View Full Version : My RB20DET S13 build up
well i should have done this ages ago but i just never got round to it, its a project threa but i think you have to be a member to post there, which i will do but i just havent got round to it,
years ago i had a mate with a grey s13 pre facelift, he was always had better cars than us (better off parents lol) and ever since i sat in one i wanted one so much,
a good few years later i got myself a grey facelift, unfortunately it was a bit of a nail under all its shiney bits, so i got rid of it about 2 years ago,
and craved another one ever since, so i did it, and here goes my s13s story,
got home from work after one late shift and saw it on ebay and saw a tatty looking black facelift that needed some cosmetic work but was mechanically sound and already was stage 1. so i emailed the bloke and said i want it when can i collect,
that weekend i got the train to salasibury from plymouth and drove it home, was faultless, and i remembered why i loved them so much.
this is as i bought it,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00300.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00297.jpg
i then got pissed watching the england game and decided it would be fun to ride my mini moto home, ufortunately taking it flat out with my head down set it in a speed wabble and threw me to the floor breaking my collar bone......... arse.
and the day after to make myself feel better i went out and got these wheels, they looked well sexy when they arrived and i got moaned at for ages when i decided to fit them with a buggered collar bone lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00305.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00308.jpg
and there it started, lol it then needed lowering more, but i was tempted with a FMIC from apex at a very good price, so it arrived and here it was fitted
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00063.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00087.jpg
next were the coilovers which unfortunately i was not happy with as it made the car dangerous to drive so they were soon sent back and replaced with an apex kit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00078.jpg
did look nice low with them tho
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00086.jpg
while waiting for the new coilovers to arrive i turned my attention to the engine bay, it was a bit of a pikey affair so i sorted it with some old samcos and stainless pipework i had in work.
to look like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00007.jpg
i wanted to change the interior from the bland standard seats and got a bargain on a full grey leather one with alcantara glovebox and doorcards
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00108-1.jpg
with somewhere nice to sit i wanted to start replacing all the suspensio parts, i had a sneaking suspision that the subframe bushes were on there way out so apex to the rescue again with some locking collars,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00141.jpg
i a great lover of ebay bargains, so i got these rather nice looking camber arms,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00005.jpg
the next bit was not so nice, i went to walk the dogs with some mates and tried to get into a carpark with a very very small brick speedbump on the entrance, (wembury carpark for those of you who live or know plymouth)
but as the carpark entrance was sloped the backbox clipped the bump and decided to remove itself, totally buggered it and that was something else i needed to replace, so got a complete xs power system for less than 300 quid delivered and have been extreamly happy with it ever since.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00136-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00137.jpg
new
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00145.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00138.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00153-1.jpg
by now the apex coilovers arrived
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00184.jpg
fitted and looking clean for once
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00158-1.jpg
being that im a toolmaker engineer i started to make my own stuff
strut brace
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00188-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00191-1.jpg
catch tank
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/oilcatchtank.jpg
and then braking more things
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00217.jpg
but making myself feel better by fitting the skyline callipers i got of a lad on here for a very good price, while i waited for the new wheen to arrive
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00206.jpg
after a few months of abuse the engine started to show its 120k miles,
one of the inlet valves started leaking, so i was down to 7bar compression on no3,
then the exhaust started blowing at the turbo due to the exhaust ding,
but it was more of a pain than that as two of the studs snapped on the turbo flange,
i decided to start collecting engine parts to replace my old ones,
but as we all do, one thing leads to another and what was going to be a head change and re gasket, became a full blown stage 3 + build,
the first thing was a standard head that i ported mildly (after scrapping a head in the past by going through the roof into the spring seat)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00253.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00254.jpg
skimmed it all up in work and mammouth on here who i got the head from re fitted the valves for me,
some more suspension parts then arrived
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00290-1.jpg
and fitted
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00294.jpg
and some engine parts arrived slowly
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07432.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07435.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07438.jpg
and made some spacers,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07434.jpg
here come some more home made goodies
made a custom inlet for the t28 i just bought
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/turboinlet.jpg
and i decided to bore out a standard tb as i had done it before on an old nova, worked a peach
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/throttlebodymachining1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07484.jpg
ive not got pics but i then got a z32 afm, 440cc injectors, HD stage 3 chip, full head gasket set, and a 1.9mm metal headgasket
and here it goes,
the top end engine build.
turbo off
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07508.jpg
head off
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07514.jpg
manifold off to show this,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07515.jpg
not good but deffo th cause of the leaky valve
there was a lot of blod sweat and tears in that last few pics but im sure some of you will know, and i wont bore the rest of ya with the pics of ho to loosen bastard bolts lol
i had some ebay verniers that ive had to mod to fit due to them beng a little to big, but they now do on the inlet side, (ideal due to having an exhaust cam to fit in the Inlet)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07516.jpg
going to fit one to the exhaust side but not untill i get some kind of stand allone ignition so i can remove the cambelt cover and cas.
i wanted to be able to adjust the exhaust cam for full gain but without removing the cover, so out came the CNC again and this was the final effect
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07512.jpg
with the head off i cleaned and painted the rocker covers but the best bit was the spark plug cover i made, i was well chuffed with it and cant wait to finish it for fitting,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07523.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07530.jpg
and reverse of above i refitted all the bits i had bought to look like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07528.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07533.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07532.jpg
and finally, ill end this (for now) thread with todays pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/stage3running.jpg
its running, and loads better than before too, not driven it yet but ill deffo keep this thread updated as the car progresses, there are other bits fitted to the car that i have not put up, (hard rack mounts etc) but i didnt have all night so this is a short overview of the last 10 months or so
hope you like
mushtafa
18-03-2007, 23:09
Very nice work mate
What was wrong with the K-sport coilovers? I have them on mine and they are excellent.
Excellent!, love the belt and cam covers :thumbs:
Shortcut
19-03-2007, 08:14
fantastic and a great thread too!
New200guy
19-03-2007, 11:29
you wanna fab up a few of those strut braces. i would be interested in one for the front an rear if the price is not too high.
Over that is some great metal work there.
Very nice indeed - I was dubious of the shiny pulleys till I saw the inlet cam pulley showing through :) Good job fella :thumbs:
id love to make up some strut braces and stuff but the time it takes it would just be easier and cheeper to get a pre made one.
my k-sport coilovers were mega bouncy, if i accelerated hard the rear bounced so hard sometimes you could see the revs rise and fall as it lost and gained traction,
handled a lot worse than the standard suspension did too,
ive just taken it for a drive and its got a little problem, basically it idles and starts really well and sounds fantastic, but if you rev it to hard it just splutters and misses, it will rev if you slowly ease the power in and sound fine when its there but im not sure what it can be,
what plugs do you guys think i should run for stage 3,. 7s or 8s, (ngk's) as the plugs were from my old head and may ahve given up while the head was being moved about and left in my shed, duno how but its a good opertunity to change them and re gapp to 0.8mm
other than that im stumped, maybe it does not like my new TB, or maybe the cam is causing problems, thing it that it was fine (ish) when it was cold and the warmer it got the worse the missing got,
any ideas
redsx94!
19-03-2007, 18:19
i had the same problem and the more i drove it the better it got. it done it after the apex front mount i put on. god knows.
i think ive just fund my problem, basically it looks like the turbo front has been of in the past, maybe for inspection, god knows, but it looks like the tabs that go under the bolts to hold the front on the turbo have been missed out, there was one on the top but not on the other 4 (out of 6) bolts, this means that the front of the tubo housing can ever so slightly move in ad out on the corners without these tabs, causing an air leak i think,
it makes sence as it drives as if you have an air leak, but on and off,
i noticed it when i moved a few pipes round and noticed the top turbo pipe was moving independantly of the exhasust manifold, gav i a closer look and hey presto its that,
arse, anyone know where you can get the tabs (they go between 2 bolts to hold the font of the turbo on) from or if its possible to use large washers to the same effect,
if you mean what i think you do the two your missing are the brackets that secured the original oil and water pipes. the compressor housing effectively can rotate as only held on with a snap ring. should be ok without them.
if im wrong though someone correct me please as i think im right but may be wrong, if you get me drift!
skip.
gangsta_goose
19-03-2007, 20:29
looking good! :D
thats a lot of good work man, well done !!
What are those rims you have on there mate very sexy :smitten:
they are kei racing rss's mate, i love them altho at only 7.5j they couls be alittle wider, i have 235s on the back buts its pushing it a bit width wise,
imwonering if i can just use washers to hold the core into the housing as it seems that the origional brackerts only do what a washer on the bolt would anyway, hope its not my new TB as i want to try and retain it just for the simple fact that it was a free mod and would be great if it worked
oh yeah, the other reason i thik it may be due to an air leak is that its sometimes ok and others not, as if the housing is moving slightly and causing the problem, it felt very very torquey wen i first pulled out the drive, but got progressively worse, maybe dut to the fact that the richer map used for cold running was compensating for the small air leak,
got to say tho, the motor sounded very very nice when it was running, even when just pulling away and reving on the spot, had a kinda powerful note about it, and the induction noise was much louder, the exhaust note even with the baffle in the tailpipe was very nice sounding too, even my misses commented on how nice it sounded,
may just be me not hearing a stage 3 set up before but it was deffo a competely different sounding engine,
kickingriffin
19-03-2007, 22:58
rip off the ac pump there well heavey!!!
yeah its looking well nice md im quite jelouse!!
kickingriffin
19-03-2007, 22:59
add me too msn:kickingriffin@aol.com
im going to be changing the air con pump soon cos the bearings are shot, and i want to use the air con in summer so its staying,
just got to sort out my idle overfueling problem and mot first lol
turbo tom
20-03-2007, 22:59
i missed the heatshield brackets off my 1st t28 and the compressor housing come off on the M55 on the way to a sxoc meet.
i made up some largeish washers which did the trick today
well to update, its all nearly there, i have had a few teething probs but nearly sorted,
need it setting up suspension wise and timing wise but other than that its sweet,
i have still got to leave the lamder sensor unplugged because for some reason its died in the head change, so is a little lumpy on idle but shit does it go, never been in a stage3 s13, or even a properly working stage2 as my old one was ass,
but this one does fly, =]
spins wheels in 2nd just in a strait line lol, and the pull in 4th is like 2nd, madness, cant wait for castle coombe this year,
hellfire
24-03-2007, 11:59
hay fella! lovly car, Black is definately the best colour and being a facelift :cool:
how easy was it to knock up that spark plug cover?
sweet ride mate! time and money well spent.
Cool thread - nice 2 c such enthusiasm and love 4 a 200SX.
...why not take off the front no. plate mount and attach plate directly to the body - looks more sleek and reduced length of the car.
cheers peeps, need to stop my downpipe gaskets from blowing all the time, its a little annoying to say the least,
took quite a while to make the plug cover mate, woul love to make more but its not viably poss mate, sorry
havent added any pics etc to this for ages, so here goes,
now im a member could a mod please move this to the projects section, :thumbs:
well i havent managed to track the car yet due to a few willy things and not having the cash,
oh and then this happened
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07621.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07616.jpg
the match between a 200 and a stone wall was not one made in heaven lol
back end came out on the way to work when i was in a hurry, fag in hand lol, and i just didnt catch it in time and into the wall it went, was only a very very gentle bump and the fact that the abs was trying to slow the car down i think contributed to the crash as it should have stopped well before it did,
so down to the scrappy and thanks to mammouth on here (sw mod) i managed to get some pannels, tried a pre face bumper but had a face too so used that in the end,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07625.jpg
because the ic was buggered i managed to get a bargain ebay one that was ideantical in every way to the origional apex one, but much cheaper, mated it to my pipework and bolted it up, hey presto im almost there,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07638.jpg
i painted the wings in work with cans, then polished them on the car to give this finish
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07633.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07646.jpg
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the next bit of s13 fun was this,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/02aa_1.jpg
another ebay bargain so i fitted it here not too far from where my hand would be on the gearstick so its an ideal place to quickly press the high or low button if i need to,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07670.jpg
the bottom one is my 5 quid turbo timer lol
gave the engine bay a clean again and took a more recent pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/22062007016.jpg
then this happened :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/th_79efdf42.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/?action=view¤t=79efdf42.flv)
so i took it off the road and started playing,
engine out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/03082007129.jpg
got sone energy poly bushes and fitted all those
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/01082007126.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/01082007128.jpg
bastard of a job that but worth it
made these
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07637-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07798.jpg
and got these from ebay
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/28082007157.jpg
re machined them to 4 stud
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07795.jpg
and got them on the car
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07799.jpg
pb_sx (a.k.a j4mes)
20-09-2007, 21:07
loving this. i could doso muc more work if i had a cnc machine :)
Actual_Ben_Taylor
20-09-2007, 21:18
Great work :) keep it coming...
bigboyballs
20-09-2007, 21:19
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back to the engine again
took this off and wrapped it as it looked nasty all brown and blue
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/18082007155.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/18082007156.jpg
and got this bargain of an ebay kit through,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC07801.jpg
i took some pics of the engine build but then my phone died so lost them,
i got myself another crank and another piston and rod, got the crank polished and checked over,
then a new set of bearings were ordered to match the crank, while i was there i got the block honed out and a new set of piston rings,
i took the engine completely appart from the head down, didnt touch the head as it was only just rebuilt,
everything was cleaned properly and i painted the block the obligatory red lol
then rebuilt everything with clenleness in mind at all stages, was very anal about it acctually but i think its worth it,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/06092007003.jpg
i also managed to get this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/06092007002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/06092007001.jpg
gt28rs with a .86 exhaust side, laggy but worth it
so with the engine built i got it back on the crane, fitted some apex engine mounts and a nismo clutch cover onto a paddle clutch plate i got from sideways dany on here,
and then fitted a gearbox i got from someone else on here and swung it all back into the car finally,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/08092007006.jpg
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right, with the engine in i fitted the new oil cooler, i replaced the uprights that hold the slam pannel and bumper on too as mine were horrid and bent from the ding
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/09092007008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/09092007011.jpg
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and i started to make up the longer hot side pipe that would be needed for the new turbo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/10092007014.jpg
this was the final product, getting better at tig welding now (well more tig fusing lol)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/13092007024.jpg
going to re cut my old welds out and re join in the new way as its perfectly strong enough, and does not leave a large penetration lump that the welding did, and i like the look of the welds too lol
and here it is now
with added ebay strut brace too,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/13092007023.jpg
oh and these arrived from calafornia
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/12092007016.jpg
25mm hubcentric bolt on spacers for 70 quid all 4
now the car is back on the floor its made an unbelieveable difference
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/12092007017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/12092007018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/12092007022.jpg
hope you like, just on the running in process now, and god its boring lol
Actual_Ben_Taylor
20-09-2007, 21:31
Next thing I'd do is get rid of all those vac hoses!!! Must be about 12' there :wack:
hope you like :) :thumbs:
Next thing I'd do is get rid of all those vac hoses!!! Must be about 12' there :wack:
id love to, but they are all needed for the boost controller, and the loom will only allow the solenoid to fit there,
Sideways Danny
20-09-2007, 21:58
running in need not be too boring ;) if you drive it too soft it wont actually be run in at all until you start to drive it harder. Looking really good but whats that AC rad still in there for? :ghey:
i just need a new pump then ill be using the air con again, sad i know but i like it lol
ah dont worry, im not running it in the girly way lol, its probably nearly run in by now anyway, and in only 200 miles lol
fantastic work the custom fab is nice - BTW what light washers are those on the bumper are they bonnet washers
they were always there, dont work tho lol, there are no pipes for it or pump
nice work man!
hopefully someday i will get to see what stage 3 is like!
running in cant be as boring as my current task.......bus to work!!! god it sucks!!!
need to buy all the bits for engine rebuild! and car is off the road.... but keep gettin tempted by bren and everyone for seats and kits.
did you use the same valves,springs,lifters etc.??? cant decide whether to replace or not!
nice work mate!
chris.
p.s.
i remember your last porting project on csw. was worth a try! lol
Nice work bud, excellent write up :thumbs:
Just wants to make me do more to mine lol
Keep it up :thumbs:
Oh... and did u get rid of your washer bottle or relocote it somewhere? thanks :D
ive got a fiesta washer bottle to fit some time but im holding out for a pre face one if i can get hold of one as apparently they fit with the fmic,
its all standard valve springs etc dukey, :thumbs:
ive got a rattle that we are thinking is either piston slap or lifters needing a clean out, one being more of a bugger than the other lol,
its feeling quite quick now, and its only running 16-17 psi rather than the 20 i used to on the t28,
cant wait to be able to really drive it, altho my suspension is still rediculously hard so needs to go, anyone have any comfy coilovers they want to change for something stiffer (6/5 apex)
or someone have a set of 4/4 springs they wanna sell, i dont want to waste cash getting the allighnment done then go and change the shocks after and have to get it done again,
im thinking of getting an AFC from somewhere so i can tweak the fueling of the stage 3 map and safely run good power without det, and use a fuel pressure reg to allow the injectors to provide enough fuel safely,
wont be for a while yet tho, and ill get it on the rollers first to see what the fueling is like first too, if it lasts lol
what do people think of an apexi AFC,
i obviously have the stage 3 parts, but i was thinking if i had a fuel pressure regulator and an afc. then had my local mapper to set it up safely is this a good idea,
or would people rather just stay with the stage 3 chip but get it mapped again by JEZ, its just a long way away from me to get it mapped thats all
Sideways Danny
23-09-2007, 20:51
the SAFC2 is a good piece of kit
you think it would be a good addition to my set up mate, i think it feels held back at the moment,
i know im only on standard internals, but as long as its set pup safely then surely 350 bhp will be ok,
I have an SAFC2 hooked up to mine, just to monitor knock & airflow %.
Was seeing 51% and zero knock at 1.4 bar on a T04E.
how does it measure knock, not with the standard sensor i hope, ive heard that they dont sence a lot really,
are you running a z32 afm mate, only i would have thought that a standard afm would be well maxxed out by that turbo,
one quick Q about them, are they to big to be mounted in the spare din slot under the CD player, ill make up a bracket to hold it if its not too big and move my boost controller somewhere else
how does it measure knock, not with the standard sensor i hope, ive heard that they dont sence a lot really,
are you running a z32 afm mate, only i would have thought that a standard afm would be well maxxed out by that turbo,
one quick Q about them, are they to big to be mounted in the spare din slot under the CD player, ill make up a bracket to hold it if its not too big and move my boost controller somewhere else
Yeah, standard sensor.
I'm running a Z32 maf.
My car is fully stripped, so I keep the SAFC2 on my lap for the time being. I reckon it will fit in beneath the stereo, though.
One useful feature of the SAFC2 is that it can be set up to ignore maf voltage when the throttle is released and the rpm has decreased to a certain point, preventing the car from stalling due to 'blow-back' through the maf. Since the top-mount T04E was fitted, the car has stalled the majority of the time unless I rev it slightly.
ive got one now, it looks like a cool bit of kit, if maybe a little big,
are they able to be used to allow the use of larger injectors, ive got no instructoins or anything with it so im not sure what it can do.
does anyone know where i can download a user manual???
Sideways Danny
24-09-2007, 21:27
there's a manual to download on the apexi site
just looked on there and when you click on the link my computer at home just froze up, and the one here at work opens it up, but all the pages are blank????
strange, anyone got a manual on there pc or a working link to one so i can see what it can do, the wiring link works so thats not too bad
Does this work for you:
http://www.apexi-usa.com/pdfInstallation/15.pdf
Direct to the pdf, so right-click, save as. Failing that, I'll email you a copy (1.8meg)
just tried that and it also comes out blank mate, ill try it at home, maybe its because my works adobe is old lol
Emailed you matey :thumbs:
and it worked at home, god it was a dam long read even if i did only scan through it,
think ill leave it to the experts to map it properly, do you think it will work well with the stage 3 HD chip so i can get the most from things like my cam, headwork, and larger TB, ive mounted it now and it looks ace, bit worried about having it on show tho so im going to mount it with velcro
It's a useful piece of kit, especially for fine-tuning generic maps, so it's suited to you if you're not going for a complete remap immediately.
Only use mine as a monitoring device, doubt I'll ever use it to actually alter the fueling :wack:
it looks very complicated do you find it ok to use, im only looking for power that is within what the stage 3 can do anyway, just want it to be more economical round town, and remove the richness that is mapped into these gineric chips for safety,
like you say, if it can fine tune my map better then it sounds like i have a perfect bit of kit for me.
ill get some pics tomorrow when the paint has dried on the mounting bracket and i can then re,fit it
Yeah it's relatively straightforward once you get past the Engrish.
mindmineral
27-09-2007, 01:11
Saw your pics :: Really nicely done! :)
god that took aged to read lol! worth it tho, good to see it evolve!
cheers for helping me with the cooler last night m8, was ace, feels better now :)
gotta replace my plastic pipe next :D
cant wait to get your car set up on the rollers, i will be eagly watching the dyno screen!!
seee you soon m8y
ive fitted, and wired in my s-afc2 now and it looks cool, just performed the initial set ups this evening, i also noticed that the wiring diagram does not include a knock sensor reading, but i do have a purple wire left over on the loom that was not stated as not connected, but was also not noted where to connect it to on the ecu, im assming this is for the knock signal, ive not connected it yet so if someone knows can they let me know lol,
also, when i was setting the throttle position voltage i noticed that the book said it should be either 0 - 1 v or 3 - 5 v
mine was .4v to 4.2v, is this normal, and do i set it to the 3-5v range, either that or is my throttle position switch set wrongly,
any help would be cool before i start the car with this fitted,
Alright matey!
Purple wire is indeed the knock signal. I can't remember offhand what colour the wire is from the ECU, but I'll try to explain:
You have 4 'blocks' of pins. Looking at the ecu with the label toward the top, you have 16, 20, 20, 20. Just in case I'm wrong about the orientation of the label, position the ecu with the 16 pins at the left hand side. You need the 3rd block of pins, i.e. 16 20 20 20. The knock sensor wire is the 3rd wire along the top row. Just to make sure: In that block, you have the airflow wire that is 7th along the top row, and the throttle wire that is 8th along the bottom row.
As for the throttle position voltage, you've read it incorrectly you damn n00b. It's 0-1v closed throttle and 3-5v fully open throttle that applies to our cars. Just select the 1st option, arrow pointing diagonally upward. The other option simply reverses the voltage.
Your throttle voltage of 0.4v closed and 4.2v fully open is 100% fine.
sweet, thanks mate, ill get soldering lol, and thanks for clearing up that little thing about the knock sensor too,
how many of you guys play with the settings of your own avcr's,
i mean fueling wise, if you do, how the hell did you manage to work out how, i keep reading the instructions, but by the time ive got to the end of one page ive forgotten the begining of it lol. a lot of info to take in after you have set it up, my car is really not going as well as i would expect at the moment, its just soooooo slow to spool up and when it does come on boost, unless its icy cold evenings there is not much of a kick in the back either,, hmmmmmmm, (it is quick, just not that quick)
16psi and no more of a det reading than on idle (well it goes from the 30s to low 40s on boost so happy with that)
Sideways Danny
29-09-2007, 19:41
Liquidsmoke did all his own SAFC setup, he got impressive results too
16psi and no more of a det reading than on idle (well it goes from the 30s to low 40s on boost so happy with that)
That's not set up correctly. You have to correct the knock readings by holding the revs at 1500rpm and 3500rpm (option in the settings menu). It will be zero on idel, and most of the time.
I get zero knock at 1.4 bar on a t04e
Fake Ben Taylor
29-09-2007, 20:52
with hard engine mounts youll get knock readingsa on idle as stea does with his if i remember correctly but his went to zero once he was driving :)
hth
yeah ive just printed all 64 pages of the manual off and im going to spend a while in the car playing with the settings,
want to set the dec. air and the knock settings in a min, once you start reading some of the bits again with the controller in front of you it seems to make more sence, altho my printer has run out of ink now so reading these instructions are going to be amusing lol,
just sorted both the knock and the dec air settings,
both had there problems, the dec air, made the engine try to die when you just tickle the throttle, strange but it went away when it was warm, where it asks you to make the Air flow reading higher on the dec. air settings than it is in real time i only made it more by 1%, so ive gone by 2 now to see if it makes it better.
the biggest worry was the knock reading, i do as said in previous posts have a reading of 8 on idle, but it goes away at low speed driving,
but on heavy acceleration it jumps about on the needle monitor to about an 1/8th of the scale sometimes a little more,
so i thought, what does it do when i turn the boost controller right off, so with all of 4 psi i tried it again, and exactly the same readings were noted,
so it seems that i have a noisy engine, not det, not really all that happy about that but there is not a lot i can do about it eaither, (knew i should have had the bottom end ballanced :(
ooooh just thought of something,
ive set my afm setting to in:02 out:02 because i have a z32 afm, and the ecu is set for a z32 being that its a hd stage 3,
but ive just stumbled accross an old thread where jez told someone just to put it to a normal in and out setting (eg in:01 out:01) because the ecu does all the changes to the signal anyway???
have i got the setting wrong then???????
well sorry for the quiet thread for a while, been driving round in my 1.4 gta metro for a while lol,
well the turbo that i had for my rebuild decided that it wasnt going to play anymore,
it was a low milage genuine gt28rs with the .86 exhaust housing, so on 1.1 bar it was having an easy life on my engine, but none the less it still bent the spindle while i was trying to set up the boost
i also havent seen anyone (apart from one who i got the turbo from) with this turbo on there cars, loads of people sayig ''its crap. dont buy one.........'' but nobody backing these claims up with proof, (and to think im the one who gets flamed for saying that my mates have told me things
anyway, here is a pic of the turbo that lasted all of 1400 miles on my engine 800 of those were running in miles too. :cry:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/11122007050.jpg
so that came off and is now sat in my loft allong with other broken turbos lol. as did the manifold and turbo elbow,
to be replaced with this...........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/06122007038.jpg
anyway, ive vowed never to get a second hand turbo (other than a rebuilt one) again as you dont know where you stand with them, so went the silly and probably unwise choice of getting a chineese turbo.
but i cant fault it so far, looked ok, brand new. and was slightly large :wack: for the cash.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/03122007032.jpg
hmm top mont :)
i really wasnt happy with the welding on the top mount, as you can see in the collector its really not very well done, so i got the tig out and fused it all together, and welded the inside of the ports too to hopefull help the cracking issue,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/07122007044.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/07122007045.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/07122007042.jpg
with that all welded up i fitted the external wastegate to it and the turbo just as a mock up with the downpipe,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/06122007036.jpg
now with it all ready to go on i went back out in the cold and started moving things, the ignition amp had to be moved and the power steering, ive also got to remove the abs, you can just about get away with it but i dont want it that close to a mega hot downpipe so ill remove it anyway. its kinda going down the route of a track car now anyway so no real need for it.
then bolted the turbo up to see how it would look.............
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/06122007039.jpg
it would have hit the inner arch but nothing that a nylon hammer didnt fix :smash:
ive got the oil feed mad up by my step dad who works in a hydraulic hosing company, very handy lol,
and i made this and another similar for the oil feeds and return, got rid of the water cooling as this turbo does not need or have it, (nova sump plug FTW) then re fitted it all up and began to plumb it in, was an absolute twat to do the manifold up to the head but still easier than the standard mani. and being so easy to change or work on the turbo more than makes up for this, i can have the turbo off in about 10 mins now lol,
quick pick of the oil feed flange i made
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/07122007047.jpg
while it was in for this to be done i fitted my gauges to the centre console, and removed about 3 feet of wiring from behind the cd player, it was bugging me and with more wired going in i had to do something about it, looks much better behind there now,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/11122007049.jpg
and here is the final engine bay set up, (ignore the abs as that will be gone and the bov is now under the hot side pipe waiting for me to plumb it back into the inlet)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/09122007048.jpg
i took it for a quick drive and oh my..............
it does nothing before 5k then all of a sudden at 5.5k it just..... for want of a better word, ****s off lol
it did boost to 25 psi tho so i need to sort something out with that before i end up with rods and pistons leaving the engine but it was so so fast im going to have to get my finger out and get a set of forgies for the spare block,
its off to be mapped soon too so ill get some power graphs and vids up,
ferretca18
11-12-2007, 21:09
That looks sweet mate! nicely done:thumbs:
diamondsink
12-12-2007, 16:02
Dont like the sound of no boost till 5.5k
Good work tho, the balls to go with a turbo that large.
im still yet to drive it properly as i only took it for a quick blat up the road, and the exhaust is blowing like a sod, but it was fun and after all, thats all it needs to be imo,
cant wait to get it all set up properly and take it for a propper blat, should be fun, and when im giving it stick it never drops below 5.5k anyway =]
Sideways Danny
12-12-2007, 16:53
looking good, just a small thing though. Give yourself some length of pipe and preferably a bend between the AFM and the turbo, the Turbulence can throw the readings right off
I'm surprised that it didn't stall at every junction! Mine did on the T4. If you have any issues, I'm sure you've got an SAFC2 which you can configure to ignore the readings when the throttle is closing & air flow is small to overcome this.
alanjuggler
12-12-2007, 17:48
as danny says - if you have trouble idling / with dodgy readings from the AFM - try putting a bend in your piping before the turbo. i also had to do this as originally i had my afm coming straight off the turbo. didnt idle too well :wack:
I have the T28 on mine and it boosts at 2.5-3K no problems with it so far.. not too sure what boost im running to be honest but it pulls like a biaatch.. need a gaue really.
very nice project matey, hat off to ya for makin your own shiznaee :)
well i sorted my unlimeted boost problem which turned out to be me not switching the boost controller to external wastegate mode :wack:
and now it boosts earlier and more smoothly, still at 5k tho lol, the screamer pipe is mega loud too which is amusing :)
ive not had any idle problems at all. and it seems to run fine, i want to put the filter back in the origional position eventually but i need some more pipework first, and somewhere to make me a 45 degree 80mm pipe, could be tricky, and i dont have any at work either to make a lobster back style one, :(
i would like to replace my 2'' hot side pipe with a 2.5 as both turbo and IC pipes either end are reduced to 2'' as i had the reducers already. just need 2 2.5'' 90 degree silicone pipes, something to order over xmas i think :)
i definately need to raise the rev limit now though, it pulls so hard to the limmeter you find yourself hitting it all the time, and that was at 6 psi lol. im only going to run a bar tho with this set up as im told that it should still make over 350 bhp with this size turbo, cant wait to get it mapped
wow... nice job ;)
congrats.
like it
still want a go in this m8! :D
i think im going toget an exhaust flexi pipe to put less stress on the v band flange as i cant get it to stop leaking, is there anywhere anyone knows of that does them as i can only find them on ebay, and they are scary expensive.
getting it all insured again tonight, cant wait to go out in it again :)
removed my abs now, loads more space to get in, still need to re bleed the system but ill do that this weekend,
going to take off the downpipe tomorrow and try to sort out the blowing with a new clamp, then try and get the rest of the exhaust to fit properly as its rattling now, not supprised with the ammount that ive changed lol,
Ryan Spence
13-12-2007, 19:13
is this all xs pooper stuff matt? i'm not a fan of that company but have always been curious bout ther top mount kit, think i kinda like it! looks sweet in ur engine bay i must say! did the kit come with evrything u need or did u av to get loads more bits?
its not a kit mate, i just picked out the specific bits i wanted, ive personally never had a problem with any of there bits as i normally buy particular parts that i know will need modifying, cant complain at there dirt cheap prices imo,
sorry i did have a mani that dropped a weld but thats why i did what i did to this one, im going to port it when it goes onto my forged engine eventually tho,
try the guy at ap for a flexi m8. he does good work, not sure about his prices sometimes tho
yeah tried him mate and he has one in stock :)
ive got a better v-band flange now for it so ill get the flexi before xmas and do it in the new year,
need to get to somewhere with a tig welder after xmas
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/22062007016.jpg
have you had any problems with the EVC III? The instructions say the 3 pipe connections must face up, i haven't found a right place to put mine with the pipes facing up yet :annoyed:
na had no problems with it like that,
just a quick update as its been a little quiet on this thread lately,
but the car is far from that :)
shortly after fitting this mahoosive turbo one of the big ends decided to destroy itself and the rod was left rattling about on the crank badly, took the engine out and it turns out that no 3 pison's gudion pin has also come loose and was eating the bore, its annoying because i never removed the pistons from the rods at all,
anyway, i had enough of playing with a small engine so went for something a little bigger,
got myself an RB20 :D (will get pics later as it looks terrible at the moment)
ive been steadily removing parts and collecting parts for the RB, it was mammouth's old engine from his R32 before he fitted the GTR lump so i know its been in good hands.
got everything now but am waiting for some things to arrive (ecu, top mount manifold, loom, and engine mounts)
all of which wont be long now,
while it was out i wanted to sort some things out,
the wiring and my whole in the batt tray was horrible so i have started to sort that,
from.......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/DSC00244.jpg
to a rather large whole where the tray was...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/15012008064.jpg
cut loads out of the loom and hid the relay for the fan under the fuse box,
ive cut this sheet out and cut out a whole in work tonight for the IC pipe to come through neatly
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/15012008063.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/15012008068.jpg
and how the bay stands at the moment after a little clean, it is getting the jet wash treatment tomorrow as the cross member is rank.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/15012008065.jpg
and my workshop :wack:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/15012008066.jpg
ive also started making some IC pipes ready to meet up with my origional fmic install
angles cut
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/14012008059.jpg
all tacked up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/14012008058.jpg
some of my neatest welding yet
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/14012008060.jpg
and a little polish just to see how it comes up, quite impressed acctually so im going to do all of them myself rather than sending them off this time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/14012008061.jpg
oh and i cleaned my washer bottle in the dishwasher for a while. not perfect but its much much better than it was
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/15012008062.jpg
Ryan Spence
15-01-2008, 22:52
very neat bit of welding there mate :thumbs:
sorry for the pic quality on some by the way, the cam was playing up for some reason.
cheers spence :thumbs:
Ol'_200sx_thing
15-01-2008, 23:09
did you cut the piping your self or get prefab stuff ?
yeah, they look good mate, I make my own IC pipes, but they dont look like that lol
Fake Ben Taylor
15-01-2008, 23:46
fair play to ya thats some REALLY neat welding :nod:
as asked above did you cut the angles?
Sideways Danny
15-01-2008, 23:47
looks like you've got a talent for TIG!!
dam thats some good work there
thanks guys, ive never had any lessons at tig, ive just kept practicing and it paid off, to be fair this is only fusing where no filler rod is added, ive still got a little way to go untill that is this neat but for now im happy with this for what i need.
i cut all the pipes myself yeah, just got a length of 2.5'' stainless steel tube and set the chop saw to 10 degrees, i could probably do 5degres if i wanted an even smoother bend but i think this is a smooth enough curve for an IC pipe, and i really enjoy making things like this.
id love to learn how to weld ally too, thats the next thing to learn lol
i should have really waited untill the engine is in but i just couldnt wait to get welding so thought i would do the bends now lol.
some of you guys should have a go at it, its really not that hard to do something like this, just takes a steady hand :nod: (which i dont particularly have really)
i with any luck ill be getting the engine in this weekend and i can start making the rest of the pipes next week,
got my INTEC mapped ecu through the post today, it has switchable maps inside (little dash switch) but the owner who had it didnt know what one of the maps ran so just had it set on the one it came over from japan running, he puts the power it gave at around stage 1 performance but that was with a standard turbo etc, where as i may have a larger one on mine and will have the safc to tweak the fueling a little more,
i love it when all the pieces come together :)
ferretca18
16-01-2008, 17:44
Sweet welding on the pipe mate! well impressed! let me know if you ever need a hand when you start the motor swap! im a bit of a bum at the moment so would love something to do lol.
nice one mate glad to see your project coming along :thumbs:
that is wicked welding mate looks nice and neat :)
ferrerca18. mate i think i still have your no, on my phone, but feel free to pop round on sat if you want, thats when ill be sticking it in and there will be cups of tea flowing by the gallon lol
ive started looking at making the top mount down pipe, started cutting the 3 bolt flange out now for the downpipe and ill just weld it to another one of my welded pipes up to the turbo, with a nice flexi joint in the middle to try and take some stress away from the manifold.
woodys13
16-01-2008, 20:42
Hia m.d. i just noticed that you are trying you own intercooler pipes.
Top effort btw.
Where do you work?
Can you get hold of CNC stainless bends? I'm in the custom stainless exhaust trade, and have done quite a few intercooler setups, we have found it allot easier to use CNC bends instead of chopping straight pipe, far less work and less welds to worry about!
just a few more pics of the arriving things, :)
re mapped ecu with 2 maps (we think but need to get it checked)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/16012008075.jpg
the plate i need to weld into the big whole i made from the batt tray
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/16012008074.jpg
and my manifold :) really like the look of this, and its by far the neatest inside of all the xs power manifolds i have had before :nod:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/16012008073.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/16012008072.jpg
just another quick question for you guys, on exhausts this time,
if i make my turbo elbow from 2.5'' pipe then plumb the wastegate into the 3'' down pipe am i going to be restricting the power i can have, only i was looking and i cant see the outlet of my turbo, or even any turbo ill use (not the t70 as thats not going back on) being as big as 2.5''
and it will only be about a foot of pipe which wont have any wastegate gasses in there too,
should be ok shouldnt it.
like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/NewBitmapImage-1.jpg
sorry for the paint job lol
Hia m.d. i just noticed that you are trying you own intercooler pipes.
Top effort btw.
Where do you work?
Can you get hold of CNC stainless bends? I'm in the custom stainless exhaust trade, and have done quite a few intercooler setups, we have found it allot easier to use CNC bends instead of chopping straight pipe, far less work and less welds to worry about!
there is an exhaust place quite close to us, but i love making things like this, and its free too lol,
i do still need to get hold of a 2.5 inch flexi pipe tho, how much on average would it cost me for a bend say 90 degrees in a pre bent pipe, maybe 2.5 or 3 inch???
just another evening job done that i wanted to do,
started making the down pipe from turbo to origional down pipe, wanted to make sure it was quite solid this time as im fed up with rattly exhausts and gaskets constantly blowing,
so i made a new bolted flange, just got to skim it, this is what my welding with filler rod is like, not as neat as my fusing, but should be more than adiquate for what its doing,
fused the inside of the flange so when i skim it back on the lathe nice and flat its a total seal,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/17012008076.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/17012008079.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/17012008077.jpg
like this :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/17012008080.jpg
i dont think you'l be restricting it m8 (ref paint job) 2.5" is more than adequite! plus a little back pressure always helps :p
Ol'_200sx_thing
17-01-2008, 15:44
i dont think you'l be restricting it m8 (ref paint job) 2.5" is more than adequite! plus a little back pressure always helps :p
Not on a turbo car :no:
The turbo produces all the backpressure thats needed, anything over that will sap power ( not alot but will a little)
Some very nice workj their mate, nothing at all wrong with your welding :thumbs:
ive seen trained welders weld worse than that ( just the outside, dont know what the penetration is like ;))
Looking forward to seeing you get your RB in :thumbs:
If you can, make it 3" form the tubo back
Fake Ben Taylor
17-01-2008, 16:24
personally on a turbo that size id go for a 4 inch elbow :nod: its what im going for on my car :)
2.5 inch is the id of the std elbow :)
teh200sx
17-01-2008, 16:43
Sorry but i'm confused about something, this is a six branch manifold and you've got a CA18DET?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/16012008073.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/16012008072.jpg
Fake Ben Taylor
17-01-2008, 16:45
hes fitting an rb20det ;)
Jezz_S13
17-01-2008, 17:00
Check the minimum bore off the WG take off, the CA version has a minimum bore of 28/29mm which is causing me lots of boost creep; it creeps from 1 bar (spring pressure) at 3.8k to 1.56bar at 7.2k.
It's currently being reworked to 42mm to match the rest of my WG piping.
If there are any restrictions you need to be opening them up.
it looks quite good for that mate but thanks for the heads up, ill have a look tonight when i get home :nod:
ol' 200sx thing; if you look closely at the last pic that shows the flange after i skimmed it you can see a line of penatration on the top weld, hoping it will be enough. thanks for the compliments mate, apprieciated.
ben, when you say a turbo of that size, do you mean the T70, cos that wont be going back on again, but i will be fitting something allong the lines of a T04E
Fake Ben Taylor
17-01-2008, 17:39
it looks quite good for that mate but thanks for the heads up, ill have a look tonight when i get home :nod:
ol' 200sx thing; if you look closely at the last pic that shows the flange after i skimmed it you can see a line of penatration on the top weld, hoping it will be enough. thanks for the compliments mate, apprieciated.
ben, when you say a turbo of that size, do you mean the T70, cos that wont be going back on again, but i will be fitting something allong the lines of a T04E
yeah i meant the t70 lol why is it not going back on?
t04e should be fine with 3 inch elbow :) i re thought mine and im going to struggle to get a 2.5inch vand flange to 4 inch downpipe so ill have to settle for 3 inch i think:rolleyes::)
3 inch surely will be more than enough for you,
im not using the t70 because i sold it with all the rest of the bits to fit it, and most of my CA to help fund this install,
and the 5.5k rpm boost kick was a little hard to get on with when in the lanes, and that after all is what i will be using the car for most of the time,
real pissed off today too, had to pay an extra £40 import tax for my engine mounts, ah well, still easier than trying to use the cross member from a skyline as these will make everything fit properly first time
Sideways Danny
17-01-2008, 19:00
2.5 inch is the id of the std elbow :)
more like 2, my 2.5 inch elbow is significantly bigger than the standard one
more like 2, my 2.5 inch elbow is significantly bigger than the standard one
this is what i thought, and after making this flange and seeing how close the bolt holes are to the pipe id say its about the same size now as an aftermarket elbow, which normally work well to over 400 bhp on some GT28/ 30 etc variant turbos,
that is really nice welding, skilled and i've seen t/s welders doing what they reckon is good work and it's nowhere near that neat or solid looking!
thanks mate, god you lot can be so flattering some times lol :wack:
Ol'_200sx_thing
18-01-2008, 00:10
thanks mate, god you lot can be so flattering some times lol :wack:
we are just lulling you into a false sense of security before we verbally bash you :smash::wack:
get some pics of the mounts when you can, wanna see if they are any good, you could maybe make sets to sell over here, better than from the states ;):p
id love to make some, i am going to have a little look at them while they are here, but im a bit impatient to get them on so prob will be very short lived lol. and altho i can weld im not a fabricator, if i were to make them they would cost a grand a set and would be fully CNC machined lol
Ol'_200sx_thing
18-01-2008, 00:49
ahhh, well how about just sending me a copy of the measurements ;)
I can design them, and ive got a few fabricators in the family :wave:
SXOC cheap RB mount kit :D;)
ill have a look mate,
maybe ill just draw round them all for now on some paper as if it were a patturn, should be enough for a fabricator to make something out of it, ill lobb a few measurements on at the same time.
oh and it arrived this morning :thumbs:
calicagesracing
18-01-2008, 10:53
looking good matey:)
just on the top mount, have you bolted it to the engine yet?
just curious to know how it will fit with the intake pipe across the engine
i ask this because i have to get a manifold myself and would really like a top mount:thumbs:
it looks as if it will be miles away, i remember where my old top mount set up was fitted and it was quite a way from the rocker cover so i dont see this one being any different, the only issue im going to have is it hitting the strut top, i think it will be fine tho but ill get it on and let you know asap :thumbs:
is the kit's quality as good as you hoped?
Ol'_200sx_thing
18-01-2008, 14:25
id imagine the quality will be ok, it wont be superb for the price you pay, but any minor defects could be sorted easy enough :thumbs:
Eagerly awaiting some drawings and measurements :wave:
http://www.driftworks.com/forum/parts-sale-private-sales/49663-breaking-r32-gts-t-performance-part-available.html
quick quick if you still need it, pm'd you as well. ;)
thanks madda, i would have saved myself 180 quid if i had got that box :cry:
the engine mounts are acctually really good quality, they have been neatly cleaned up and painted, and all the edges are groud back smooth,
weling could be better but its functional and the welding is more than edequate :nod:
ill see what i can do measurements wise, not promising anything tho cos have waited long enough to fit this engine lol
Ol'_200sx_thing
18-01-2008, 18:59
fair enough mate :thumbs:
i put the engine in today but couldnt put the gearbox in because they had sent me the wrong one :angry:
im not sure what it is because everything is the same as the old 20 box apart from the bell housing,
its a lot bigger than it needs to be, what nissan would use a huge bell housing flange, that still uses the same gearbox??? going to send it back on monday and they have another box for me, but i just hope its not the same again :cry:
does look neat when all fitted in the bay, its ****ing tight in the bay too, and i think it might need a juggle about as its slightly touching the clutch cylinder,
so im going to have to try and fight with a gearbox and try and fit it after the engine is in, i did bash the tunnel a little so i just hope its enough
this is the flange on the bellhousing that mine has, it definately doesnt fit my engine but what nissan is it from, is it an SR20 box or something??
http://www.japaneseimportspares.com.au/upload/Picture%20063_SMALL.JPG
im assuming it should look like this, (this is an rb25 box i know but im looking at the bell housing differences
http://r31skylineclub.com/wiki_img/Manual_Conversion_Parts.jpg
thought it was funny when you said the quick shift fitted as the rb20 box has 5 small bolts and one larger bolt on the shifter :(
hope it all goes well and you get the gearbox you need
bugger, i really wanted to use my quick shift too.
ill prob just get one for the RB box in the future then, it looks like i need the second pic box
Sideways Danny
19-01-2008, 20:03
top pic looks like an SR box, but not 100%
i think it may well be now, ive spoken to them and ill send this box back on a pallet on monday, they they will send me another by wed so with any luck, ill get it all going just as soon as i was going to anyway,
just realised that i dont have an alternator on the RB, going to see if the CA one fits tomorrow. would be ideal if it does, got to also mod the power steering pump to make the belts line up properly, its about half way accross two at the moment, shouldnt be too hard to sort tho, bit of spacing and filing should suffice lol.
im not sure whats up with my camera lately but it just wont focus properly, but here is a proof pic anyway lol., the exhaust down pipe is going to be well tight with this manifold, and the standard inlet pipe accross the rocker covers wont fit with a top mount either :( not too worried but it does mean more welding lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/19012008081.jpg
oh and the rocker covers are going red like the CA, im also thinking of painting the cam belt cover graphite grey like the ca was, id love a front facing inlet plenum but i just cant see it happening in the near future because of funds, would make the IC pipework a 100000 times easier tho..
Ol'_200sx_thing
20-01-2008, 00:44
unlucky mate, thats the only prob dealing with breakers from a distance :nod:
If you like, il call the breakers near me and see if they have one, you could get a refund and get a cheaper box :thumbs:
Looking good so far :wave:
i did what DAL did with the pump and it worked a treat just used the ca bracket and drilled the bottom and rear bolt holes out as much as possible and the bracket fits and the belt lines up near perfect :thumbs:
ill have to do that then, its definately a long way out with the top two bolted up.
ive called the scrappy and i have to send this box back, then they will send one back on tuesday,
im hoping they acctually have an RB20 box and they are not just sying it
spent today messing about with some bits of pipe and those bends i made, i need to make some more, infact 12 segments more and some straits lol. but im going to come from the throttle body, down the centre of the sparkplug cover, between the oil cap and the oil breether pipe from the rocker cover, then down the gap between the manifold and the head,
bringing the pipe out by the thermostat, then just to the origional batt tray position,
did ya get all that lol.
and i found out that its not that hard to mount the CA alternator either. just a spacer for the pivot bolt needed and a bolt hole cut off the water pump mount, piece of piss.
the power steering pump now doesnt look that hard either, thanks potts85.
oh and i did something really important today too
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/20012008084.jpg
ive just bought a coupke of silicone reducers from ebay, gotta love how cheap pipe is on there, so with any luck after a few hours tomorrow evening ill have the cold side pipe made up ready for a quick polish :)
Ryan Spence
20-01-2008, 20:47
all seems to be coming along nicely mate, shame about the gearbox but atleast its gonna get sorted. once my car is runnin i'l av to pop round n hav a gander!
yeah pop round mate, i have that gasket for you too,
i have done some more work on the IC pipework tonight, not quite finished what i wanted to so im going back into work later to finish it and give it another quick polish, its starting to look quite neat now,
put the gearbox on a pallet and its on its way back to birmingham where it came from and with any luck the new one will be here by wednesday and i can give it a go at bolting it in from under the car lol.
Ol'_200sx_thing
21-01-2008, 18:30
your not working fast enough :whip::wack:
lol, well today altho it doesnt look much was also very productive,
firstly i have sent off the SR box and the new RB box is being removed from an engine tomorrow and sent to me for wednesday.
has anyone ever fitted a box to one of these while the engine is in, i would love to not have to remove the engine again lol, there doesnt look like there are too many bolts on the top of the bell housing where it would be imposible to get to them, but then there doesnt look like there are many bolts at all on the RB lol,
anyway the productive bit, more welding :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/21012008086.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/21012008087.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/21012008088.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/21012008089.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/21012008091.jpg
sorry for the last two dark pics but i work about 5 miles away from home where the car is so i just did the most welding i could and tacked the things i wasnt sure of, then i got home and mocked them up with the pipes i have made there and marked where needs to be welded, im going to block the breather to the inlet manifold and run a catch tank so covering that is not really a problem, im also thinking of removing the water supplies to the TB to save more room,
calicagesracing
21-01-2008, 23:16
looks good mate:thumbs:
no problem shutting the bonnet?
i think i'll have to copy that and go with the top mount manifold:D
Ol'_200sx_thing
21-01-2008, 23:17
some nice fusing there mate, but i would reverse the flow of your ic piping, you will get more heatsoak they way your doing it :nod:
Attach you turbo to the piping going past the rad, and your inlet to the right side of the IC, little free HP :thumbs:
As for the box it can be done, but it will be tight :nod:
wow that looks awesome m8!! makes me want you to make my cold pipe now lol! real good work!
you should be able to do it in place if the car is high enough, you reach the top bolts by letting the gearbox sit as low as poss then reach over the box with a long extension
im also thinking of removing the water supplies to the TB to save more room,
This also stops the TB from heating up the nice cold charge your IC just gave you.
I alway get rid of that;)
I think the best solution for your intercooler and piping would be to use a double pass intercooler (20% more cooling for the same surface area) and have your inlet and outlet on the same side.
I've even done the prelimenary design work for you in a highly sophisticated drawing package:wack:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/george130177/dpi.jpg
Ol'_200sx_thing
22-01-2008, 10:28
as i posted above, reverse the charge flow from what george has done above, less heatsoak into piping etc of your nice, cold air ;)
Fake Ben Taylor
22-01-2008, 13:20
I think the best solution for your intercooler and piping would be to use a double pass intercooler (20% more cooling for the same surface area) and have your inlet and outlet on the same side.
I've even done the prelimenary design work for you in a highly sophisticated drawing package:wack:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/george130177/dpi.jpg
that would indeed be uber cool :nod:
Out of interest(and I have no experience of this!) why did you chose to weld smaller sections together to make your pipework rather than getting some mandrel bent tube?
Was it cost/doing it yourself etc?
Looks very tidy tho.
Tomo
i did look at the idea of modding the ic i have to be a double pass version, it wouldnt be that hard either but im not an ally welder so would have been hard for me,
george that looks like the drawing package i use :wack:
one reason i have done what i have so far is to retain the standard front mount set up accustom to most modified s13's
it also meant that i havent got a hole in the batt tray that wouldnt be used and this is the shortest way i could have made the piping.
the other thing was that i eventually want to get a front facing plenum which would then be a really easy job to mount to the front mount,
i also really like making things like this so it was fun, the reason i have cut lots of sections and then welded them is due to cost, basically this has cost me nothing but time, i had the tube and work has the welder lol,
the other thing was that i eventually want to get a front facing plenum which would then be a really easy job to mount to the front mount,
Have you looked at how well the standard plenum flows before you look at a front facing one? I have a feeling it will flow really well and the distribution between the cylinders will be more even. The YB Cosworth engine uses that set up and they manage to coax decent power out of that.
Welding alloy is no problem now that you've got the hang of the TIG. You just need to put a bit more heat into it and make sure it's clean. And watch out for flash, alloy seems to be really bad for it, it also gives you really bad sunburn if you have any bits of exposed skin.
Get practicing:thumbs:.
yeah ill get practcing, you have to run the welder on AC dont you???
here are a few more pics for ya all :)
the pipe is all done now and fits a peach. quite happy with it acctually, the welding is not totally perfect but its a lot better than i used to do.
next bit of welding is the exhaust, there really is not a lot of space for it tho so its going to be mega tight.
here ya are
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/22012008095.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/22012008093.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/22012008092.jpg
got myself a T04E now too, really didnt want to go to the effourt of making a top mount down pipe just to fit the standard turbo, and be limmeted to low boost,
i need a set of standard CA injectors now so i can upgrade the RB ones,
i have herd about needing a resistor pack to make them work something about butchering 2 CA packs or something, or maybe a GTR pack.
is this the only way or can resistors be put in line bought from somewhere like RS???
Ol'_200sx_thing
23-01-2008, 17:07
how about 440 from a gtir, or skyline injectors :thumbs:
would love to hear about this as i want to upgrade my injectors too :D
i would do but they go for about 100 quid, and thats another 100 quid lol,
where as a set of CA injectors are worth vertually nothing
Ol'_200sx_thing
23-01-2008, 17:42
suppsoe so mate, cheap all the way :thumbs:
hows the progress?
how much you got left to do?
well the gearbox will be here tomorrow im told, but my wiring loom has not arrived yet, buffy said he posted it on friday so im a little worried cos ive not heard from him since,
not really in a rush for it tho so its cool, and he has done me a huge favour doing it for me :)
the turbo should be here tomorrow and then i can start making the hot side pipe, looks really easy acctually so shouldnt take long.
really not looking forward to fitting the gearbox but im told its possible so i hope so lol
wohoo, loom and ecu will both be here by the end of the week, really starting to look like ill be making exhausts on late shift next week, which is good because thats the last bit :D
glad to hear mate :thumbs:
just waiting for julian to finish up on my car and all thats needs to be done is get my rad fitted (which im still waiting on :mad:)
just fit the standard one for now mate, it will allow you to start and run the car, and as long as you dont rag it for too long it should work fine for a bit of every day driving, would be good to try and iron out any teething problems too,
only problem is i have no fan :( so not sure what would happen without one
hmm, not sure, ive fitted mine, and its only a scrappy fan lol
i can sort you out with some CA injectors m8..... step into my office! :p
what 6 of them :wack: lol
Jeffers_S13
24-01-2008, 13:41
Only just read this, some nice work done here, very impressed by your welding on the mitred bends and inside the collector on the manifold :) now and again I get a good run, guess I need to practice more...
Why did you do mitred bends ? just because you have the kit to chop evenly and pipe is easy to get ? or are the bends youve created tighter than 1.5D ?
it was more an experiment really, and good practice for me with the welding :)
if anyone knows much about gearboxes would they please look at my new thread in general because i have a big problem :(, just when it was going so well too
god damn breakers they get on my tits :mad:
yeah and me, looks like the engine is coming back out to fit the box too, its just not going to happen with it fitted,
what 6 of them :wack: lol
yea maybe ;P like i said step into my office...
lol, ill step right in later :)
ive got hold of the company now about the gearbox and they want me to call them back later as they apparetly have several skyline gearboxes on the shelf but need to search for an RB20 version,
there is one down in a local breakers yard but it has been in a fire so its a little toasted apparently but they said they would take 50 quid for it, may be worth it for parts if i can rebuild the dead one the origional company sent me, thy didnt say they wanted it back so i may just keep that one for the future lol
id haggle for the burnt box to get it cheaper m8! no one will want a toasted one so you'l be doin them a favour taking it off their hands lol
lol, true. ill go down there on sat i think and have it off them, it may just be a toasted bell housing so i can remove the box and use this bell housing, i, hoping when i call this company at 4 that they can get the box in the post for sat morning
got another gearbox on its way now, been checked by the garage and by the garage that they had to scource it from, with any luck it wont have all the sensors bashed off this time too,
should be here by tuesday wednesday time, plety of time to get the engine out, make the manifold fit properly and start welding the down pipe,
oh and mr sturge has also supplied me with 6 CA injectors :D ill have to get my safc wired in now lol
got the turbo mocked up, now i have taken the mani back off and am going to mount the turbo to it on the bench and make a down pipe, its very VERY close to the bulkhead so im going to have to wrap the manifold, downpipe and bash the bulkhead a little to give the down pipe more clearance.
hope you like :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/26012008103.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/mdnovaman/26012008104.jpg
holy sh*t that looks crazy
keep it up :thumbs:
its acctually not that big, the exhaust housing is smallish so should spool up nicely
Ryan Spence
27-01-2008, 18:12
is that the t04e u wer talking about getting mate?
Dude, I swear, you should have never got rid of your T70!!
Ryan Spence
27-01-2008, 23:20
Dude, I swear, you should have never got rid of your T70!!
lol, i'm glad he did!
think he'l enjoy the spool up more :)
Ol'_200sx_thing
28-01-2008, 11:59
6 cylinders FTW :nod:
All he needs is a gtr crank and rods, take it to 2.3 .... :wack:
Sideways Danny
28-01-2008, 13:41
6 cylinders FTW :nod:
All he needs is a gtr crank and rods, take it to 2.3 .... :wack:
weaksauce. 2mm overbore for a 2.4. RB24 FTW!!!!!!
its staying a 2.0 for now but those options are very nice ideas :)
i didnt like selling the t70 as i loved that turbo, but i think i may like this one more, especially as it only cost me 100 quid lol, and its brand new (ish)
Ol'_200sx_thing
28-01-2008, 14:18
weaksauce. 2mm overbore for a 2.4. RB24 FTW!!!!!!
RB30 FTW, 2litre is gay :wack:
Just joking mate :thumbs:
god you find all the bargains dont you :mad: lol
wish i could find one for £100
hows the progress going?
it is only a chineese copy but so far its the best one ive seen, even all the castings are mint, and the wheel spins for longer than my old s14 t28 used to when you spun it by hand, feels very free floating,
Ol'_200sx_thing
28-01-2008, 19:13
hope you got a bargain and not a crapper mate :thumbs:
it does look like it is, :nod: im still deciding wheather or not to use the stainless manifold and just use the standard cast one, i can make the flange im bolting to the back of the turbo accept an external wastegate if i need to so wouldnt be hard, im just so worried about this manifold dropping weld into my engine, and if i dont need it for 350 bhp i may not use it
Fake Ben Taylor
28-01-2008, 21:18
it does look like it is, :nod: im still deciding wheather or not to use the stainless manifold and just use the standard cast one, i can make the flange im bolting to the back of the turbo accept an external wastegate if i need to so wouldnt be hard, im just so worried about this manifold dropping weld into my engine, and if i dont need it for 350 bhp i may not use it
std cast one with ext. wastegate is fine for 350 and more :)
james got 360 on his like that with a lot more available:nod:
hmm, im really not keen on the stainless one at the moment and if this turbo fits with the cast one then its going on like that, just cut up a piece of steel and measured the flange on the turbo so ill see if i can fit the wastegate in on the back of the turbo, doesnt look that hard to do imo,
Fake Ben Taylor
28-01-2008, 21:23
wastegate on the back of the turbo???
it needs to go on the manifold before the turbo.........james' was welded on top sticking upwards.....also its a t3 flange on the rb20 manifold
yeah where the origional wastegate would be if it had an internal WG, i would just be plumbing an external WG into the same place, altho im a little worried that the hole is a little small,
i dont want to weld anything to the cast manifold really, i could do it as i have an oven but it seems a little extream.
Sideways Danny
29-01-2008, 03:19
yeah where the origional wastegate would be if it had an internal WG, i would just be plumbing an external WG into the same place, altho im a little worried that the hole is a little small,
i dont want to weld anything to the cast manifold really, i could do it as i have an oven but it seems a little extream.
that's just not going to work. I'm actually speechless :wack:
Sideways Danny
29-01-2008, 03:48
Actually, go for it, I want to see WTF you're gonna try :wack:
i think your getting the wrong end of the stick here,
im talking about the hole before the turbo fins themselves,
where you would normally have the trap door covering with an internal wastegate, the gasses are normally vented from here when there is an internal wastegate fitted so i was just going to plumb the external wastegate to the same place, but the hole in the turbo looks a little small, ill try and get a pic of where it will go
just found this pic on google, its not the best but the left hand turbo has the same flange as mine.
http://www.redz31.com/images/turboupgrade/comparison1.JPG
the small whole is where the standard internal wastegate would go so if i make the flange up with a pipe coming off this hole with an external wastegate flange fitted to the end i could then fit an external gate rather than an internal jobbie
Sideways Danny
29-01-2008, 15:44
all the looks of an extrenal wastegate. NONE of the gains. Weld a flange on tha manifold please god before my eyeballs explode
this is what i was wondering, will the hole be too small to gain anything, thing is, if you weld to cast iron it WILL crack so im not really sure,
if i have to use the stainless one i will but its uber tight and not a very good fit on the head either, :(
Sideways Danny
29-01-2008, 18:04
you can weld cast without it cracking if you use the right rods (ark welding), get the manifold nice and red hot with a gas torch first and you mount the flange on the top so there's as little weight trying to break it as possible
Fake Ben Taylor
29-01-2008, 18:59
james flange was just migged on top :wack:
worked fine too :D:D:D:D
ill try find a pic
Jezz_S13
29-01-2008, 19:05
That hole in the exh housing is far too small for a wastegate, creep city!
Putting it there would be almost as wrong as painting your engine bay with underseal! :D
Needs to go on the manifold.
Sideways Danny
29-01-2008, 19:10
Putting it there would be almost as wrong as painting your engine bay with underseal! :D
I actually had to use my inhaler then hahahahahahahaha:D
Ol'_200sx_thing
29-01-2008, 19:13
I actually had to use my inhaler then hahahahahahahaha:D
PMSL :wack::notworthy:smash:
Dude, a properly-positioned ext WG dumps exhaust gas at the pre-determined boost level BEFORE it reaches the turbine, hence providing a very accurate method of boost control.
Internal actuators dump exhaust gases AFTER having passed through the turbine, hence providing a crude method of boost control, subject to spikes. Plus, an internal wastegate is so small, you'd get silly boost creep given the amount of air these turbos deal with at any sort of decent boost.
IIRC, the best configuration for turbo & ext WG is in a 'Y' formation.
Actual_Ben_Taylor
29-01-2008, 19:28
all the looks of an extrenal wastegate. NONE of the gains. Weld a flange on tha manifold please god before my eyeballs explode
Will work fine, just take a look at the AMS turbo kit as fitted to Gary's EVO
http://www.ap-tuning.co.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=658&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Sideways Danny
29-01-2008, 19:34
Ok, I'm a bit shocked to see that. How big is the hole in Garys housing?
Jezz_S13
29-01-2008, 19:36
The WG hole in the exh housing is going to need to be bored out a fair bit upto around 40mm before that'll work though Ben, surely?
Even compared to the T28 or whatever it is next it, it looks tiny.
Unless he want's to run high boost forever.
Actual_Ben_Taylor
29-01-2008, 19:39
Ok, I'm a bit shocked to see that. How big is the hole in Garys housing?
Same 5 bolt Ford style housing.
OK, but what's the point?
It must work, but....
Jezz_S13
29-01-2008, 19:46
After all the crap I've had with creep because of a short 28mm restriction, I can't see how that would not creep; unless because of where the hole is something clever happens. :confused:
Actual_Ben_Taylor
29-01-2008, 19:49
After all the crap I've had with creep because of a short 28mm restriction, I can't see how that would not creep; unless because of where the hole is something clever happens. :confused:
Depends on a lot of stuff to be honest, that housing creates quite a bit of a restriction which will reduce creep, the size of the housing also helps.
Jezz_S13
29-01-2008, 19:55
This is from the ATP Turbo site, from the GT35 page...
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/Turbochargers/housing04.jpg
Looks to be pretty much the same.
I just don't get it. I've seen them fabricated onto the exhaust housing itself, but that's still expelling the gases before they've completely filled the housing. What was the purpose for doing this setup and what gains were found? The gases have even further to travel now.
I'm genuinely interested, but still confused :wack:
Does look very nice though :)
hmm, im very interested now, the way i see it, the turbo has a wastegate hole in it made to suit the turbo itself, i mean they do a plate with an internal wastegate to suite this turbo, and that uses that hole, :nod:
and i mean look at the size of the hole in a GT2871 turbo, its no bigger and will run similar power to what this turbo can
i can port the turbo out a faor bit more, its 20mm at the moment and i recon 25mm is no problem at all,
that evo turbo set up is exactly how i want to do it,
Fake Ben Taylor
29-01-2008, 21:05
25mm would effectively be the same as running a 25mm wastegate.......thats way too small imo isnt the 2871r gate 30+mm?
Can't think of one good reason for a setup like that :(
I've searched, but come up with nowt :confused:
It's very common on race vehicles for an external wastegate to be welded directly to the turbine housing. It's usually done at an angle to offer the best flow of exhaust gases out of the turbine housing. This was the case on the Toyota GTP carsin the early 90's, one of the most successful turbocharged cars of all time. Here's the stats, I'll try to find a picture...
Someone please tell me why you would place an external WG after the turbine housing? Fine, it works. But why?
Fake Ben Taylor
29-01-2008, 21:18
the only reason i can think of is room (room on an evo would be tight hence why this way)
Actual_Ben_Taylor
29-01-2008, 21:26
the only reason i can think of is room (room on an evo would be tight hence why this way)
Nope. AMS also do an EVO manifold with twin external wastegates.
Just a couple of factors to consider:
Positioning of the wastegate take off :- you could have a huge wastegate, but if it isn't in the right place then it isn't going to work properly (hence why welding it on the top of the standard manifold isn't necessarily the best idea).
Back pressure :- more back pressure = less boost creep.
Spec of turbo...
There are loads of factors, wastegate size is one, but it isn't the only one...
im really wondering if garry at APT has bored out the turbo port for this external wastegate set up, i know a few of you are very sceptical about doing it this way with creep etc,
i can bore out the turbo a fair bit by the looks of it and i dont have to do it exactly round so i can get a larger size by elongating the hloe a little, 30mm is not imposible by the looks of it, and surely that is massive for only 350 bhp.
im more worried about this manifold dropping weld into my engine or turbo as it looks well nasty inside,
Fake Ben Taylor
30-01-2008, 00:22
weld the wastegate above the collector of the cast one and use that :thumbs: you KNOW it makes sense :nod:
i would but the collector is devided inside so im not sure how it would work, there would be have to be half the port in each side of the manifold probably be fine, if you can find a pic of the one you know of, or ask for another pic that would be great :)
Fake Ben Taylor
30-01-2008, 00:29
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l95/jrtuning_2006/DSC00652.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l95/jrtuning_2006/DSC00474.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l95/jrtuning_2006/DSC00473.jpg
best i can find :thumbs:
well i am going to have a look at doinf something like that tonight in work i think :)
did he not have any bonnet clearance issues with that wastegate being that high???
Fake Ben Taylor
30-01-2008, 19:37
nope
well ive just done it lol, i milled a whole in the manifold so that both banks of 3 both vent from the WG.
then i welded it on, but i wouldnt call it welding rather nucular fusion :wack:
i had the wender up only to about half and oh my god was it savage lol, i almost blew through the pipe i welded to the manifold at one point and it has a 6mm wall thickness lol,
ill get some pics up tomorrow as i have no cable at work.
Fake Ben Taylor
30-01-2008, 22:10
:thumbs:
I'm interested in seeing this :Wack:
I'll run an EXT wastegate eventualy, i thought the whole point was to have it before the turbo for accurate boost control?
Is it being welded onto an OEM manifold so its before the turbo? Im lost :wack:
calicagesracing
30-01-2008, 23:19
nice work mate:thumbs:,
why'd you opt out of the top mount after?
oh, and did you get sorted with a gearbox after
my gearbox is going to be here on friday according to the garage now, taking the piss a bit but its quite ideal for when i want to get it all back in so not too bad,
i didnt like the top mount manifold at all, the welding inside is shocking and ive had experience with them dropping weld into turbos and bores before and its not nice,
also i found that they make the car a little more laggy which i want to avoid as much as i can with this engine, and given the turbo being quite large anyway i thought keeping the standard manifold would be a better option.
i have welded the external wastegate port exactly the same as the pics aboove, i milled the manifold flatt at that point then bored a whole the internal diameter of the pipe i was to weld to it,
it was a bit rough as i didnt have a tool large enough (now theres a sig quote if ever i saw one lol) so once i welded it up i took the die grinder to it and ported it all out to the correct size and for better flow, i think its acctually an ideal place for the wastegate too so should work really well.
this set up also gives me loads of room to make my exhaust down pipe too so cant really loose :)
edit, for ben, what power did that engine make as it looks to be an almost identical turbo to mine, did he uprate the injectors too
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