SXOC sprint/drag/topspeed day? [Archive]

ian_t

15-12-2006, 01:08

Purplepower

15-12-2006, 08:46

What about creating a SXOC TOTB.

We can hire the venue like last year. Set up the figure of 8 as close as we can get it. Hire timing gear and then split the costs of the track between the 50 to 100 sxoc participants. Also maybe another 20-40 invited cars of other board users that drive scoobys, westys, liners etc for extra coolness.

I know a guy that has a very good camera and will make a DVD of the day for everyone to remember the day by.

I very much doubt you would get enough interest for that mate. Just look at the Apex free trackday. It was free FFS & still only half of people turned up who registered interest. (aound 50 IIRC)

ian_t

15-12-2006, 11:16

I very much doubt you would get enough interest for that mate. Just look at the Apex free trackday. It was free FFS & still only half of people turned up who registered interest. (aound 50 IIRC)

What are other peoples thoughts? I believe with enough notice we could get enough people, plus maybe we could invite one or two other clubs if its looking like numbers are short. I think as its a mini competition which anybody could enter it would get more interest then a trackday.

jrtuning

15-12-2006, 13:34

i think its a good idea and i would definately want to do it mainly as its on my doorstep and anything at elvington car related is pretty apealing to me :D

the main downfall i can see is the cost. im not certain but didnt bren pay about 3000 pound to hire elvington for the apex trackday? i may be a bit off but it wasnt cheap.

i cant remember how many entrants there were to TOTB last year but i know one of the main problems there was the waiting periods, especially for the handling circuit :( .

if you did have to pay 3000 pound fir instance you would need 300 people there paying 100 pound each :eek: or 100 people paying 300 pound each :eek: :eek: which isnt going to happen (once again dont quote me on the prices as i could be a fair bit out here and some of the cost bren paid would of been to pay the Javelin marshalls etc :nod: )

i dont know what the sxoc's policy is on putting forward money to aid funding an event like this maybe its something that could come up in the next meeting if we could gather some more info/some sort of plan and a rough idea of numbers, then perhaps they would put some money from the club towards it if its predominantly an sxoc event :nod: :sxoc:

we have good motorsport ties with the fiat coupe owners club and the mx5 owners club (thanks mainly to kev:thumbs: ) so i would say these could definately be invited along with some other clubs like the lancer club skyline owners club etc etc :nod:

just a few things to consider and think about there :)

bren

15-12-2006, 13:48

We paid £3500+vat :eek:

ian_t

15-12-2006, 13:56

my sister will prob bring her mx5 along :)

if we say £5000 for the venue and £1000 to hire the timing equipment if we get 100 entrants tehn that is £60 each, you got a factor of ten out jrtuning :)

edit - main issue with TOTB was it was poorly organised, they were more stopped then start with chavs running accross teh runway at teh bottom end. It ran from 10.50 ish to about 15:20, but that was enough to get about 120 cars through so if we run from as soon as we are allowed to make noise till the last minute we should get plenty of goes maybe cap it at 120 entrants.

There are other suitable venues too inc bruntingthorpe which can have the straight line at one side and maybe not a figure of 8 but some sort of sprint course the other side.

jrtuning

15-12-2006, 14:12

:o my bad :wack:

i was thinking it was 3-4000 pound to hire it and then thinking its only 99 pound for a trackday there through either bootatrack or javelin and they always have around 50 people there so where are they getting the rest of their money from :annoyed: :rolleyes:

in my defense i am actually good at maths and do have a seriously bad headache at the moment that feels lieka rhino is sat on the side of my head :cry:

ian_t

15-12-2006, 14:16

Well book a track also have insurance and wages to pay too.

I dont know how much insurance will cost but i expect it will be expensive.

any insurance experts? what would the insurance need to cover? as obviously people will have to sign there life away on teh indemnity form?

I could email the TOTB organiser as he will prob have lots of info that can help.

jrtuning

15-12-2006, 14:22

might be best to start a seperate thread containing any information gathered and quiestions/suggestions/criticisms people have and keep this one for TOTB :)

this is the company that run the drag racing days at elvington by the way :nod: http://www.straightliners.co.uk/non_java_frame.htm

ian_t

15-12-2006, 14:25

okey doke :)

ian_t

15-12-2006, 14:41

We had an excellent track day organised and paid for by bren last year, what say we do the same again. Given a more competitive side where people can find numbers and stats on their cars it is bound to generate more interest. Brens trackday was also SX only, if we invite some limited numbers from other clubs (preference given to regular SXOC board users) then we should get enough people together.

Possible venues -
Elvington or Bruntingthorpe

Events - Drag/top speed/sprint - points accrued accross the 3

prob about 60 200sxs and 40 invited cars

things that would need to be organised - venue/timing gear/insurance? (if required as its not a public event may not be needed with indemnity slips)

likely cost - £60each (estimated from top of head)

This company organise a scooby day
http://www.straightliners.co.uk/non_java_frame.htm

something similar?

200sxslide

15-12-2006, 15:26

sounds great mate let me know what happens but would defo be up for this :thumbs: :sxoc:

marty_t3

15-12-2006, 16:06

The Celica owners club did one a few years ago at Elvington which turned out be be a big success. Might be worth having a word with them about it. I enquired about it at the time with Karen Hancox on the GT4OC and she suggested holding a mixed event. GT4s would make some good competition for 200's :nod:

jrtuning

15-12-2006, 18:52

As said on the previous thread i would definately be up for this and would be willing to offer any help needed to organise it aswell :nod:

was personally thinking may time would be a good time to do it as its before TOTB and would be another day for those wanting to take part to get a qualifying time, i dont think there are any big events in may like JAE or donny show etc.

could also get a magazine involed like the apex trackday too :nod:

ian_t

15-12-2006, 20:07

May might be a tad early but can always try for it, will also have to see what the moderators think about the idea especially the new chairman and sm the events guru :nod:

I imagine getting a mag involved would be fairly easy :)

15-12-2006, 20:44

things that would need to be organised - venue/timing gear/insurance? (if required as its not a public event may not be needed with indemnity slips)?

Any event posted on, or otherwise affilated with the SXOC, must have medical backup to a good standard, trained marshalls and equiment, and insurance :thumbs:
We chose this plan a while ago, when Vez and I went to a scooby event with non of this, and it was close to being very very bad, luckily only a new-ish car got totalled, driver wasnt injured, trapped or burnt to death.

I wont be organising an event like this, I've got a dairy full of trackdays, shows and this will take a lot of sorting. We are all ready running more events next year than ever before, incluing a social and track weekend at Anglesey, Somthing for Cancer Research with Kiz, and maybe something again with Apex if time, dates and such like are favourable.

risky business

15-12-2006, 21:55

Sounds like a good event.

ian_t

15-12-2006, 22:16

Any event posted on, or otherwise affilated with the SXOC, must have medical backup to a good standard, trained marshalls and equiment, and insurance :thumbs:

Sounds reasonable :nod:

I guess there will be no objection to me carrying out some feasible studies to find out likely costs, whether its possible to do such an event then present this and see if enough of the sxoc would come?

Edit
I have just emailed straight liners ill post up with what they say in return when they do :)

Please continue discussing the pros and cons, it would also be nice to know as to whether people would attend such an event?

15-12-2006, 22:44

I guess there will be no objection to me carrying out some feasible studies to find out likely costs, whether its possible to do such an event then present this and see if enough of the sxoc would come?
Not at all :thumbs:

def

15-12-2006, 22:57

Nice one Ian i would love to see some data logged times for different cars at all three of those events:thumbs:

gt4,fduk, Honda revs and the Fiat coupe lot would be a great day to watch:nod:

marty_t3

16-12-2006, 03:57

Sounds reasonable :nod:

I guess there will be no objection to me carrying out some feasible studies to find out likely costs, whether its possible to do such an event then present this and see if enough of the sxoc would come?

Edit
I have just emailed straight liners ill post up with what they say in return when they do :)

Please continue discussing the pros and cons, it would also be nice to know as to whether people would attend such an event?

Ian, i'd be happy to help out with the organising if it's at Elvington (or anywhere else for that matter).

bren

16-12-2006, 11:16

Its £3500+vat to hire the venue, marshalls, insurance etc etc. The full caboodle. Thats £4112.

Thast for one person to hire the whole thing. If they take individual bookings then its far more work and theres greater chance of not filling the day so they will be wanting to make a larger margin on the day for the additional risk and work involved.

ian_t

16-12-2006, 12:41

Is that with the company straight liners? Do they organise everything? Also how much would camping be? How did you manage to get the food places on site?

That would be a good price :) if could get everyone to pay 65 and then we could pay them when we get 60 people together and then give a refund on the day if we get the full 103 people a 20 refund can be had. Unfortunatly the difficult part will be raising the capital and paying by their deadline in order to secure the day.

I will ask them about paying as a one off and what sort of deadline for payment they will require. Also we will need an account to store any money, is their an sxoc account that can be used?

All assistance welcome marty and jrtuner :nod: . I think if we get the go ahead for this then dhracer will draft a website up to help advertise the event that plus maybe some signature advertising. It will be then a case of colecting enough money for the deadline otherwise it will fall through and the event canned/refunds issued. We all know people like to pay at the very last minute too which could be a issue.

What do you think about the allocation given to other clubs? No tuner or sponsored entrys allowed? (except for SXOC related ones lol) Also quality of entrys - one fairly standard car, one fantastic and all in between? maybe lets pay particular attention/preferance to clubs that dont get spaces at TOTB?
GT4s - 5 cars
fiat oc - 5-10 cars
honda - 5 cars
mx5s - 5 cars
300zx - 5 cars
Random marques - 25 cars (eg TVRs, westfield, AE86, lexus)

Fake Ben Taylor

16-12-2006, 14:19

as was mentioned in the various chairman and update threads.....what would the clubs position on sponsoring an event like this be with a view to using it to select who represents the club at totb??

other clubs could participate but pay a percentage of the cost?

those who enter and do a sub 12 get shortlisted for totb? those who are capable but dont show up to this event without a GOOD excuse dont get to represent at totb. means it woud have to be booked near to the deadline for entrants totb

big_dude

16-12-2006, 14:47

i would be very interested in this and know several people with sx's and other marques that would too. If this were to go ahead for the sake of people the people / persons organsing the event it would be best for all possible attendee's to pay up front. If this didnt go through then everyone gets a refund. So long as its a trusted admin member, i cant see that anyne would have a problem with this if they were 100% interested.
All credit to those of you who trys to set up meets like this one...... :notworthy

16-12-2006, 15:08

what would the clubs position on sponsoring an event like this be with a view to using it to select who represents the club at totb??

The club are subsidising track and social national events, on top of the regional ones, to the tune of £4000 next year, and all the budget is accounted for.

I'll take account of ALL info I can get in selecting the TOTB team, obviosuly an event with a similar format to TOTB would count for quite a lot :nod:

ian_t

16-12-2006, 15:09

at 40 quid a head i dont think we would need sponsorship for this one :) in fact i know about 10 people that would want to do something like this (although not sx owners a fair array of FTO, s2000, CTR, caterham etc) so getting numbers together will be easy (getting em to pay up quickly and decide whether they will be aviailable at some random weekend in the future will be v v hard though lol)

The event doesnt necessarily have to be a discriminator for TOTB. Thats up to kev to decide the team, and i think you'll get considered if you get a good 11/12, and that can be done at any drag strip you dont have to wait for whether this events goes ahead (or not if lacking support/logistics) :) . I think the level of evidence required will be soley determined by how many other cars are working and wanting to do it. It might be the case that you have a working car a dyno sheet and a set of BFG tyres in the boot if no one else enters.

jrtuning

17-12-2006, 11:25

All assistance welcome marty and jrtuning :nod:

i will gladly help out :nod:

that 3500+vat was with Javelin trackdays http://www.javelintrackdays.co.uk

One thing i was wondering about was who to do the day with as javelin are just trackdays and straightliners are just drag racing and would need to find out if one or the other could cater for both disiplines drag and sprint :nod:

I highly doubt that Javelin will have all the timing equipment etc needed for drag racing and on the same note straightliners may not be able to manage a seperate sprint area although i would of thought it would just be a case of having a few extra marshalls than normal, perhaps another medical crew :nod: and bring lots more cones and another set of timing equipment :nod:

pete shrimp

17-12-2006, 11:31

if you did have to pay 3000 pound fir instance you would need 300 people there paying 100 pound each :eek: or 100 people paying 300 pound each :eek: :eek: which isnt going to happen (once again dont quote me on the prices as i could be a fair bit out here and some of the cost bren paid would of been to pay the Javelin marshalls etc :nod: )

LOL Yep you're a fair bit out, ten times out in fact! :thumbs: :sxoc:

jrtuning

17-12-2006, 11:39

LOL Yep you're a fair bit out, ten times out in fact! :thumbs: :sxoc:

yes yes we know :rolleyes: i blame a severe migrane for that small error thank you ;) :p

jrtuning

17-12-2006, 11:56

just sent an email to straightliners asking if they would be able to cater for an event like this, how much it will cost, a list of possible dates and when a deposit/full payment would be needed by :thumbs:

17-12-2006, 12:33

James, I think Ian has already done that. To avoid work can you make sure you are all chatting to each other, you'll also appear more organised & serious to the organisers that way ;)

Fake Ben Taylor

17-12-2006, 13:15

James, I think Ian has already done that. To avoid work can you make sure you are all chatting to each other, you'll also appear more organised & serious to the organisers that way ;)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

well done james:clap: :p

jrtuning

17-12-2006, 13:52

didnt spot that :)

ian_t

17-12-2006, 13:53

oops lol yep its best only one emails/phones ;)

have a free launch -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TchM2baNI1c

jrtuning

17-12-2006, 13:56

no problemo i will leave that in your hands for now then :nod:

not a bad launch was that the false start though :D

ian_t

17-12-2006, 14:00

aye unfortunatly I think i fired when they hit amber :rolleyes:

my previous 2 hit el-huge-turbo-boggo-down hitting 13seconds with a stupidly poor 60ft. I think i still managed to get a good 1/4 with the bog down because you get no spin in 2nd gear with these tyres :)

Polo

17-12-2006, 21:34

Id defo be in on this and 3 of my mates with sx's but not on here.
Did i see fiat on that list of other clubs:confused: cant have that:no: just jap, imo:nod:

17-12-2006, 21:42

Scared? - lol - the FCCUK are a good bunch IMO.

ian_t

18-12-2006, 01:54

Its just a suggestion , prob best idea is to put it to the sxoc vote wrt main clubs invited. If the info comes together regarding venue, safety, date costs etc. We would need people who have a vested interest in both clubs to set things up :) . I would like to see mainly jap cars too but sxoc have a history with fiat coupe OC. Plus we wouldnt want to turn away some very good cars, TVRs, monaros, cosworths etc by making it all jap, prob just 80-90% jap ;) and hopefully 50% SXOC.

I have a idea to get all the runs filmed, some 20secs on mods from each person, backing music etc. I shall also work on this :) idea I dont want it to be done for profit though so it may be a tad tricky.

18-12-2006, 08:30

Yhpm

OptiBull

27-12-2006, 23:08

Sounds like a good idea ian, just got to get it all together now! I would be very upfor this. Let me know if there is anything i can do to help :)

ian_t

27-12-2006, 23:40

No probs ;)

ian_t

08-01-2007, 16:50

Had a good long word with straight liners today and here we go -

He thinks that we might have difficulty raising the numbers for the event, and after speaking to him it has raised doubts in my mind too. I mean thinking about it brens trackday completely free yet only 50 came. If we had to pay 50 quid does that mean well only get 20 people (risk - medium perhaps?)? The tracks have gone up in price this year to pay for increasing noise litigation so its getting more difficult in fact its likely that wed only be able to do a handling circuit and a quarter of a mile as they are now not able to use the full track at any one time more then once every 6 weeks due to this. But it should be obvious as to who will get teh best top speed runs from the best terminal speeds in the 1/4mile.

Anyways, I think the best idea will be to tag on to an event that will be run on the 27th of may. This will also be perfectly timed for people who are interested in the TOTB team. To do this make everyone, including some of the other jap clubs aware of what we are planning and ask people to get the tickets early so that we get as many SX, MX5, FTO, 300zx etc there as possible.

What do people think? Im going to chat to the main guy next week about it again, he is currently mulling over the possibility of having a single event for us.

08-01-2007, 18:58

Coupe

08-01-2007, 20:30

Sounds like a good idea to me if you can get it organised.....

ian_t

08-01-2007, 21:12

Tagging onto an event is IMO a very good way of doing it, and how I have organised the majority of the SXOC trackdays including the Euro-Trip.

I'm game :thumbs:

That date Clashes with the proposed rotorstock date that will probably be at SantaPod this year.

Good point about the clash, ill see whats what when i ring him again. But i guess since prob best bet is to tag on to an event numbers are not as important so it will be mainly down to those interested in doing a sprint and drag mini competition rather then a main event. I suspect the event before that date will be some time in april, either the 9th or the 23rd of april.

Ill keep working on it ;) .

edit- They run a car even on 2nd of july, I believe this is 2 days after the TOTB deadline so might not be so good?

Vaughn

13-01-2007, 17:07

I will be up for it.

Vaughn

Scottie

14-01-2007, 11:56

if you did have to pay 3000 pound fir instance you would need 300 people there paying 100 pound each :eek: or 100 people paying 300 pound each :eek: :eek: which isnt going to happen

Mate, 300 people times £100 is 30 grand, not 3 grand.

100 people would need to pay £30 each, not £300 each.

Suggest you leave this to someone witha calculator ;) ;)

ian_t

06-02-2007, 21:02

Right the deal is before TOTB the only way we can put an event together with both a sprint and drag is to have it midweek. This might seriously limit numbers so I propose to the mods that I post up a vote in motorsport to see if its viable? Also would someone be able to spam the owners club as 80% of people (inc me) only check out that section once a month? or maybe a stickyised in 200sx related? Being a flexitimer this is fine for me but i imagine its only possible for a small percentage of peeps to get time off when they want?

Only other alternative for a w/e event is october :'( ?

ian_t

08-02-2007, 17:59

Date I have got back is Monday the 14th of May. The event tickets would be £80 and we would need 50 cars to make it worth while. So I would think capping the cars at 60 for max time.

So I would have thought wed need at least 35 definates from SXOC members to go ahead with it. Unfortunately as stated previously top speed is not possible due to a court order both elvington and brunters both have (something like only allowed by courts to do top speeds once a month and we aint booked far enough ahead) but we can have any sprint track design we want.

Permission mr kev to make a vote sticky in motorsport? well i cant make it sticky but I can start the vote with maybe the following options and also show names.

Yes, im in, my car works and I can get time off when I want
Yes but will have to see about time off or another issue
Maybe, ill make my mind up closer to the deadline
No, but id like to do a event like this in October or next year
No
No but id want to help out
No but id want to watch

This ok for me to post, this date the 14th isn't the day after any other event? as he has give me an option of 4 Mondays but unfortunately no Fridays.

def

08-02-2007, 18:41

where will it be held??

Why not have a couple of tuners on a free invite to boost the crowd a little or is this invite only?

ian_t

08-02-2007, 18:49

The event will be for those that are interested in a more competitive event following a totb format. There are no plans for a paying crowd but if it takes off I dont see why sxoc cant hold its own rotorstock style event in later years.

The event wont be invite only but then again we dont want a load of people competing in 60bhp cars (only permitted reason would be if there sx is broke lol) also jap and rear wheel drive is the preference :)

I would like to see the top SXs there a good porportion of members and a couple of friendly people from other jap owners clubs. 3 of my friends are interested with a CTR a s2000 and a mx5 between them. so thats 4 so far lol just need 46 more people hehe.

mike_s14

08-02-2007, 19:06

def

08-02-2007, 20:15

Where?

don

08-02-2007, 20:34

Bruntingthorpe? I've heard good reports on the 2 mile straight :D

ian_t

08-02-2007, 20:34

interested but after going to richies tsc, sure it cost half of this one

an airfield should cost alot less than 3.5k

after all with just alittle more money you could be on track all day at most venues

1) That was a long time ago now, airfields cost a lot more to pay for all the litigation that is occuring with noise complaints (lawyers are greedy leaches
2) sxoc TSC didnt have a timed sprint circuit with starting and finishing gate equipment
3) its not just the price of the airfield, there is insurance, timing kit, medical people etc and tbh i dont think looking at there prices they are making much profit at all
4) there are ways to make it cheaper, i will suggest a rebate if we get 60 or 70 but it may be hard to get 50 as this is midweek i dont know until i get approval for a vote

It will be elvington so I will be enquiring about camping, and if its not possible i will try some negotiating with local farmers lol.

ian_t

08-02-2007, 20:35

Bruntingthorpe? I've heard good reports on the 2 mile straight :D

see post 51 :)

ian_t

08-02-2007, 20:39

don

08-02-2007, 20:40

My bad:o I still fancy the place though. :)

08-02-2007, 22:14

Its the Monday before Japfest, but I'd still be game :D

Will sticky if you start a thread in motorsport :nod:

ian_t

09-02-2007, 08:58

Thanks kev :D

Ill go back home 2night and have a look at the dates and move it 2 weeks away just to be sure. Then post it up see if there is enough interest.

Andy

09-02-2007, 13:38

Why not look at RAF Woodbridge, as Richie did in years past with the Top Speed Challenge. I'm sure it didn't cost anywhere near that much, and the 3 events he organised were sell outs when other clubs were included as well.

The last was probably the best as it included one lane for doing 0-60 or 1/4 mile runs (can't remember which) and the other for people doing the Top Speed thing. It cut the queues and made for a more interesting day.

ian_t

09-02-2007, 14:23

Does woodbridge have the space for a sprint circuit as well as drag?

Who does the bookings is it defence estates? Any numbers?

Also the price might decrease in one front but increase in other fronts such as getting the straightliner staff and equipment down there. Plus its always incredibly difficult from a security point of view to get people on a RAF sight, there would need to be things put in place :nod:

But I wont rule anything out the event is still in the feasibility stage :nod:

Andy

09-02-2007, 14:29

I'm pretty sure there would be space enough for a sprint circuit having been to all 3 TSC events, but who handles the bookings I have no idea :(

There has been another event held there for the past 2-3 years similar sort of format, now if I can just remember (search out) what it was called, it might give a clue...

ian_t

09-02-2007, 14:37

LOL defence net aint any help either according to it there are only 3 posts stationed at woodbridge, 2 army captains and a WO2, and I doubt any of them take bookings :wack: Im gonna have a ring about and post up on the car forums.

Is it an active site, ive never been there b4?

is there as much off run-way space as elvington?

Andy

09-02-2007, 14:41

No, it's not been used by the military for some years, there are a number of car/bike related events held there every year though. Just come across this
http://www.turbo-nutters.co.uk/ from October last year, with a track layout, so it's possible. the main runaway is 2.5 miles iirc, which gave a useable top speed run of 1.7 miles allowing for queueing at one end and braking at the other. I'll keep looking, but maybe some enquiries through turbo nutters might reveal the people to get in touch with.

ian_t

09-02-2007, 14:44

Would appreciate it if you could.

Eddie_s13

09-02-2007, 14:57

would of been up for this but im at nur :(

ian_t

09-02-2007, 15:26

would of been up for this but im at nur :(

Is that an SXOC organised thing? As I wouldnt want the event to clash with club events.

Eddie_s13

09-02-2007, 15:28

nope, mates 30th birthday

ian_t

09-02-2007, 17:21

Poll is now up guys :)

docwra

09-02-2007, 17:33

Ill give Richie a bell and find out who we need to talk to at Woodbridge - the TSC's were very good, with plenty of space for straighline runs, and room for a bit of drifty goodness (although we werent supposed to use it) :D

ian_t

09-02-2007, 17:44

cool

Andy

14-02-2007, 08:14

Doc has spoken with Richie (thanks mate :thumbs: ) and this is what he said

- Just had a chat with him - Woodbridge is limited to a certain amount of events a year, and may not be the best bet. The old TSC events cost around the 5K per day mark and most of the actual organising was done by a chap called Terry Homan 01255 508120 - he told Richie what was required and provided the timing stuff etc.

Rich suggests we contact him, tell him that we know Richie (he'll speak to Terry and vouch for us as well) and see what he has to say