1hr 15min journey) during half-term.
Sorry but I can't think why on earth the CC should work. Even if it removes this fabled 20% of traffic thats only 2 cars in every 10:rolleyes: and out of total gridlock this isn't going to make that much difference:(
Why not apply the system they have in Italy, where they say odd number plates on some days and even on others? Its not aimed at rich or poor and is totally fair and not expensive.
CC is nothing more than just another tax on the motorist, a bit like most of those bloody speed cameras:mad:
Oh and my run to Brentwood from Billericay (7 miles) takes 15 minutes this week, otherwise it takes me 1 hour:mad: Bloody school run:mad:
I'd have to aggry with the ban the school run idea though... Its a pox sent to us from 4X4 car makers :mad: :rolleyes:
The US school bus system is such a good idea. Theres little other ideas id like to use from the US but the school bus system is a farly socialist idea for the US!
tim rome
18-02-2003, 19:29
simple way to cut congestion, increase the legal driving age from 17 to 21.
tim rome
18-02-2003, 19:42
blimey, i thought i would have had some response to that one by now or is it being treated with the contempt it deserves. lol
Introduce congestion charging when there is an alternative to driving your car!
ie When Public Transport is half decent, cheap enough and reliable enough.
I give it a fortnight until London Transport is overwhelmed.
It's berks like Fatty Prescott, Grinning Gimp Blair and Smug Smile Ken that are to blame; GET THE PUBLIC TRANSPORT SORTED OUT!
Oh, and while they're about it a couple of other things would be nice:-
Crime
Asylum
Crime
NHS
Crime
Education
Crime
Roads
Crime
Taxing us to death
And Crime
I can see why it has been implemented, traffic is a major problem in every town and something has to be done to discourage the use of cars over very short distances. £5 pound a day is a shit load of money though, too high IMO. Biggest issue i think is teh lack of alternative, despite London having tubes, trains buses etc, it couldn't cope if everyone used them. That is a problem everywhere, roadworks on a local road here meant that only one road was open to get on to the M27 causing 2 hour deleys for most people. The following day loads of people decided to use the passenger ferry, the result was a 1/2 mile long que to get on it.
Incidently, the Cheri Blair thing, the chap at the centre of it all used to be involved with Sam Fox. He ran a scam where she endorsed a tea drink that was claimed to lose weight, he was convicted for fraud after conning millions of people into buying it.
Useless trivia, but what the hell. Question i have to ask is "Why did Cheri Blair do business via this bloke?"
Originally posted by Clong
Useless trivia, but what the hell. Question i have to ask is "Why did Cheri Blair do business via this bloke?"
Taking into full account she's a lawyer: No Comment.
But, we ALL know why, really, don't we.;)
Naive? Yeah, and Saddam Hussein's uses a home chemistry set.:rolleyes:
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