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crackdownuk
21-11-2002, 23:57
hi i have just got back into my martial arts and am look for any place thats sells Nunchukas and pratice Nunchukas (the ones with the foan round them) does anyone know anywhere or online, must be in the UK really as the US wont ship them over
thanks for lookin
Imran Tunio
22-11-2002, 00:16
can't remeber of the top of my head, have a flick through combat magazine if they still make it or something similar. Otherwise do a search on google.co.uk make sure you click UK only bud!
join a school that trains these weapons if you really want a set, you'll be able to buy them from the school. Lau Gar Kung Fu and Wing Chun Kung Fu are the main styles that use it, think there's a Dragon Society Lau Gar School in Birmingham not too sure though..
I use to do Lau Gar and we had a load of weapons at the classes.
Some of the stuff was bought at Carnaby Street in Central London. There are a few places in the city selling the stuff, but I have no addresses or contact numbers. Perhaps yell.co.uk will bring up something. Surely these shops will ship to Birmingham.
dave_s13
22-11-2002, 09:12
Waste of time IMO, sorry.
When you ever gonna need to nunchuck someone??
Go to a Muay Thai club instead, the training is more 'real' if you know what I mean. None of this pi$$ing about with forms and semi contact sparring, you get stuck in and learn how to kick the $hit out of someone as quickly as possible.
Its great fun.
nightmarechu
22-11-2002, 09:28
Hi all, bit of a strange one for my first post but you can order foam covered Nunchuks from www.decathlon.co.uk cost £11.99
http://www.battleorders.co.uk
Bit pricey, but are UK based. Don't get swords from them! They are crap for them.
AshT_200
22-11-2002, 17:09
I used to know someone who at the time was one of only 3 people qualified to instruct Ninjitsu in the country. And he was into all this weapons and stuff. He could tell (blindfolded) if someone had thrown a death star at him (oved out of the way in time) - I'm sure anyone could tell it had hit them....
He'd jump out of trees with bows and arrows ...... and they had a contract to teach pupils at New Hall School for Girls (Convent School) Self Defence.
Quite amusing really, that Nuns were promoting the secret art of assasination :D
aka-coley
22-11-2002, 17:22
Originally posted by dave_s13
Waste of time IMO, sorry.
When you ever gonna need to nunchuck someone??
Go to a Muay Thai club instead, the training is more 'real' if you know what I mean. None of this pi$$ing about with forms and semi contact sparring, you get stuck in and learn how to kick the $hit out of someone as quickly as possible.
Its great fun.
in lau gar kung fu you do not just learn to use weapens you are also trained to defend yourself against such weapons, considering martial arts are primarily designed for self defence and self enhancement i think you would be taking the wrong attitude if you start mauy thai with the aim to be able to kick the sh*t out of people. if you are wanting to know how to beat someone up then boxing is the most useful fighting skill to learn as kicks are pretty much useless in a street confrontation as many a wannabe jacki chan waking up spitting out teeth will agree. in my opinion if you want to learn a martial art which will be a real benefit to you as a person aswell as increase your safety then kung fu or boxing is the direction to go, and considering how many weapons are on the streets nowdays, the odds on getting mugged by a guy who hasnt got a knife is quite slim so that is where training in lau gar will be alot more beneficial than lining up a roundhouse kick and finding that by the time it reached the attacker he stuck a knife in your chest!
heh, having done both Thai and Lau Gar for over 2 years each I have to say Lau Gar is a lot better in the long run, Thai'll give you the right instinct quicker though so prob. the best Idea is to mainly train Lau Gar and go sparring at Thai or English Boxing once a week. Having said that I don't see the point in weapon training either apart from as a hobby, apart from defence against them of course.
Originally posted by AshT_200
I used to know someone who at the time was one of only 3 people qualified to instruct Ninjitsu in the country.
What is the guys name Ash, cos I might of trained with him, cos I have been practiceing Ninjitsu for 7 years.
Oh and this will ammuse you too the 'secret art of assasination' is in actual fact a womans martial art, but because it was soo powerful the men knicked it! lol
The best move (which is in the scrolls), is where the bird flashes her tits at the bloke then while he is temperarly shock, she kicks him the nuts and flees ..... classic :D
wildcard, who do you train with i have been doing ninjutsu for 4 years?
JonnySpeedbump
22-11-2002, 18:31
Dave_s13,
how long you trained in Muay Thai mate. I've been training for nearly six years now and am two grades off instructor level.
You're right Muay Thai is a brutal martial art and very effective...... I love it :D !!!!!
Having said that I have considered cross training in Ju-Jitsu and Vale Tudo as they are both excellent full-on martial arts.
Personally tho' I wouldn't diss' any martial art, they are all valuable for mental and physical training.... it just depends on what you're looking for.
Watch out for Alex Sneddon fighting on Sky's 'Ring Warriors' (unfortunate name eh? :o ) in the near future. He trains with my camp (Naikanomh Thom) and is a very entertaining fighter.
AKA-coley,
Muay thai isn't simply boxing, kicking, knees, elbows and grappling, we also train in self defense of which weapon defence is a large part. Basically in advanced gradings you are put in a position often with multiple opponents, where you have to prove you can defend yourself effectively. It's not correographed (sp?) though.... you don't know what you're up against till you step foot on the crash mats :eek: :D .
Muay Thai is widely recognised as one of the most effective fighting arts.
Rob200SX
22-11-2002, 22:08
Originally posted by aka-coley
If you are wanting to know how to beat someone up then boxing is the most useful fighting skill to learn as kicks are pretty much useless in a street confrontation as many a wannabe jacki chan waking up spitting out teeth will agree.
Very true!, I had a m8 who was quite a good kickboxer, but everytime he got into a fight after a night on the beers he always got pasted, kickboxing isn't good for that really, you need a certain distance between yourself and your opponent, much like some other martial arts
I think something like Win Chun Kung Fu would be better suited for self defence against typical street fights/attacks it's supposed to concentrate on close-quarter fighting isn't it?
Originally posted by ninjasx
wildcard, who do you train with i have been doing ninjutsu for 4 years?
My instructor is Gary Arther, and I have trained on two occasions with Steven Haynes, we flew him over for a weekend two years ago, and last year went out to his pad, and boy was it a pad!!
American Ninjitsu is very aggressive compared to British. Everything is a gun dis-arm, and earth movements (angry bear the most common stance), out there they don't practice to bring someone to the ground in a controlled way, they practice to break arms and legs! Very interesting, I learned a hell of a lot from Steven, if you ever get a chance to train with him take it! Pricey (cost us around £1200 each with flights) but well well worth it, the guy should be a grand master.
Originally posted by ninjasx
Very true!, I had a m8 who was quite a good kickboxer, but everytime he got into a fight after a night on the beers he always got pasted
I have a black belt in kick-boxing and use to think I was the ******** cos I could do flashy kicks, but it is a sport not a martial art, and completly useless on the streets as a aggressor or even for defence, there are only two moves that works and that involves breaking bones. When I took up ninjitsu I was so supprised with how powerful it is, and how adaptable. I did Jet Kun Do for about a year along side Ninjitsu and although I found it fun, it is no way near as powerful, or useful.
Originally posted by ninjasx
how long you trained in Muay Thai mate. I've been training for nearly six years now and am two grades off instructor level.
I had a burn at Muay Thai, and boy is that a aggressive martial art! Jesus! You ever come across someone who uses it ... run. Very hard to defend against, glad to hear you cross-trained with Ju-Jitsu Jonny, with the combination of the two you cannot go wrong. I would say give Ninjitsu a whirl though, if you are good at Ju-Jitsu you will progress through the que grades quickly and get on the NINjitsu side of things ;) The dark side. When you train with that you will see martial arts at its best. All the trickery used, and the spirtual belief. There is no stopping it, the fith element is indestructable ;).
dave_s13
23-11-2002, 13:05
Originally posted by JonnySpeedbump
Dave_s13,
how long you trained in Muay Thai mate. I've been training for nearly six years now and am two grades off instructor level.
You're right Muay Thai is a brutal martial art and very effective...... I love it :D !!!!!
Only a few months but I've been doing 2 sessions a week at the gym and quite a bit at home so I've progressed fairly quickly, still a very long way off anything good enough to have a crack in the ring though.
I wasn't dissin any other art as such (sorry, It did come over like that a bit I must admit), its just the weapons traning seems lke a bit of a waste of time really. There's a lad at our gym that does King Fu as well, he was on about how he'd just got himself a staff or summat (cost him £50 fikin quid!!).When I spar with him you can see the Kung Fu style cominf through and his stance, kicking/punching techniques all leave him open to attack. Don't know if you've ever seen any vids of Muay Thai againt Ju-jJitsu/Karate/Kung Fu/boxing?? The Muay Thai fighter invariably wins with relative ease.
Must admit though Muay Thai does lack ground fighting which is its only weakness, I'd lke to combine it with some Brazilian Ju-Jitsu or summat, then enter that UFC Championship......yeah right :)
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Very true!, I had a m8 who was quite a good kickboxer, but everytime he got into a fight after a night on the beers he always got pasted
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Like has already bee said, Kickboxing is a sport (developed from Karate I think) , Muay Thai was developed by the Thai's many moons ago to repell all sorts of dudes that tried to invaid their country. It is, therefore, designed to kill and maim in the shortest time possible. There is a weapon version of Muay Thai as well called Krabi Krabong, now that is the most fuking brutal martial art ever, your fooked against that; don't matter how hard you are, you can't fight without a head.
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If you are wanting to know how to beat someone up then boxing is the most useful fighting skill to learn as kicks are pretty much useless in a street confrontation as many a wannabe jacki chan waking up spitting out teeth will agree.
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Take a good Muay Thai Boxer and a good Boxer, the boxer will go down in a very short space of time.
A well executed roundhouse kick to the top of your thigh (boxing doesn't defend below the waste BTW) and, at best, you'll lose the use of that leg; at worst, you'll pass out cos it hurts like a bugger.
Not dissin boxing though, its a fine sport, it just doesn't cover as many of the bases as Muay Thai does.
Again, sorry if I offended anyone, martial arts and the one you choose to do are all good really. Anything is better than sitting in front of the telly with a Big MAc every night.
MUAY THAI still rules though.......:D :D
BTW.
I go here and train under Richard Smith
www.badcompany.co.uk
If anyone on here is from Leeds and fancys Muay Thai this is the place to do it.
There is another problem in Muay Thai that is not just the ground work. It is the amount of energy you use with it. It is a art that praises the strong and powerful over the weak and slow.
Some people might think this obvious, however in ninjits it is usually the thinker who wins. I have always refeered to ninjitsu as a science because it is based on simple, mimimun energy expendesor moves.
I would say anyone who practices a martial art should learn the basic que grades to jui-jitsu it helps sooo much not only within your martial art, but also on the street. There are many occasions where you will have to phisically deal with another person, however it would not be appropiate to use force, jui-jits solves this as you can bring a person to the floor quickly, without inflicting much pain, and keep them there.
Papa Lazarou
23-11-2002, 13:30
I trained in Kung Fu on and off for 6 years. Lately I really haven't put the time in to get anywhere with it but the basics stay with you.
Weapon training might not be practical for most encounters you're likely to have. I wouldn't carry weapons around with me although I may sometimes have something in the car just in case.... But believe me it forces you to look at the whole situation rather than just concentrating on dealing with one person. Its no good laying into someone if his mate is stood behind you preparing to stick a knife in your back. And sometimes its going to be better to leg it if the odds are stacked against you ;)
dave_s13
23-11-2002, 13:51
Originally posted by WILDCARD
There is another problem in Muay Thai that is not just the ground work. It is the amount of energy you use with it.
True, its an extremely demanding way of fighting. I've been on the brink of passing out/chucking up quite a few times from over exerting myself. BUT. If I've exerted that much energy on someone, and got it right, it shouldn't really matter, they should be at least unconcious if not dead :)
Originally posted by WILDCARD
I would say anyone who practices a martial art should learn the basic que grades to jui-jitsu it helps sooo much not only within your martial art, but also on the street.
Totally agree, its just a time/money thing for me unfortunately.
And sometimes its going to be better to leg it if the odds are stacked against you
When it comes to some tw@t going at you with a knife this is the best action to take. You need to be highly trained to deal with someything like taht and even then your probably best off llegging it. IMO.
Good martial arts forum here BTW
http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/
aka-coley
23-11-2002, 14:14
i wasnt meant to come across dissin any martial art, they are all beneficial for you as a person, i was just saying how i feel that having a knowledge on how to defend against a weapon could one day be very useful ( and yes running like linford christie is the best form of defence in such a situation) :D i wouldnt f*ck with anyone who has a good knowledge of an art, i would get pasted, but i just feel that in a street situation a punch will arrive alot quicker than any kick. and u need more room to manouvore for a kick and most trouble seems to happen in pubs and clubs u are just as likely to lay a kick on the person to the side of u or that petite bird u are chatting up at the bar!! :) if there is other arts that can be used to real effect in a real situation i would say judo and ju jitsu are very handy, seeing royce gracie grappling someone is a very painful looking sight!
:)
Papa Lazarou
23-11-2002, 14:28
Originally posted by aka-coley
but i just feel that in a street situation a punch will arrive alot quicker than any kick. and u need more room to manouvore for a kick and most trouble seems to happen in pubs and clubs u are just as likely to lay a kick on the person to the side of u or that petite bird u are chatting up at the bar!!
Flashy high kicks are usually not practical. In practice kicks you actually use are delivered below the waistline, and can be very effective. Kicks and punches can be combined simultaneously to add to the confusion.
As one of my teachers put it "would you punch someone in the foot? So why kick someone in the face"
aka-coley
23-11-2002, 14:38
papa thats a good way of looking at it!! :D :D i try to rely on being fairly large built so that people might wrongly come to the conclusion that i might be able to handle myself :)
dave_s13
23-11-2002, 15:31
Originally posted by aka-coley
i just feel that in a street situation a punch will arrive alot quicker than any kick. and u need more room to manouvore for a kick and most trouble seems to happen in pubs and clubs u are just as likely to lay a kick on the person to the side of u or that petite bird u are chatting up at the bar!! :)
:)
Thats partly true, however Muay Thai uses knees which are a close range attack, when done correctly it will wind your opponent and break ribs.
Understand that Muay Thai kicks aren't 'ballet like' manouvers, they're the most efficient way to turn your shin bone into a baseball bat. After all this art was developed for armies to use in real combat.
If you've ever been kicked in the leg by someone that can do it properly you'll understand how much it hurts. My instructor demonsterated on me the other week, just a light tap to the top of your thigh nuscle and thats it you can't fking walk anymore. There's loadsa time in Muay Thai bouts where fellas pass out from that.
There's also grappling/headbutting and throwing, all stuff you do in a streetfight.
dave_s13
23-11-2002, 15:33
Other thing is, you expect someone to throw a punch; not latch onto your neck, knee you 3 times in the ribs, elbow you in the face then knock you out with a right cross.
Element of suprise and all that :)
Originally posted by dave_s13
If I've exerted that much energy on someone, and got it right, it shouldn't really matter, they should be at least unconcious if not dead :)
I know, like I said before if you come against some one who knows Muay Thai .... RUN! lol The whole point is to win a fight within 3 minutes. Cracking martial art, and great for fitness, if I wasn't such a lazy *******, I might give it a whirl again, lol.
With regards to weapons, we train with everything, knives, swords, sticks, bo stafs, guns, dog chains the lot. The reason being not only can we defend against them, but also any move you make with a weapon in your hand(s) is the same as with out, so it is another way of learning basic moves (but with a different angle on it), thus making you able to fight without thinking.
Anyone who gets to black-belt in any decent martial art (that is thought right, god I have seen some crap instructors) should just be able to react, and then as you walk off leaving your opponent lying in the gutter thinking 'what just happend?!?' You think to yourself 'oh that was good taki-miori lock I used' :D
All this talk has got me thinking of taking up a martial art again. I did judo when I was much much younger but nothing serious. I quite fancy the sound of Ninjitsu (from whats been described here). Anyone got any links to whatever martial art you practice so I can take a look at em?
Thanks
Dave
Here is a link explaining what it is about http://www.bufuikan.com/ninjutsu.html
Check if there is a dojo near you. When you go ask questions.
Here is a good list to ask:
What weapons do you use (instructor should say anything)
Are there any rules? (should say no, you can do what you like)
How much traditional stuff is there? (not alot we cut it out cos it is not useful 2day)
Do you have to be strong and fast? (no)
How long will take me to get a black belt? (7 years if you train daily)
Watch them work, it should look clumsey, if anything looks flashy (like a round house kick) walk out, it is not proper nimpo.
If the intructor shows you how to break bones on your first day, walk out he is a ****er.
If there is not a pic of a grandmaster on the wall, or the nimpo symbol http://www.five-rings.org/ninwborder.gif be cautious.
I say all this cos there are alot of crap teachers out there, who think that if they watch a couple of films they are qualified to teach.
Join up, it is a cracking martial art, that will really benifit you if you stick with it. You will be able to hand any violent situation and also improve your mental awareness and outlook.
Just make sure the class is for you. Some classes are good, but they like to train as if it is the real thing, this can be very dangerous and painful, our school we act out the move 'full on' once to see how powerful the lock/throw/etc is, then train slowly (and less painfully) the rest. I say this cos if you come home with bruises all over you (you will get a few mind) you will not keep it up, I know I wouldn't!
Brill,
Thanks for the info mate.
I'll take a look at that link. Been reading up on lots of web pages tonight, I'll add that one to the list :D
Dave
I did TKD for a while but got real bored. Tried kick boxing and all the gym near me got me to do was run around a field all night and then get the **** kicked out of me by some real hard *******. Also got the piss taken out of me on a regular basis cause all the fancy kicks I was doing from TKD was not really there style. They called me a fairy. I promptly left the club.
Best ones I found was jeet kune do and wing chun. Loads of grapling invloved, very scientific and very fast. It was all about destroying you oponents moves with blocks and attacks at same time, so much so a block was actualy meant to be an attack if that makes sense.
My instructed apparantly could do five attacks in one second? he was fappin quick with his hands though.
Gave it up when i was 18 as it was too expensive. It was private tutoring and cost 15 quid an hour!, had to travel to get there too. I put the money to better use and bought drugs, beer and cheap women with it instead.
Now years on, I can't really be ****ed with it. Looks good and makes you feel pretty good, but heavy on the wallet and there is no way i could fit all minimum of 10 hours practice a week in. My car, drinking, kids, missus and work take up all my tme now.
Thx
Steve
Ok,
after reading endless amounts of precious info. I have decided to take up an art.
Main Objectives:
1. Get fit
2. Get Stronger (already quite big and strong anyway)
3. Know how to "Properly" handle myself in a situation.
as I am quite a large lad, in your honest opinions, which would be the best art for me?
Cheers peeps
Papa Lazarou
25-11-2002, 21:12
Originally posted by Tim Simpson
Ok,
after reading endless amounts of precious info. I have decided to take up an art.
Main Objectives:
1. Get fit
2. Get Stronger (already quite big and strong anyway)
3. Know how to "Properly" handle myself in a situation.
as I am quite a large lad, in your honest opinions, which would be the best art for me?
Cheers peeps
Everyones opinion is going to be different. First two objectives - pretty much any of them, or even a few hours in the gym each week would help. I've done kickboxing in the past and it was a pretty gruelling training session so damn good for fitness..
As for the 3rd, I'd personally go with one which teaches controlled techniques. I'm thinking ju-jitsu, Wing Chun kung fu, maybe aikido etc. They don't rely on brute strength and are very self defense orientated. Any of the martial arts when you get good enough are going to teach you to handle yourself. But I think these are more "self defence" focused, and should enable you to do enough to make most people back off without dropping their head on your knee or smashing their head in with elbows :) Jujitsu and wing chun anyway have techniques which are designed to be lethal so their not a soft option.
Ninjitsu, I say this cos this is the one I favour. Unlike you I am 6 foot and weigh 11 stone, and am very skinny.
However I can throw you 3 foot in the air and on your ass. This is because Ninjitsu is a science not a sport. There are way you move your body aganist different size/weight people. This works if you are small like me, or big like you, there are equal advantages to both. Also it will break you into fitness slowly as you do not need to use a great deal of energy nor be especially fast.
What it does for you, is give you more stamina, and the knowlege to handle all types of situations, it probably will not help you get stronger (mentally certainly), and will not turn you into Arny.
Best thing you can do is turn up to them all, see which martial art will work for you, and then start training and see if you still think so after a month.
Cheers,
I will no doubt come back when I am black and blue after a training session.:D
dave_s13
26-11-2002, 11:20
I'd say Muay thai, only cos I think it will be hard to find somewhere that can properly teach you Ninjitsu (is that assumption correct?).
Muay Thai will get you fit very quickly, your muscles will tone up and become more powerfull and if you pay attention and work hard you will have no problem handling yourself in any situation.
(Except of course if I were to mug you, you wouldn't stand a chance :))
If you want to become an all round mean mofo then I would look to Ju-Jitsu to supplement your skills, Muay Thai doesn't have any ground fighting techniques, this is its only weakness really.
Then there's cost, my gym charges £20 to join up then £3.50 per session. This is bloody good value if you consider a poncy gym membership to be £50 per month with a considerable join up fee.
How much do other peeps pay for their training??
You''l need you own gear after a bit as well, usiong the gym's own gloves and pads is OK but their stuff get a bit stinky.
So thats Gloves - Shin/instep guards - Gum sheild - Box - Hand wraps - Anklets (ankle supports) - that'll cost about £100.
Have a look here www.alsgym.co.uk they're very good.
Your biggest problem will be finding a good place thats near to you, I go here www.badcompany.co.uk and train under Richard Smith, if you look in the links section I think there's some info on gyms in other parts of the country. If you send a polite email to Richard Smith I'm sure he could recomend somewhere near you thats good.
I you like a bit of violence you'll really enjoy Muay Thai, its great fun. Good luck m8 let us know what you end up doing :)
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