View Full Version : Anyone owned something quicker than a 200? Comparisons?
There are a few people on this Board who have owned Pulsars, Cossies and even Fiat Puntos.
My question is, how does the 200 compare and, more importantly, do you miss whatever you owned before?
RichSeal
11-02-2003, 06:30
Had an MR2 turbo before. I kinda miss it, imo the looks were great, and I loved the handling and engine/turbo noise comming from just behind you.
But the 2***** is more fun :)
SilEightey
11-02-2003, 12:20
used to own a corvette before, but all i can say is once you've gone turbo, you can't go back to N/A :D like the looks one the vette...but love the handling and turbo on the 200......(hate posi rear end, only good for smokeshows and burnouts...horrible for drifting ;) )
marty_t3
11-02-2003, 12:50
Well, I just sold my stock 94 WRX scoob.. gonna go back to S13 200sx ownership.
94 WRX
Good things
WRX was undoubtedly the quicker car is most situations. It was VERY easy to drive quickly. It just went wherever it was pointed without question. The suspension was rock solid and you always knew what the car was going to do. Steering was well weighted which made fast direction changes seem effortless, yet still provided the right feedback. Traction off the line was tremendous purely down to the AWD. It had plenty of low down torque so it would just pick up and start to shift very quickly regardless of what gear or how many RPM it was at. Another good point was that the car was 8 years old and didn't have a spot of rust on it. The noise of the boxer engine was to die for. Some very good specialists around so plenty of knowledgable folk to help out with the technical stuff.
Bad things
Interior was appauling (makes Nissan look good). Ride quality was bone jarring. Loads of wind noise with the windows down.
Outright speed and acceleration is not as good as you might think. Not a particularly easy car to mod (though there are some good ones around). Loads of money needs to be spent to get serious power. To increase the power from 240 to 360hp (by 50%) takes a lot of effort and money. Not the easiest car to work on. Boxer takes up a lot of space in the engine bay, add in the 4WD and things start to get a bit messy for the DIY enthusiast.
The average scoob owner thinks scoobs look great... Not IMO... it's a vile looking car with too many vents (i didn't realize that the 2 side vents are blocked till i bought the car). It's just subarus attempt to make an ugly saloon look sporty. Put some alloys, a splitter, some vents and side skirts on a mondeo and it'll look better than a scoob :rolleyes:
There were dozens of things that go wrong with imprezas (and in my case.. most of then did). These are not just little minor irritations ..... imprezas eat clutches, rocker gaskets leak, header tanks split, turbo pipework splits, dump valve fail, AFM sensors fail, Lambda sensors fail,...and (though fortunately didn't happen to me) the engines themselves are made of paper mache and like to blow up...It's by far the most unreliable fault ridden car i've owned. Scoobs definitely do not deserve their reputation for reliability. Just look at the general technical section of scoobynet to see what i mean.
Main dealer support network is terrible
Oh.. and i had it 2 weeks and someone tried to steal it from outside my house. They attract too much attention.
k..... now on to my old S13
Good points
Straight line acceleration was incredible for a 10 year old 1809cc engine. Interior was reasonable and practical considering the age of the car... unless you use the fag lighter a lot :rolleyes: Very little wind noise when driving with the windows down. Running costs are reasonable considering what you get to drive for your money. Looks wise.... gorgeous (i'm talking pre-facelift :D ). Handling was tight and confidence inspiring despite being RWD and tail happy. Grip was as good as the impreza... only outclassed when accelerating round wet bends. Steering feel was excellent but maybe a little light.. feels much better with a smaller wheel. Tail slides in the wet are easy to control and put a huge smile on the face of the driver everytime. Mods are cheap and power can be upped by 50% for very little cash. Car is easy to work on and a very simple design, straight 4, longditudonal engine, RWD. Debadge it and nobody knows what it is.... I got loads of attention from people wondering what the sleek shiny sports car was.
Bad points
Rust, not too bad for it's age but the rear spoiler is a p155 poor piece of design by nissan. Big ends going... MAJOR fault. Rear subframe bushes going are a pain too but again , considering it's age it's not that big a deal. Water pouring in the boot when it's opened in the rain. Dealer support is terrible.... unfortunately, not too many specialists around for techy stuff.
erm.... that's all i can remember at the moment (sorry about the length, kinda bored at work right now). I guess you can see why i want another S13 over the impreza :D
shadowninja
11-02-2003, 15:43
currently also own a tvr chimaera... comparing this with a largely standard s13... (random thoughts)
-grip's about the same
-can't beat the sound of a V8, esp one with a straight thru exhaust system :D
-out and out pace on a dry day... TVR beats the 200 any time; in the wet I suspect the 200 would be better as with less low end torque the wheels wouldn't spin so freely.
-in the dry, can't beat all that low end torque either for racing. don't like the fact you have to wait for the 200's turbo to kick in, plus you dont want it to kick in during rush hour round a wet roundabout ;)
-in summer, when the sun is shining and the girls are all wearing not much, I think you know which car i'd rather be in
-in the rain, it's more cosey in the 200
-position... the 200 has a much more commanding view of the road, which is useful in traffic, but for a track the TVR's lower slung position is more useful.
-i think it's easier to catch a slide with the 200 (and hold the drift :D )
In many ways they compliment each other as fun sports cars... in summer I tend to use the TVR more, and in winter the 200 more, and in their right scenarios, i'll slide out of each car with probably the same grin factor :)
I've also got a Venturi 210 and a Merc E500.
The Venturi
Plus points.
is about as fast as the 200. It's manual and more easily controlled at speed down twisting lanes as a result.
Minus Points
The downside is that at speed it has evil handling (the missus once span it and went through a hedge backwards in it) and is about as reliable as a badly maintained 25 year old Lada. Since I bought it last year (and in the 3000km it's done) it's had to have new front suspension bushes, clutch, gearbox recon, heater matrix and petrol cap (cos Mrs JB left it on the roof at a petrol station :rolleyes: ). Without a doubt I would never buy one again and hope to sell it to some poor unsupecting French person in the spring.
The Merc
Plus Points
Is probably the best car I've ever owned. In a straight line it will leave the 200 for dead, as well as many newer, supposedly more powerful cars because with it's autobox you can just floor it away from the lights and wooosh. With the speed limitor removed I've seen an indicated 270kph on a French motorway and it was still pulling (albeit not much). It's quiete, carries 4 people plus all the luggage you could want and in the 7000 hard driven kilometers I've had it hasn't put a foot wrong. It also feels built like a tank and I cannot think of a safer place I would have my little daughter in than the E.
The only drawbacks are that being a lardy saloon it's not exactly weildy on country roads and in the wet, even with the TC on it will try to kill you if you attempt to drive it at anything more than 9/10ths. Fill ups cost in excess of £70 a time and happen all too frequently. Oh, and I can never seem to prise the keys off the missus.
However the service I had done last week at a MB dealer only cost me £250 which is on a par with the SX.
If I had to pick only one car to have, my heart would say the 200, but the sensible family man I find myself having to be now would mean I have to pick the E. All in all not the worst position to find myself in :)
Originally posted by JB
I've also got a Venturi 210 and a Merc E500.
The Venturi
Plus points.
is about as fast as the 200. It's manual and more easily controlled at speed down twisting lanes as a result.
Minus Points
The downside is that at speed it has evil handling (the missus once span it and went through a hedge backwards in it) and is about as reliable as a badly maintained 25 year old Lada. Since I bought it last year (and in the 3000km it's done) it's had to have new front suspension bushes, clutch, gearbox recon, heater matrix and petrol cap (cos Mrs JB left it on the roof at a petrol station :rolleyes: ). Without a doubt I would never buy one again and hope to sell it to some poor unsupecting French person in the spring.
The Merc
Plus Points
Is probably the best car I've ever owned. In a straight line it will leave the 200 for dead, as well as many newer, supposedly more powerful cars because with it's autobox you can just floor it away from the lights and wooosh. With the speed limitor removed I've seen an indicated 270kph on a French motorway and it was still pulling (albeit not much). It's quiete, carries 4 people plus all the luggage you could want and in the 7000 hard driven kilometers I've had it hasn't put a foot wrong. It also feels built like a tank and I cannot think of a safer place I would have my little daughter in than the E.
The only drawbacks are that being a lardy saloon it's not exactly weildy on country roads and in the wet, even with the TC on it will try to kill you if you attempt to drive it at anything more than 9/10ths. Fill ups cost in excess of £70 a time and happen all too frequently. Oh, and I can never seem to prise the keys off the missus.
However the service I had done last week at a MB dealer only cost me £250 which is on a par with the SX.
If I had to pick only one car to have, my heart would say the 200, but the sensible family man I find myself having to be now would mean I have to pick the E. All in all not the worst position to find myself in :)
Hows does the Volvo compare to the 200? :D
Originally posted by Ant
Hows does the Volvo compare to the 200? :D
You can fit 2 coffins in the back of the Volvo.
You can't in the 200.
That answer your question?
PMSL :D
JB, you never fail to make me laugh :D
Dave
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had a mkIII 86.5 supra 3.0i auto for 6 months or so while my s13 was in SE's.
Actually really really miss it :( Was a great car, besides the fact that you had to own an oil refinery to run it:eek: The interior was far far better that most, and when you consider it was a 1986 motor it was well ahead of its time.
Wasnt as fast as the 200 tho, and it was bloody difficult to get back if the back end did go:eek:
Wouldnt swap back tho :) (unless it was for a swish mk4 :D)
SteveDunn
11-02-2003, 19:06
Well, my Renault Clio BeBop 1.2 earned me my SP50... something ive not achieved in any of my "faster" cars :)
Originally posted by JB
You can fit 2 coffins in the back of the Volvo.
You can't in the 200.
That answer your question?
Some pr!ck in a N*va once managed to fit most of his car in the boot of my first 200. Must be more spacious that we imagine.
PS I hope he's gets hit by a bus. With spikes on the front.
MattyGee
12-02-2003, 19:24
Originally posted by Ripper
I hope he's gets hit by a bus. With spikes on the front.
:eek: nice
then again i hold similar sentiments for the woman who wrote off my old 205 gti :mad: :(
Originally posted by Ripper
Some pr!ck in a N*va once managed to fit most of his car in the boot of my first 200. Must be more spacious that we imagine.
Yeah some kid in a N*va once tried to do that to me. Was stopped at some traffic calming on a steep hill, the next thing I hear is squealing tyres and I looked on my mirror to see a white N*va full of spotty kids careering down the hill towards me with white smoke pouring from it's front tyres. Even the driver looked terrified :eek:
Luckily he stopped about 6" from my rear bumper. I would not have been a happy chappy :mad: :D
I let them in front of me and then followed them into town with a scowl on my face. The kid kept on looking in the mirror. I bet he thought I was going to get out and pulverise him :D
200 is the fastest car ive owned, and the sportiest, by far the best looking, but then im sad enouigh to admit ive always loved the 200sx, and it was in a sence my dream car.
Handling on my 2.0 Primera was muuuch better, especially at +100mph speeds.
Miss all the guages on my old 2.0 gsx bluebird (one with a full bodykit:eek: ), some dozy bitch drove straight into the back of it outside my house, she "didnt see it", it WAS BLOODY WHITE!!!:mad:
Worst car ive ever owned was a volvo 480, was a pop-up fix till i could afford a 2*****.
Cant find one good thing to say bout it, brakes, steering, engine, suspensio, electrics............ P!SH, every part of it.
Iain s14
13-02-2003, 08:48
I had a slightly moded mitsu gto, 3ltr v6, chiped, increased boost, twin turbo, de cat, racing zorst n a few other things. dont know the bhp, but i bet it wasnt too bad :D it had better traction, acceleration and top speed (could do 85 in second gear!!) but 2k insurance, 10mpg, break pads every 5k miles etc, too bloody expensive :( The 200 is more fun to drive, more involving, cheaper to run and if anything does go wrong at least i can afford to fix it:) in the real world the 200 is the better car :D
what are the stats for a standard ***** then?
13 and 14?
Originally posted by Starionman
what are the stats for a standard ***** then?
13 and 14?
S13: Sleek performance coupe
S14: A car with a boot
:D
Originally posted by Ripper
S13: Slow unreliable rot-box. To run one of these you also need something like a Punto to remind you you're not dead.
S14: A prestige car for the discerning few
:D
Originally posted by JB
Bah!! lies!! !your biased!!
But so am i:rolleyes:
:D
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Originally posted by someone who owns a Volvo
S13: An absolute power-beast. To run one of these you also need something like a Punto to remind you what it's like to drive an S14.
S14: A car with a boot for the discerning few. 'Few' being the operative word.
:D and :D
Originally posted by Punto Boy
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S13: Slow unreliable rot-box. I have to run a Punto as well cos I get withdrawal symptoms from scrabbling in a PWD (Propper Wheel Drive) car
S14: A prestige car for the discerning few. Staggering performance and bird-pulling ability come as standard.
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Originally posted by Plastic-car owning man
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S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a heavier car with a boot on the back. And I enjoy the 0.29 drag co-efficient rather than the aerodynamics of a bus shelter.
S14: A prestige car for the discerning few. "Is that a Peugeot 406?" questions come as standard.
:D and :D once more!
Originally posted by a true scrabblemeister
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S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a car with power that I'd struggle to cope with (my other car's only got 57bhp you know). And I enjoy the wind in the hair motoring afforded to me by all the rustholes in my S13.
S14: A prestige car for the discerning few. "Is that a Ferrari 456?" questions come as standard.
:D and :D once more!
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Originally posted by Mr.My S14's so good I've bought 4 other cars to take my mind off it. Not that it's very memorable in the first place. What car was it again?
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S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a car with 28bhp more as standard which is required just to get my over-heavy 406-lookalike off the line in a half-decent time. And I enjoy the wind in the hair motoring afforded to me by those sleek pillarless doors which look the dogs-danglies in the Summertime.
S14: A prestige car for the discerning few. "Is that a FIAT 126?" questions come as standard.
:D and :D and even :p !
Steve(S14a)
13-02-2003, 13:45
Originally posted by Ripper:
S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a heavier car with a boot on the back. And I enjoy the 0.29 drag co-efficient rather than the aerodynamics of a bus shelter.
How do you know the S14a has cr*p aerodynamics? AFAIK no-one on here knows its CD?
If you DO know PLEASE tell me.....
Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
Originally posted by Ripper:
S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a heavier car with a boot on the back. And I enjoy the 0.29 drag co-efficient rather than the aerodynamics of a bus shelter.
How do you know the S14a has cr*p aerodynamics? AFAIK no-one on here knows its CD?
If you DO know PLEASE tell me.....
I haven't got a clue but it sounded good!;)
I own a Zed - that's quicker. :p ;)
(Or would be, if the clutch was working.... :( I raced a snail the other day....the snail won...and is still winning... :rolleyes: ) :D
Originally posted by Ajay
I own a Zed - that's quicker. :p ;)
(Or would be, if the clutch was working.... :( I raced a snail the other day....the snail won...and is still winning... :rolleyes: ) :D
And used less fuel;)
Originally posted by Ajay
I own a Zed - that's a quicker drain on my bank balance. :p ;)
:D
Originally posted by Ripper
And used less fuel;)
All right, rub it in, why don't you.... :(
;)
I've had my Zed up to 28mpg before now....mind you, I've also had 7mpg out of her, too... :o :D :D
Arry - :p
Mine's not that bad, considering...
I mean...compared to owning a chelly-wopter... ;) :D
In the last 5 months I've spent not a penny on her...including fuel :D :p :D
Originally posted by Ripper
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Originally posted by Mr.My S14's so good I've bought 4 other cars to take my mind off it. Not that it's very memorable in the first place. What car was it again?
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S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a car with 28bhp more as standard which is required just to get my over-heavy 406-lookalike off the line in a half-decent time. And I enjoy the wind in the hair motoring afforded to me by those sleek pillarless doors which look the dogs-danglies in the Summertime.
S14: A prestige car for the discerning few. "Is that a FIAT 126?" questions come as standard.
:D and :D and even :p !
After much thought and consideration I've decided that my response to your totally unreasonably argument is this...
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:D:D and :D:D and even :D:D Scrabbleboy :p
U boys are soooo childish.
I would have thought those pipe and slippers boys would have been a tad more mature:rolleyes: , maybe the walking stick hit the wrong keys on the keyboard.
Ripper, PML @ bus shelter:D :D :D
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shadowninja
13-02-2003, 17:03
Originally posted by Steve(S14a)
Originally posted by Ripper:
S13: Phew! Glad I didn't make the mistake of buying a heavier car with a boot on the back. And I enjoy the 0.29 drag co-efficient rather than the aerodynamics of a bus shelter.
How do you know the S14a has cr*p aerodynamics? AFAIK no-one on here knows its CD?
If you DO know PLEASE tell me.....
its possible to calculate it with the use of an AP22 providing you know the exact mass...
MattyGee
13-02-2003, 18:32
Ripper and JB - :D :D :D
crazy_eddie
13-02-2003, 18:57
Originally posted by Ripper
And used less fuel;)
Bizzarre as this may be if I run my S13 on my spare SE stage something chipped ECU my fuel economy drops to around 23 mpg (from 27) no matter how I drive.
My Z does 25 (best woz 28 with cruise on) to the gallon most of the time and 21 if I do regular HWH meets in it :D :D
My S13 never fails leave a grin on my face so it's good swapping between the two.
S13 better for fast getaways and bendy roads, Z32 good for A127/A130/A12 after 23:00 ;)
AshT_200
13-02-2003, 19:01
Originally posted by crazy_eddie
S13 better for fast getaways and bendy roads, Z32 good for A127/A130/A12 after 23:00 ;)
Still got to the A12 before you ;)
crazy_eddie
13-02-2003, 21:12
Originally posted by AshT_200
Still got to the A12 before you ;)
He He :cool:
PazzaAE86
13-02-2003, 21:36
Just for Ripper.... I can now safely say, having raced Standard S13's and driven a standard S14 for myself............
That my FRONT WHEEL DRIVE Starlet was quicker. By a margin. Tadaaa! Faster, no but we can ignore that bit ;)
Paz
Originally posted by Ripper
S13: Sleek performance coupe
S14: A car with a boot
:D
I meant 0-60 etc...
you're just scared that I'll whup you ass...
FAO Pazza and Starionman:
I am mind-blowingly confident that my (not quite standard;) ) smelly tree adorned power machine would see you both off.:p
Although I couldn't quite see off AMDs Suburu Legacy Twin Turbo Estate jobby at the weekend. Mmmm.......
PS Pazza: If you want to talk about Bouncing all over the shop I can bring the Punto along and show you what REAL lack of traction is all about :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:D
Originally posted by Starionman
I meant 0-60 etc...
you're just scared that I'll whup you ass...
I would have thought he'd be worried your car would be quicker than his .... ;):p :p
Chris_Lacey
14-02-2003, 16:39
S14 : Nissans answer to a Mondeo
S14a : Nissans answer to a 406.
S13 Pre: Nissans totally original answer to Knightrider.
S13 Post: Nissans truely awsome effort to escape the 80's.
Basically, the S13 is gorgeous, the S14 is a Saloon car :)
I had an S13 once you know, it was quite fast..
Fast? Ah yes, I remember speed... :(
:D :D :D
so no-one will admit to figures... hmm interesting...
perhaps you are all in Starion denial... ;)
I actually have tears of laughter rolling down my face at this thread :D:D:D:D:D
Originally posted by Chris_Lacey
S14 : Nissans answer to a Mondeo
S14a : Nissans answer to a 406.
S13 Pre: Nissans totally original answer to Knightrider.
S13 Post: Nissans truely awsome effort to escape the 80's.
Basically, the S13 is gorgeous, the S14 is a Saloon car :)
Chris, I feel I must protest strongly about the inaccuracies in your comments but, as there aren't any, I won't!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D and :D
Originally posted by Starionman
.......perhaps you are all in Starion denial... ;)
I can imagine being sat in front of my Doctor: "Mr.Ripper, I am afraid you are suffering from Starion Denial. Have a month off and lie down in a dark room for a couple of days".
:D :D :D
Originally posted by Ripper
FAO Pazza and Starionman:
I am mind-blowingly confident that my (not quite standard;) ) smelly tree adorned power machine would see you both off.:p
Although I couldn't quite see off AMDs Suburu Legacy Twin Turbo Estate jobby at the weekend. Mmmm.......
:D
I couldn't see off one of those twins either :(
ANd my clutch is slipping ATM so I have to be nice...
One day Mr Ripper. On the track. Before the Christmas tree. You and me. The winner gets a big slab of choccie. The loser has to buy it...
Do we have a challenge?
Originally posted by Starionman
I couldn't see off one of those twins either :(
ANd my clutch is slipping ATM so I have to be nice...
One day Mr Ripper. On the track. Before the Christmas tree. You and me. The winner gets a big slab of choccie. The loser has to buy it...
Do we have a challenge?
We do.
I'll probably be retired by the time we get round to it but it's the principal that counts!
PS Did you want me to bring the 200 as well or just the Punto?;) :D :D :D :D
Originally posted by Ripper
We do.
I'll probably be retired by the time we get round to it but it's the principal that counts!
PS Did you want me to bring the 200 as well or just the Punto?;) :D :D :D :D
Better bring the Punto as a launch vehicle for the 200 or as an object for me to drive around to give you a fair fighting chance
;)
:D
Originally posted by Starionman
Better bring the Punto as a launch vehicle for the 200 or as an object for me to drive around to give you a fair fighting chance
;)
:D
Does that include driving round it with the doors OPEN?
"Launch Vehicle"......LOL
More like 'Lunch Vehicle'.....:D :D :D
Originally posted by Ripper
Does that include driving round it with the doors OPEN?
"Launch Vehicle"......LOL
More like 'Lunch Vehicle'.....:D :D :D
Yeah, OK, give you a little more of a chance
You are SOOOOOO generous, Starionman!
How many Gee-Gee's is your beasty kicking out, then?
Just in case I need to slam the Punto into third, you understand.......
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