View Full Version : PTFE based wax - keeps the car clean for up to a year
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 15:01
I came across this by accident. It uses nano technology and PTFE (Teflon) to protect paintwork, alloys etc. Its also water repellent so can be used on things like tents, sails etc. The rolling ability of the teflon molecule means that things slip off such as bird poo, etc. Plus, being teflon, you can cook on your bonnet on very hot days but remember to use a plastic spatula. :D
http://www.eurochem.co.uk/index.php
If anyone is interested!
Why doesnt the teflon slip off your car if it is so slippery ... how do they make one side sticky and the other side not ? ....
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 15:20
For the same reason it doesn't slide off your non-stick frying pan. The surface of the paint is very rough when you are down at the size of these particles 10 -9 metres (I can't do superscript) so they fall in the holes.
Smoothound
29-03-2007, 15:28
Swissol do a PTFE wax too :nod:
I decided to go with good old Carnauba though :)
Swissol do a PTFE wax too :nod:
I decided to go with good old Carnauba though :)
Its called Swissvaux :p
Best of Show is THE best wax I have used to date... :)
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 15:35
The benefit as far as I am concerned is that you only have to do it once a year and hose it down occasionally. That's my idea of cleaning cars.
Scott have you tried Meguiars gold class wax? I bought some last week by accident was supposed to buy the car wash!
If its teflon will it stop paint getting discoloured due to the sun and heat??
:thumbs:
The benefit as far as I am concerned is that you only have to do it once a year and hose it down occasionally. That's my idea of cleaning cars.
No such thing exists :thumbs:
For the same reason it doesn't slide off your non-stick frying pan. The surface of the paint is very rough when you are down at the size of these particles 10 -9 metres (I can't do superscript) so they fall in the holes.
Wrong... Non-stick frying pans USED to be made by sand blasting the metal to create peaks and troughs to give the PTFE something to cling to. Unfortunately, the PTFE wore off the peaks pretty quickly.
Nowadays, the majority are done like:
The frying-pan engineers added a sticky molecule to the non-stick molecule. Non-stick is now applied in coats, with the bottom coat containing the sticky additive that held to both the metal pan and the non-stick molecules. A coat of non-sticky non-stick went over that, non-stick and non-stick clinging together lovingly. A final non-stick layer, spiked with teensy bits of ceramic or other tougheners, protected the softer guts.
Although DuPont have gone one stage further:
In this method, which DuPont calls "smooth technology," new-and-improved sticky molecules in the primer coat sink as the pan bakes and chemically lock themselves to smooth, unmolested metal. The upper layers fuse together better, and you get a tougher pan.
Unfortunately, apparently even the toughest non-stick coatings aren't particularly tough - so I can't imagine that coating a car in PTFE would make much difference, long term.
Also, I can't imagine that using a polish with PTFE in it would be any better than using a decent polish followed by a decent wax.
Finally, PTFE is naturally white, not clear... So how little must be in the polish when each of the 3 coatings on frying pans are about one one-thousandth of an inch thick and still have to be coloured so we don't have white frying pans?
Yes I'm bored. :D
Scott have you tried Meguiars gold class wax? I bought some last week by accident was supposed to buy the car wash!
Yup ... years ago... its not a great product imaho... very dusty and difficult to remove...
Wrong... Non-stick frying pans USED to be made by sand blasting the metal to create peaks and troughs to give the PTFE something to cling to. Unfortunately, the PTFE wore off the peaks pretty quickly.
Nowadays, the majority are done like:
Although DuPont have gone one stage further:
Unfortunately, apparently even the toughest non-stick coatings aren't particularly tough - so I can't imagine that coating a car in PTFE would make much difference, long term.
Also, I can't imagine that using a polish with PTFE in it would be any better than using a decent polish followed by a decent wax.
Finally, PTFE is naturally white, not clear... So how little must be in the polish when each of the 3 coatings on frying pans are about one one-thousandth of an inch thick and still have to be coloured so we don't have white frying pans?
Yes I'm bored. :D
Absolutely spot on that man :D
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 15:55
If its teflon will it stop paint getting discoloured due to the sun and heat??
:thumbs:
Yes - its one of the main benefits.
My initial interest was the protection of the uppers on boats as they tend to go matt after a few years due to UV etc.
Incidentally, the level of UV we now receive in this country during the summer is the same as it was in Provence, france 10 years ago. That came from the upvc window association last summer (in the FT) who are now concerned as the british standard for the frames is way too low.
most waxes say they contain teflon, its a great and makes your car last for 100 years.
did you know that you can buy vitamin shampoos that the vitamins and mixaglutamates absorb and bond into your hair to make it stronger then steel with an extra shine, the vitamins also absorb into your brain making you super intelligent so you can go out and buy teflon wax.
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 15:58
I'll buy some and let you know!
The idea of washing and waxing cars more than twice a year has never appealed to me so this seems like an ideal solution (so to speak) :D .
Just looked a bit further into the product mentioned and basically its a glorified paint sealant like Jewel Ultra Diamondbrite...
Once the car has been treated you have to wash it with the shampoo that comes with the kit then the 'conserver' to maintain the protection of the sealant...
If you follow the instructions carefully then yes it will do the job but dont expect miracles or shiny paintwork...
Better still would be detailed paintwork by a pro that you maintain yourself every six months by giving it a quick 20 min wax that will look excellent and provide better protection than product mentioned.
I have a few Diamondbrite kits if anyone wants them... I wont use them on customers cars as they are shite :wack:
But new car owners get ripped off to the tune of £300 - £400 for their new pride and joy to be 'Diamondbrited' ... easy money imaho ...
I'm willing to make a bet - washing my car, polishing it with Autoglym Super Resin and waxing it with Swissol wax will protect a car for longer than washing it and polishing/waxing with this PTFE stuff. :nod:
most waxes say they contain teflon, its a great and makes your car last for 100 years.
did you know that you can buy vitamin shampoos that the vitamins and mixaglutamates absorb and bond into your hair to make it stronger then steel with an extra shine, the vitamins also absorb into your brain making you super intelligent so you can go out and buy teflon wax.
PMSL :D
I'm willing to make a bet - washing my car, polishing it with Autoglym Super Resin and waxing it with Swissol wax will protect a car for longer than washing it and polishing/waxing with this PTFE stuff. :nod:
Ditching the AG SRP and using the Swissol Cleaning fluid instead will make the finish last even longer ;)
Ditching the AG SRP and using the Swissol Cleaning fluid instead will make the finish last even longer ;)
I knew you'd say that ;)
Incidentally, the level of UV we now receive in this country during the summer is the same as it was in Provence, france 10 years ago. That came from the upvc window association last summer (in the FT) who are now concerned as the british standard for the frames is way too low.
You almost sound like you are selling something Allan ......... ;)
I knew you'd say that ;)
:D
Then do it... but do you know why?
Nope, I don't know why, it's supposed to be a better product and it costs lots more so it's bound to give me the placebo affect that it's better than cheapo Autoglym!
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 16:10
a) no, I don't sell double glazing as I don't have wedge shaped feet
b) regarding cleaning cars, I have a low threshold of boredom
Warning H20 it causes cancer.
Dihydrogen monoxide is polluting the earth in porportions you couldnt even imagine.
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 16:16
Warning H20 it causes cancer.
Dihydrogen monoxide is polluting the earth in porportions you couldnt even imagine.
Does this mean that a heavy water drinker likes Dideuterium monoxide or Ditritium monoxide
liquidsmoke
29-03-2007, 16:17
My car hasn't been washed since november so I think after my usual squirt of washing up liquid in a bucket with water (sorry 'dihydro monoxide') method; it will look relatively amazing.
Nope, I don't know why, it's supposed to be a better product and it costs lots more so it's bound to give me the placebo affect that it's better than cheapo Autoglym!
AGP SRP contains acrylic resin that 'fills' in scratches / swirls / etc... so any wax you put on top of this will have a limited lifespan as it wont be able to bond very well to the paintwork... AG EGP is designed just for this...
Hence using the cleaner fluid will 'prep' the paintwork ready for the wax and ensure the wax bonds well and lasts a long time :)
Had a customer bring his BMW over last night for a quick wash that had been treated to cleaner fluid + BoS wax... even after six weeks and over 3000 miles once washed it looked like it had just been waxed :D
So scott, is diamondbrite shit then?
also what would you suggest for me to use as a wax then on my car? I have that bonsun stuff at the mo and that seems to work well.
Whats the correct way wash,clay,wax,polish???
So scott, is diamondbrite shit then?
also what would you suggest for me to use as a wax then on my car? I have that bonsun stuff at the mo and that seems to work well.
Whats the correct way wash,clay,wax,polish???
Most of this is in my trade thread :p
A basic wax for your car: Swissol Onyx :thumbs:
Correct Method:
Wash
Clay
Polish
Glaze
Sealant
Wax
:thumbs:
Most of this is in my trade thread :p
A basic wax for your car: Swissol Onyx :thumbs:
Correct Method:
Wash
Clay
Polish
Glaze
Sealant
Wax
:thumbs:
Glaze... Glaze... fcuking glaze... you mean to tell me I've spent days cleaning my car and I've missed a bloody step out :annoyed: :rant: :cry: what is the Glaze stage when it's at home and what does it do :confused:
Glaze... Glaze... fcuking glaze... you mean to tell me I've spent days cleaning my car and I've missed a bloody step out :annoyed: :rant: :cry: what is the Glaze stage when it's at home and what does it do :confused:
I think it's when you beat an egg then paint it on with a soft brush. Saw it on Ready, Steady Cook today :)
Allan whoops
29-03-2007, 18:29
Most of this is in my trade thread :p
A basic wax for your car: Swissol Onyx :thumbs:
Correct Method:
Wash
Clay
Polish
Glaze
Sealant
Wax
:thumbs:
so how long does this take and how often should one do this process????
ashley_dude
29-03-2007, 18:33
never knew there was so much involved in washin your car,but as long as it looks spanking i guess thats all that counts,i thought a good ol spit polish would of done :thumbs:
Now you can see there is a little more to it than a quick polish with a rag and some turtle wax :p
A glaze is full of oils that give a nice wet look to the finish you have created... excellent to add that bit extra on dark coloured cars...
For the full process as I mention above... once a year... then maintain the finish with wax once every six weeks...
When washing... dry with a MF towel and some quick detailer... for a nice fresh waxed look :D
Looks like I need to do some more demos ;)
Megs #7....I learned this the other day...
Bootlid....
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/ian_Rag/IMG_0477.jpg
Stripey car, but you get the idea....
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/ian_Rag/IMG_0483.jpg
Theres some good info on tims' forum, where i started to get my stuff from....(http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/forum/index.php)
Not that i'm saying that anyones info here isnt great.....oh you know what i mean.....Merlot is my friend....:D
:D
Most of this is in my trade thread :p
A basic wax for your car: Swissol Onyx :thumbs:
Correct Method:
Wash
Clay
Polish
Glaze
Sealant
Wax
:thumbs:
How much would this cost approximately to buy all together?
How much would this cost approximately to buy all together?
Depends on the products but anything between £100-£200 including cloths, wash mitts, etc...
Lamswool washmitt too...:nod:
Best buy i've done in ages....soooo much nicer....:D
eurochem
05-04-2007, 19:50
Why doesnt the teflon slip off your car if it is so slippery ... how do they make one side sticky and the other side not ? ....
Hello
The Teflon content is suspended in a mix of over 21 various resins and other bits and bobs. Within the Teflon mixture contains etching agents that react when the product get air cured, therefor they will adhere to the surface then attract the Teflon suspension to bond to the painted surface. PTFE comes in many formats and isn't naturally white as one poster sugests, the PTFE that we purchase is a liquid format. Any idea that PTFE require 400 degrees of heat to bond is a myth, modern raw materials are advanced enough to work at an ambient temperature.
Hope this helps with your sticky side up issue.
Support Team
www.eurochem.co.uk
The Teflon content is suspended in a mix of over 21 various resins and other bits and bobs. Within the Teflon mixture contains etching agents that react when the product get air cured, therefor they will adhere to the surface then attract the Teflon suspension to bond to the painted surface. PTFE comes in many formats and isn't naturally white as one poster sugests, the PTFE that we purchase is a liquid format. Any idea that PTFE require 400 degrees of heat to bond is a myth, modern raw materials are advanced enough to work at an ambient temperature.
So essentially, your product has to eat into the surface of the paint to ensure the Teflon can bond properly? Not something I want to happen to the surface of my car, thanks. :no: :indiff:
Also, for your information:
PTFE is a white solid at room temperature [...] according to DuPont its melting point is 327 °C
So I'm sticking with PTFE being naturally white. :p
eurochem
06-04-2007, 13:24
So essentially, your product has to eat into the surface of the paint to ensure the Teflon can bond properly? Not something I want to happen to the surface of my car, thanks. :no: :indiff:
Also, for your information:
So I'm sticking with PTFE being naturally white. :p
Hello
You appear to already have all the answers !!! Which format of PTFE are you refering to. The word you use to describe "Eat into the surface" is a little OTT, if you do a little more research on what you are trying to describe you will find out that PTFE isnt the only product in PTFE waxes and PTFE doesnt actually do much at all other than help other chemical resins do their job.
Support Team
You appear to already have all the answers !!! Which format of PTFE are you refering to. The word you use to describe "Eat into the surface" is a little OTT, if you do a little more research on what you are trying to describe you will find out that PTFE isnt the only product in PTFE waxes and PTFE doesnt actually do much at all other than help other chemical resins do their job.
No offence or anything, but in your own words:
the Teflon mixture contains etching agents
Etching is eating into the surface. So not OTT at all.
eurochem
17-04-2007, 21:22
No offence or anything, but in your own words:
Etching is eating into the surface. So not OTT at all.
Etching agents that bond with each other at a base level but not actually etching the paint, however I see that the wording I gave may not have been as clear as it could have been.
I just know I'll regret this later, but what wording IS as clear as it could have been ?
I'm all for a product that gets used once and still looks great months later, but am a sceptic.
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