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SpeedyPete
29-11-2002, 09:58
Highly Modded 200 Vs stock NSX
Who'd win? :P
***** I guess :)
N/A engines suck...
Jezz_S13
29-11-2002, 10:50
mmmm not many around so hard to say, but NSX would prolly kill/murder/rape/decapitate ***** on the track.
Hmmm, it would have to be a very highly tuned 200, and it would probably only win on 0-60 round the twisties the NSX would paste it.
The NSX is an awsome car, the handling was sorted by Senna, and Honda build the best N/A engines in the World. Here are some stats:
Honda 3.0 V6 V6/2977, power (BHP) 274, top speed (mph) 168, 0-60 5.9S
200 stats for completeness:
Nissan 2.0 Turbo 4/1998, power (BHP) 200, top Speed (mph) 146, 0-60 7.5S
200 Vs. NSX
When i read that I immediatly thought of an imaginary post called Corsa Vs. 911 Turbo ;)
My soon to be father in law has an NSX, and though you'd be able to mod a 200 so it accelerated as fast, you'd never be able to match the handling I'd say. The NSX is sooooo sweet on the twisty bits.
This is the real killer though. It costs less to run than my 200 :( :eek:
bond_200
29-11-2002, 10:58
Depends on the road and the drivers ability - as always when u try to compare how fast cars are against one another.
Honda engines have some of the higest specific outputs of any engines you could think of example:
Integra Type R = 187Bhp from 1.8 litres. This gives approx 104 BHP/litre
Nissan 200 = 200 from 2 litres. This gives 100 BHP/litre.
THe Honda engine wins and it does not have a turbo!!!
Nik
What can let the Honda down at times (and this is common to most high power Hondas imho) is a comparative lack of low down torque. Fine if you want to thrash the engine to within an inch of it's life (the NSX sounds much, much better than the 200 when you do that), but a little wearing when just wanting to pootle home after a hard day at the office.
Still, if I'd been able to afford a new NSX at the time I got the 200, I'm afraid the Nissan would not have got a look in.
I agree, getting a Honda to go quick takes a lot of practice, but when you get it right they are awesome.
Look at it the other way, if you stay below the VTEC range the fuel comsumption is great - I managed to get 40 mpg out of my 'Teg during the fuel shortages last year!
I have found that people either love or hate Hondas, driving or being a passenger!! I used to love the reactions from passengers. They ranged from shutting up and holding on to shouting 'fook me, is it broken?'.
Nik
Nathan_200sx
29-11-2002, 11:31
I've raced one from Hatfield and on acceleration it kicked my ass big style. the driver must have been wet because I caught him on big sweeping corners where he hould have been ok:confused: he must have had a rev limiter which held him at 110mph as well, so on the straights I just kept going to 120 and then slow down to let him catch up then back to 115~120 again:D. very fast cars just a shame it was a wus driving it :rolleyes:
The Teggy is a crazy one when the Vtec cuts in. Peoples faces change to the look of fear cos of the noise and pace of em. Handling was fantastic aswell
SpeedyPete
29-11-2002, 11:41
Yeah, a mate of mine has bought the new Civic type R. And i admit its pretty nice (apart from the spine shattering suspension!)
The only thing that worries me is when he does flaw it, the engine just sounds like its gonna go pop!
It must just be my ignorance of v-tecs but it sure as hell doesnt feel like it will be on the same engine in 5 years time!!!!
Trust me Pete the Civic is soft when compared to the Integra. Both well tasty cars though
mambastu
29-11-2002, 12:34
The handling is must be pretty awesome on the NSX. I was talking to a guy who owned a tyre place a few years ago and he'd just changed from a 911 Carrera 2 to a NSX.
He was saying that on a particular sweeping 90 degree bend er..... on a track...that I'm on the ragged edge at 105 he reckons he can get through at 120....glub :eek:
neil240z
29-11-2002, 12:55
After having many civic and crx vtecs and been in preludes honda engines are truly amazing the VTEC unit is the most powerul N/A engine in the world!
you can get 190hp from a 1.6VTEC without even uprating the cams. and beleive me they NEVER pop under hard driving my old civic saw 8500rpm 50 times a day and never any trouble, I also pulled an impressive 15.4 a the pod which for 150 ponies aint bad it had done 150k too!
but no low down torque as Nik said gotta drive em hard!
I had a 16v CRX turbo a while back with a HKS kit on and a 5th injector I wound the boost up to about 1 bar and it was really quick! prob similar to a 300hp 200 sx!
NSX is one of my dream cars and when Im a qualified MCSE i might just get one.....:D
regards
Neil
Papa Lazarou
29-11-2002, 12:56
And the Honda engines are designed to be rev'd hard. As long as you don't do it when the engines cold and have it serviced on time every time, it will last for years.
As for the original question, as has been said already modding the SX to beat a std NSX - or Z or Skyline or Supra or pretty much most things on the road - in a straight line is easy IF you have the mooolah...
SpeedyPete
29-11-2002, 13:07
MCSE?
Im waiting for mine, but I doubt I'll still be able to afford an NSX on a basic MCSE wage!
Ah well, heres to future consultancy when I have grey hairs and an NSX! :p
neil240z
29-11-2002, 13:09
pull the other one pugpete MCSE is about 30k basic and you can get an NSX for about 18-20k..... I beleive so!:D
SpeedyPete
29-11-2002, 13:23
Not in the midlands it isnt!! youd be lucky to get 24k, im still on 17.5k and I know the mcse stuff!!
However, Im willing to relocate if it is the going rate elsewhere! (but not london!)
neil240z
29-11-2002, 13:25
Well I guess you looking in the wrong places for jobs dude!
You should move to the states and average MCSE earns about 65000 dollary doos a year...:D
regards
Neil
SpeedyPete
29-11-2002, 13:27
Funny you should say that, cos I am!
Sick of this country, the government, the weather (especially), and the overall negativity of this red taped island!
Heres to an NSX in the USA then earning $60k :)
neil240z
29-11-2002, 13:30
Sick of this country, the government, the weather (especially), and the overall negativity of this red taped island!
Yahoo!!!! me wants to come.....mmmmm NSX :cool:
craigrogers
29-11-2002, 14:31
Time to switch jobs then, go for Cisco certification, money is much better! Even in the Midlands!
neil240z
29-11-2002, 14:32
Im doing Cisco stuff too!:D
hope it helps with the dosh
Neil
The NSX is great, no doubt about it!
But still... I think a highly modded ***** (300bhp+), with a couple of cents spent under the car aswell, would give the NSX some serious competition.
mambastu
29-11-2002, 15:56
Originally posted by neil240z
pull the other one pugpete MCSE is about 30k basic
Don't believe the hype mate, its ********. The MCSE makes very little difference to wages, it might get you into an interview thats pretty much it.
Well! So whats a MCSE then?
I'm a MWDFSE and a RPS too by the way! Is that as good?
SpeedyPete
29-11-2002, 16:36
MCSE means jack, I know, Im there!
Originally posted by Dai D
Well! So whats a MCSE then?
I'm a MWDFSE and a RPS too by the way! Is that as good?
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer.
Worth not much really as it's just an exam. Time spent doing the stuff in a work environment is worth much more to the employers, and in the current IT climate (have you seen how thin Computer Weekly & Computing mags are ATM? - Zero jobs.) there's an awful lot of highly qualified people looking for jobs.
Getting back to the NSX debate though, they did a test in Wales a few months back for EVO mag with NSX, Corvette, 911 Turbo and M3 Coupe and these guys couldn't shake the NSX away at all around the twisties. These cars are fantastic. Out and out performance isn't special but the handling is a dream. BTW, I've driven one about 20 feet!! :) Used to work for a Honda garage but wasn't insured for it so couldn't take it on the road :(
GenerationNexus
29-11-2002, 17:52
Hold on am I missing something here, someone quoted for a 98 SX 0-60 7.5 secs???
Jezz_S13
29-11-2002, 17:56
Originally posted by GenerationNexus
Hold on am I missing something here, someone quoted for a 98 SX 0-60 7.5 secs???
Yeah i noticed that too, tis bollox, 6.5 is more like.
neil240z
29-11-2002, 18:07
indeed! and an S13 is 6.8.....:D
GenerationNexus
29-11-2002, 18:11
thank sphincter for that, for a moment I had a rare "super" stock S14a!!!
Colin Gibson
29-11-2002, 18:25
so whats the secret of the NSX handling then? is it mid, front or rear engined? is the engine positioned low down? What kind of suspension/roll bars etc, or is their some electronic wizardry involved?
Just curious?;)
Adam_AE86
29-11-2002, 20:41
neil240z
Did you sell ur CRX turbo to a kid called Bill in the newcastle area??
Rear wheel drive mid engined.
Basically built as a circuit car, with Senna working with Honda on the handling.
neil240z
29-11-2002, 21:40
Fubus,
I did!! and he has sold it on to someone in the Leicster area I believe.
How do you know Bill?
Neil
neil240z
29-11-2002, 21:42
He didnt buy a big yellow one of you the sameday he got mine did he?
Bloody exhaust was HUGE!!!
Imran Tunio
29-11-2002, 23:04
Originally posted by neil240z
He didnt buy a big yellow one of you the sameday he got mine did he?
Bloody exhaust was HUGE!!!
I believe that CRX is near me, it's one of my friends friend. Its yellow with a carbon fibre bonnet, CRX look like they have had their arse end chopped off!
Moved cos it's not about 200's any more.
Adam_AE86
30-11-2002, 08:17
yep thats my old CRX , DP motorsprt backbox on ascar stainless system.
That car sounded amazing when it hit the vtec zone, mugen body kit, adkit speed alloys in black, ive got a pic somewhere i'll dig it out.
He's sold ur turbo crx now aint he?
If you saw my post on what colour to paint my car you can see why i didnt go for yellow again, i ve had 2 painted that colour now , KP61 Starlet and That Rex its a SiR import by the way Glass Roof, LSD etc, alot faster than the standard UK Vtecs.
Imran Turino
If you ask Bill with my old CRX where i am cos he came down to fetch that one so he will be able to give you a better idea of how far it is. Mind you i think he came on the train of if i remember rightly and drove back.
neil240z
30-11-2002, 09:21
Crikey its a small world, I was the next stop after you from Chesterfield. And Bill does live in Stockton
how cool!
Neil
Martin T
30-11-2002, 17:36
Originally posted by neil240z
pull the other one pugpete MCSE is about 30k basic and you can get an NSX for about 18-20k..... I beleive so!:D
I hope you dont believe it. I thought that before I had an MCSE. an MCSE SHOULD get you about £18 Grand up to about 20 with a years experience. Only after a good 5 years with a good track record will you be able to get that kind of money.
neil240z
30-11-2002, 17:38
well after five years i hope to have a qualification as an analyst or network architect, so the pennies keep rising!
neil240z
30-11-2002, 17:42
I dont know who your working for that bobbins wage but I have applied for desktop support jobs @21k you guys are obviously looking in the wrong places:confused: as I only have a A+ and win 2k pro at the mo but 2-5 years experience is usually a big key in the bigger paying jobs!
regards
Neil
Martin T
30-11-2002, 18:55
Originally posted by neil240z
I dont know who your working for that bobbins wage but I have applied for desktop support jobs @21k you guys are obviously looking in the wrong places:confused: as I only have a A+ and win 2k pro at the mo but 2-5 years experience is usually a big key in the bigger paying jobs!
regards
Neil
It doesn't matter whether you applied for the jobs - Its whether you got offered them! I've applied for a £23K job where I met all of the prerequisites quite well, but didn't even get offered an interview!
MCSE is just a buzzword anyway. Most of the jobs advertised that say "must have MCSE" make bugger all use of the so called skills that an MSCE is supposed to teach.
Must Consult Someone Experienced.
I think I'll go for A CCNA next anyway, as the work and the money's better. (no dealing with dumbass users!)
Has anyone got and Cisco router simulation software?
IMO, the MCSE became worthless the moment someone could pass it without ever having worked in a real-world situation, just like what happened to the Novell exam before it. I have met quite a few MCP's and MCSE's who shouldn't be left alone with a pocket calculator, let alone a PC, yet also met a lot of people who barely got GCSE's and to whom I bow down before their supreme computing knowledge.
Besides, as I've found out, bits of paper generally mean fook-all in the computer industry compared to years of real, hard experience.
Martin T
01-12-2002, 19:24
Originally posted by Keith_C
Besides, as I've found out, bits of paper generally mean fook-all in the computer industry compared to years of real, hard experience.
Bit like the porn industry, then!:D
realityx
01-12-2002, 20:01
Originally posted by Keith_C
IMO, the MCSE became worthless the moment someone could pass it without ever having worked in a real-world situation, just like what happened to the Novell exam before it. I have met quite a few MCP's and MCSE's who shouldn't be left alone with a pocket calculator, let alone a PC, yet also met a lot of people who barely got GCSE's and to whom I bow down before their supreme computing knowledge.
Besides, as I've found out, bits of paper generally mean fook-all in the computer industry compared to years of real, hard experience.
couldnt agree with you more,
I did a mcp a few yrs ago, but theres nothing
practical involved ..its all mainly paperwork,
to anyone who is doing a mcse I suggest
you get 3-4 pc,s and everything you learn
you practise&practise on those pc,s.
as with most software or apps,
if your doing the same things again and
again it very quickly becomes second nature.
also if you make a mistake.....no ones network
will go down except ya own:D
Originally posted by Martin T
Bit like the porn industry, then!:D
Yeh, but we've only got 3.5" floppies!!
Originally posted by NikB
Honda engines have some of the higest specific outputs of any engines you could think of example:
Integra Type R = 187Bhp from 1.8 litres. This gives approx 104 BHP/litre
Nissan 200 = 200 from 2 litres. This gives 100 BHP/litre.
Aren't BMW the winners here? As I recall, the original M3 was the first NA car to achieve > 100BHP per litre. The CA18DE doesn't manage 180 BHP on 1.8 litres - it needs a turbo to do that...
Martin T
02-12-2002, 11:16
Originally posted by kuddy
Yeh, but we've only got 3.5" floppies!!
But we also have a hard drive!
Originally posted by davidra
Aren't BMW the winners here? As I recall, the original M3 was the first NA car to achieve > 100BHP per litre. The CA18DE doesn't manage 180 BHP on 1.8 litres - it needs a turbo to do that...
Yeah, but let's be honest - who wants NA when you can have turbo rush? :D:D:D
My take is the NSX is the MUCH better car...
Take GIS3, with the race between the standard NSX (well it has nice wheels) and the 450bhp Supra Turbo, the NSX beats it to the half mile more or less puerly because the Mid engine and no lag lets it put the power down WAY better....
Ill bank with the NSX thanks ;)
Jezz_S13
02-12-2002, 14:22
mmm first M3 was a 2.3litre, I'm sure they ranged from 200-225bhp, so not quite 100bhp/litre. Bit pedantic there sorry. :o:)
neil240z
02-12-2002, 14:32
Well when I was on about super VTEC's I did mean 4 pots. BMW cars 4 pots are crap and the M spec engines are highly tuned
think porsche take the biscuit for the most powerful NA 6 pots though there boxers.
Honda engines are king in my opinion!
nowt wrong with Nissan ones though but the bottom ends dont last that long....:)
regards
Neil
Martin T
02-12-2002, 14:36
Originally posted by neil240z
nowt wrong with Nissan ones though but the bottom ends dont last that long....:)
Yeh tell me about it:rolleyes:
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