View Full Version : Does Saphire Blue colour match well?
doninphi
22-05-2007, 21:32
One for anyone who knows sprayers, or who has had their saphire blue sx sprayed!
I've got an s14a, in the dark saphire blue, want a few bits respraying but may leave them alone if peeps say a colour match is rock hard, I hate it when a car doesnt match in differing lights. (I'm gonna pay to have it done.)
Gonna get the rear bumper done anyway as the colour match on it is naff (must have been resprayed cheap) which is why I am worrying about the front which I'd like redone too, aswell as the bonnet, and possibly a door.
Shit I should just get the whole thing done!
I'm guessing that would be ALOT tho! If I was going to do that, I'd go Khumo black! ;)
mestew87
22-05-2007, 22:44
I think most sapphire blues have a mismatch with the rear bumper, i take it yours is a shade darker than the rest of the body
With almost all of the S14/a colours, the rear bumper colour appears mismatched, especially over time. One of the give aways that a car has been in an accident and had the rear bumper replaced/sprayed is matching paint :wack:
any decent shop will have a flip pad or analyser and match the colour.
Mines had a fair bit of paint and match's were fine
wutang200
23-05-2007, 09:44
I doubt many bodyshops will match the colour as nearly every bodyshop in Preston I got quotes to spray my bonnet said they'd need to do my front wings too for a good colour match, which ended up costing me a small fortune :(
With almost all of the S14/a colours, the rear bumper colour appears mismatched, especially over time. One of the give aways that a car has been in an accident and had the rear bumper replaced/sprayed is matching paint :wack:
Spot on :nod:
Its pearlescent paint therefore very hard to match.
Smart-Tech
23-05-2007, 10:25
There is nothing difficult in matching pearlescent paints. Saphire blue has about 6 shades and usually shade 3 or 4 is the one. The others seem to come out dark and red. A decent paint supplier will be able to supply you with the correct shade if you take the car to them.
So your saying the bumpers should match the rest of car then?
Smart-Tech
23-05-2007, 10:42
So your saying the bumpers should match the rest of car then?
With modern paint systems the whole car should be the same colour. The same lacquer is applied to the whole car and it would be the lacquer that would age. Fresh paint will always look better than original as the surface has not aged or weathered but will blend given time. The worst colour is S14A burgundy as it has only 1 variant which always comes out a bit light to the car when going edge to edge with another panel. The only way to resolve it would be colour match by eye.
Smart-Tech
23-05-2007, 10:45
I doubt many bodyshops will match the colour as nearly every bodyshop in Preston I got quotes to spray my bonnet said they'd need to do my front wings too for a good colour match, which ended up costing me a small fortune :(
They will blend the wing tops and re lacquer to deceive the eye of any mis match in the base colours. This is what any decent shop would do.
Paranoid
23-05-2007, 12:56
I had my front bumper, both front wings, bonnet and rear bumper re-sprayed, and the colour match is spot on. :thumbs:
Like most things....you get what you pay for. :nod:
dan mkii
23-05-2007, 14:05
had my front and rear bumpers done and they didnt match atall!
They will blend the wing tops and re lacquer to deceive the eye of any mis match in the base colours. This is what any decent shop would do.
But under direct sunlight, halogen light or street light its obvious :nod:
When I eventually get around to picking up a JDM ass for my car, I'm having it matched to the paint. I don't care if it makes people think it's been rear ended, I cannot be doing with the mismatch!
Smart-Tech
23-05-2007, 14:42
But under direct sunlight, halogen light or street light its obvious :nod:
What you are describing is a metamarism. The human eye will not detect this under any light if it is blended correctly. Sorry but you get what you pay for.
What you are describing is a metamarism. The human eye will not detect this under any light if it is blended correctly. Sorry but you get what you pay for.
Agreed - which is why I am doing all my own painting from now on :)
What you are describing is a metamarism. The human eye will not detect this under any light if it is blended correctly. Sorry but you get what you pay for.
I take it you're a sprayer then? Out of curiosity how much would a good quality matched job be for a rear bumper do you reckon? I'm not getting one done yet I'd just be interested to get a job that matches. The finish on my current bumper is flawless but it's slightly off colour, then again it cost me £20 to spray at a reputable shop, I just guessed at the paint :wack:
I take it you're a sprayer then? Out of curiosity how much would a good quality matched job be for a rear bumper do you reckon? I'm not getting one done yet I'd just be interested to get a job that matches. The finish on my current bumper is flawless but it's slightly off colour, then again it cost me £20 to spray at a reputable shop, I just guessed at the paint :wack:
For a proper job... £300 + :nod:
Most of the time the paint tends to be lower down on the priorities when doing a repair... but i agree you do get what you pay for. But i do know that you can still get what i would consider to be excellent paint jobs done for reasonable money providing you are not absolutely anal about having a perfect match. Some colors are easier than others to match in but i think sapphire blue is a more tricky one due to the purple flip in there. Most people wouldnt know the extra money had been spent on getting a concours finish..and at the end of the day sooner or later is going to get marked and need doing again so its wasted money in my opinion. Drive the car and enjoy it :thumbs:
doninphi
23-05-2007, 16:38
Most of the time the paint tends to be lower down on the priorities when doing a repair... but i agree you do get what you pay for. But i do know that you can still get what i would consider to be excellent paint jobs done for reasonable money providing you are not absolutely anal about having a perfect match. Some colors are easier than others to match in but i think sapphire blue is a more tricky one due to the purple flip in there. Most people wouldnt know the extra money had been spent on getting a concours finish..and at the end of the day sooner or later is going to get marked and need doing again so its wasted money in my opinion. Drive the car and enjoy it :thumbs:
You could be right!
However I may be getting a rear bumper and spats when Mantachris gets rid of his, and they are Khumo black, so while spraying them I might get a few other bits tidied.
My door has a big mark down it, like it's been opened into a moving wall! Was there when I got it so I cant complain but would still like it sorting!
Thanks for the replies! Will go see a body shop when the time comes!
Cheers
PHil.
Smart-Tech
23-05-2007, 16:50
Pearl colours contain pearlescent tints but most pearlescent are off white in appearance. The difficulty with BN6 is it contains a high proportion of violet for a blue and the violet tends to cover the pearl effect. I have found that the best results are obtained when using the palest shade as it contains far less violet. I am a painter and anyone charging £300+ for a bumper won't be in business very long. A decent shop would charge about £200.
Well thats what a BMW Bodyshop wanted when I asked ;)
Spot on :nod:
Its pearlescent paint therefore very hard to match.
It was more to do with Nissan being crap at painting plastic :wack:
mestew87
23-05-2007, 22:07
I had heard the plastics are painted in a different department to the rest of the car, thus meaning a totally different batch of paint
I am a painter and anyone charging £300+ for a bumper won't be in business very long. A decent shop would charge about £200.
I was going to say, fook £300 to have ONE bumper painted. lol. £200 I could live with for a matched job, I'm aiming for a JDM rear and some form of wrap around spats, but I want it to match the body
I know someone who paid £700 to have a bumper done... it was A1... obviously ;)
Badasssx
24-05-2007, 08:53
lol... That somebody obviously had there pants down ;) ...
lol... That somebody obviously had there pants down ;) ...
Agreed. Pass round that ass because he's clearly dosey. That's just excessive IMO. £200 I can handle, anymore is just :ghey:
Put it this way... having seen a £200 bumper job myself I'd spend a bit more as I am a fussy git ;)
Put it this way... having seen a £200 bumper job myself I'd spend a bit more as I am a fussy git ;)
I don't understand why. Body and Tuning painted my bumper for me for £20 as a favour to me. Like I said, the colour match isn't 100% but that's only because I guessed at the paint.
The finish, well, I haven't found a mark or imperfection in it yet. And this isn't clever camera work:
http://www.piman2k.com/images/Misc/100206/rear2.jpg
You have to draw a line at where to stop spending silly money on simple jobs I think.
Badasssx
24-05-2007, 09:02
I can imagine the job is fantastic and we all know how very particular you are but...... Theres still noway id pay £700 for a bumper to be sprayed.
Imagine if you did the front AND rear :wack:
Most people will agree a good FULL paint job is around 1500-2k and that involves ALOT more work, time and paint...
Id expect a good result for £200ish and a top notch job for £300 Max
I wouldnt pay £700 either ;)
I'd say around £300 would get a spot on job... £200 is ball park but likely to be a back street bodyshop... I had my front bumper done by a 'mate' (now ex-mate) for £150 and the job was absolute shit...
Landed up sorting it myself in the end...
Well I disagree. I think £300 is overkill to spray a piece of plastic. And I think most folk would agree for cars that are driven daily. I'm going to take some bumper shots when I get home to show you why it's not all about spending the most possible money
wutang200
24-05-2007, 09:48
For a proper job... £300 + :nod:
Feck :eek: That's too much for just a rear bumper :rolleyes:
To be honest, any decent bodyshop should be able to do a 'proper' job and not charge that much :rolleyes:
The worst is when they can't get the colour to match and charge you loads more just to get it right :mad: :annoyed:
I dont understand why you lot all think bodyshops should do stuff like this cheaply...
Add up:
- Cost of removing bumper and stripping it down
- Cost of materials, paints, etc
- Time taken to prepare a bumper and paint it
Put it this way I wouldnt spray a bumper for what some of you are prepared to pay :)
It makes me admire some of the guys who do jobs like this for £100...
I dont understand why you lot all think bodyshops should do stuff like this cheaply...
Add up:
- Cost of removing bumper and stripping it down
- Cost of materials, paints, etc
- Time taken to prepare a bumper and paint it
I'm talking only about spraying it. I provided my bumper to my bodyshop unfitted and they refitted it for me kindly off their own backs. Paint to do a bumper, I wouldn't have thought you'd need a lot if we're being honest.
Either way, we're not going to agree on this. £300 is too much to spray a back bumper. £200 is acceptable but it had better be an amazing job. £100 is what I was quoted by Body and Tuning before I pulled in a couple of favours. And that, IMO, is the norm.
wutang200
24-05-2007, 10:04
I dont understand why you lot all think bodyshops should do stuff like this cheaply...
But it's only the rear bumper and not multiple panels :whip:
doninphi
24-05-2007, 15:20
But it's only the rear bumper and not multiple panels :whip:
I agree in a way, but like dentists, they can charge what they want!
wutang200
24-05-2007, 15:21
I agree in a way, but like dentists, they can charge what they want!
Daylight robbery if you ask me :annoyed:
Smart-Tech
24-05-2007, 15:39
It doesn't matter if its a bmw or bugatti badge outside the shop. The materials used are probably lower quality than what I use. I use Dupont, the best. Material cost would be about £100 on the outside. 1 hour to remove and replace and 1.5 hours paint. All in 2.5 hours does not equate to £200 labour. That is Thatcham estimated times to do the job. Sorry but £300 is way over the top. Lookers used to charge £185 + VAT and that was a Saab approved bodyshop.
LK Drifter
24-05-2007, 19:29
Dupont the best?:wack: Dupont is good, but the best, I dont think so. Glasurit and ICI are a better product in many ways.
I dont know what you guys in vans charge to do bumper corners or even complete bumpers, but the only way to do a proper job as far as im concerned is in an oven. We stripped, painted and re-fitted a Porsche bumper today and that was Roundabout £300.
Smart-Tech
24-05-2007, 19:47
Dupont the best?:wack: Dupont is good, but the best, I dont think so. Glasurit and ICI are a better product in many ways.
I dont know what you guys in vans charge to do bumper corners or even complete bumpers, but the only way to do a proper job as far as im concerned is in an oven. We stripped, painted and re-fitted a Porsche bumper today and that was Roundabout £300. I take it you are using solvent borne then as ICI don't make waterbase. It's Nexa Autocolour. You obviously didn't read the post too well as I used to work in a SAAB approved bodyshop. Let me ask you a question
Have Nexa got a match for Vauxhall Aruba blue yet?
Over 20 years experience says Dupont as the technical backup is superb. Another note would be you obviously don't like Smart Repairers who happen to work on vans. More than a few people on the SXOC can vouch for what I have done. With a 3 year guarantee.
More than a few people on the SXOC can vouch for what I have done. With a 3 year guarantee.
Rob was the first person I went to when I needed a job, having seen his work on other cars already. :nod:
LK Drifter
24-05-2007, 20:22
Easy tiger, I've been painting cars for the best part of 20yrs and I now own two Smart Repair and Paintwork centers, Although LittleKnocks started life in 1999 as a Smart repair company working from three vans. So, I have nothing against van based repairers as I did it myself for over three years and we still have a van on the road (Gary) who uses Dupont, Im not saying you dont do a good job, its just I'm fully aware of how good the end results are working in a van with Dupont.
We use PPG Water based paints with HS clear in the paintshop and I would say that was on par with Dupont, but its not as good as ICI (Nexa) or Glasurit.
What clear do you use? Surely your not useing 2k outside are you.
Edit to say, When I said I dont know what you guys in vans charge to do bumpers, I was referring to retail price as our van based Smart repairer only does trade work at trade price. I was also in no way trying to put you guys down.
Smart-Tech
24-05-2007, 20:44
Easy tiger, I've been painting cars for the best part of 20yrs and I now own two Smart Repair and Paintwork centers, Although LittleKnocks started life in 1999 as a Smart repair company working from three vans. So, I have nothing against van based repairers as I did it myself for over three years and we still have a van on the road (Gary) who uses Dupont, Im not saying you dont do a good job, its just I'm fully aware of how good the end results are working in a van with Dupont.
We use PPG Water based paints with HS clear in the paintshop and I would say that was on par with Dupont, but its not as good as ICI (Nexa) or Glasurit.
What clear do you use? Surely your not useing 2k outside are you.
Edit to say, When I said I dont know what you guys in vans charge to do bumpers, I was referring to retail work as our van based Smart repairer only does trade at a trade price. I was also in no way trying to put you guys down.
I use Dupont Cromax WB basecoat and HS clear with DOE and HSE approval. It's funny how things have changed since compliance. :thumbs:
I used to use Nexa and Dupont in the shop and found Dupont to offer better coverage and tech support. :thumbs:
karl elwell
24-05-2007, 20:49
Heres a pic of my painted front bumper. I did notice a darker shade to it after it was painted, but i thought its down to the rest of the paint has done 175k.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f25/karl200sx/100_1754.jpg
LK Drifter
24-05-2007, 20:53
I think most approved coatings are a very high standard, I suppose Its down to opinion really and what product suits you best.
I first started useing ICI Aquabase in 1994 and back then it was crap. Then a few years later I was useing Glasurit HydroColour (90 line), and that was crap when it first came out, but as the years have gone by and paint companys have invested loads of money into there products, they've got better and better.
swiftysgti
24-05-2007, 21:04
the bumpers will look slightly off colour because your spraying plastic not metal, most cars straight from the factory will be slightly different anyway!
LK Drifter
24-05-2007, 21:08
the bumpers will look slightly off colour because your spraying plastic not metal, most cars straight from the factory will be slightly different anyway!
Sorry dude, thats incorrect. It wont make any difference what substrate your painting, if the colours right it will match.
Smart-Tech
24-05-2007, 21:16
Sorry dude, thats incorrect. It wont make any difference what substrate your painting, if the colours right it will match.
I would agree. The substrate doesn't make a difference.
swiftysgti
24-05-2007, 21:18
well you need to tell that to honda then cus theres dont mach and nissan red 100sx that the wife had from new was the same, also toyota supra from new !!!!
LK Drifter
24-05-2007, 21:59
I think what happens is some manufactures take bumpers and plastic parts of the shelf at point of manufacture and are not painted with the vehicles. However, I dont think this is the case with all manufactures.
swiftysgti
24-05-2007, 22:04
its a pain because when you do the works on some cars and they are gleaming the mismatch really stands out !!!!
lol
wutang200
24-05-2007, 22:35
So back to the original question:
Does the sapphire blue colour match ok without having to spray/lacquer extra panels in the process :confused:
How much would I be looking at to have a Kouki spoiler sprayed?
Would the boot lid need to also be sprayed to get the colour to match with the new spoiler?
LK Drifter
24-05-2007, 23:13
It can depend on what paint manufacture is used when painting your car and how many shades are available, Just because it might match with one make of paint doesn't mean it will match with another. Whoever paints your car may paint test cards to make sure of the shade, but lazy people tend to go for the No.1 shade to save time.
However, the only way to get a 100% colour match is to blend.
Smart-Tech
25-05-2007, 07:40
Honda supply the bumpers for the Civic body coloured. The worst one used to be satin silver.
Saphire blue is renowned for being difficult but their are worse.
It can depend on what paint manufacture is used when painting your car and how many shades are available, Just because it might match with one make of paint doesn't mean it will match with another. Whoever paints your car may paint test cards to make sure of the shade, but lazy people tend to go for the No.1 shade to save time.
However, the only way to get a 100% colour match is to blend.
What about using paint cards and a 3M Sun Gun for matching?
Will this work?
Smart-Tech
28-05-2007, 23:45
What about using paint cards and a 3M Sun Gun for matching?
Will this work?
Good quality daylight is better.
doninphi
29-05-2007, 12:10
Man I've started a moster of a thread!
Thanks for all the input, I'll ask the place how they intend to match it, quiz them! he he he.
Cheers!
Phil.
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