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Hi,
I am lucky enough to get a place in next years scumball rally. The rally has few rules:
1: Raise as much money as you can for charity, I am doing it for Kent Air Ambulance. I aim to raise £5,000
2: The car must cost less than £1,000
3: Have Fun
It starts with a track day at Donnington, Then drive to Dover, France, Belgium, Germany then 2 days going round the nurburgring. Then on to the French GP circuit in Riems for a photoshoot. Then back to the UK.
The whole thing is being covered by a TV film crew and will probably go out as 5 one hour programs.
I have spent quite some time thinking what car I should do it in. I think a 200SX would be great fun. I had a S13 when they very first come out and loved it. If it makes it I would keep it and use it for some track days and RWYBs.
I have had a look around and I have seen quite a few S13s for under £1,000 What is your advice and what should I be looking for? Rust, engine problems, etc etc.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Vaughn
Welcome.
I don't know anything about S13s, but someone who does will be along shortly.
Jon-s14a
08-11-2006, 21:03
Welcome mate :wave: , im sure someone will be along soon to point you in the right direction in regards to s13 ownership.
Just make sure you take out european breakdown cover when you depart for the rally....:D :wack:
Hello.
big ends if you are going to do that amount off miles
TheNickos
08-11-2006, 21:09
does the 1k mean you could get a 1k shitter and count donated parts (suspension, brakes, etc) as 0 cost ?
Shortcut
08-11-2006, 21:11
Welcome:wave:
rust wise rear of sills and tops of front struts, and boot lid, wheelarches but that shouldnt affect you too much.
Good luck
The £1,000 rule works like this: When you turn up at the start you have to bring your V5. If the organisers think you are pulling a fast one the will give you £1,000 and you have to sign over the car to them, if you don't you go home.
However, I am looking at a couple of cars on ebay and might have a few hundred left over to get some extra bits :-)
I can weld well so I can do any of that.
What do I look for as far as telling if the crank is on the way out?
Vaughn
If your getting one and expecting to do high milage, I would recomend you get one with a duff looking chassis, renew the engine, bigends, compression etc, swap the transmission for a lower milage s14 unit and check the turbo. Also get some good tyres and rear locking bushes.
rev up to 3000 or just above and let the revs fall, if you hear a clacking noise (sounds like top end, but isn't and sounds very knocky rather than tappy if that makes sense :wack:) then you have big end problems.
if its just for the charity event, then don't worry so much about rust but get one with the big ends already done?
Inlet valves can go too, they make the engine flood easily when cold, hard to start and shaky too - like its missing, but not. Makes a good scooby sound out the exhaust too and runs fine when warmed up, but you might find the next time to try and start your car from cold it'll never fire unless you crank for aaaaaaaages. Or just never.
They rust badly on the sills, turrets and rear arches. Oh the tailgate and boot too, but they're no so bad come MOT time they just look a bit crap (and you can weld them up too) :)
All the rest is standard RWD turbo car buying, look for the smoke, rear end 'drift' damage etc...
Perhaps you should take a compression tester with you, cold tests can discover inlet valve problems and you should probably do a search for big end noise - someone will have a sample for you to hear. Infact - allow me :
Originally Posted by RichardB a few months ago
Engine Noise Vid (http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~hbruce/test.avi) (4.5mb)
McRearout
08-11-2006, 21:55
What do I look for as far as telling if the crank is on the way out?
Vaughn
Short of taking the sump and shells off, not a lot.
You can hear them if they're on their way, but by then its to late.
Try and get one thats had a recent engine and/or a good home for the last few years and it should be alright.
Get/make some cheapo strut braces if its going to be going round all them twisty bits as the chassis flex quite a bit.
Learn how to check an S13 dipstick too :)
OK I'll go for it :)
How do I check the dip stick?
Vaughn
What should the compresions be?
Vaughn
11 bar or better each cylinder I would say, important that they all read the same too.
dipstick is a pain in the arse, basically park on level ground and remove the dipstick, then wipe it dry and dunk it, then check the lowest part it reads and don't bother trying again as you will have dragged oil up the tube and it'll annoy you.
BTW I'm well chuffed you're doing this mate - you should let us know where you are - the locals will probably help you out. This place is one of the best things about owning an S13, very helpful this lot :thumbs:
McRearout
09-11-2006, 08:35
or park it on level ground leave it overnight and check for an accurate reading.
Failing that the dip -1" 10 wiping times method works too :D
Put the dipstick all the way in apart from the last inch, pull out and wipe.
Repeat 10 times and then put it all the way in for an accurate reading :)
as said fella well done for doing it in a 200 :clap: , i watched this years scumball, looked like a good crack and for good causes, if you need any parts for the body , i know someone who;s about to break an s13 and can get most body parts for you.
just pm me and i'll see what i can do, sadly the engine is gone so cant help there.
Christ sake you bunch of Pansys S13's arent that bad. :rolleyes:
I know of a vgc Auto that has had the shells done that will be going up for about £700 with no rust anywhere on it - mine only cost a grand and Ive done the best part of 10K without any probs either :)
Go for it mate - just check the car out before buying it, same as if you were going to keep it yourself :thumbs:
No Doc, they're not - but about all the problems they tend to have are listed so he can get a good 'un. :)
playworker
09-11-2006, 11:43
Don't forget to weld the diff :D
Don't forget to weld the diff :D
lol :wack:
Paul_S13
09-11-2006, 15:59
Just do a big end check and fit an oil cooler and you should be o.k.! :D
Christ sake you bunch of Pansys S13's arent that bad. :rolleyes:
I know of a vgc Auto that has had the shells done that will be going up for about £700 with no rust anywhere on it - mine only cost a grand and Ive done the best part of 10K without any probs either :)
Go for it mate - just check the car out before buying it, same as if you were going to keep it yourself :thumbs:
I would assume a lot of 140mph autobahn action so I would get a bit paranoid and over do things.
BTW oil cooler very good idea too :) maybe a couple of flush throughs of oil/ add a magnetic sump plug. All depends on if you can get one with good service history, unlike NA cars turbos tend to make sludge of oil pretty quikly when not changed and things die. Id even change the oil/filter half way through the run.
Yeah I agree with the oil cooler for runs of above 100mph for any amount of time.
playworker
09-11-2006, 17:28
BTW oil cooler very good idea too :) maybe a couple of flush throughs of oil/ add a magnetic sump plug. All depends on if you can get one with good service history, unlike NA cars turbos tend to make sludge of oil pretty quikly when not changed and things die. Id even change the oil/filter half way through the run.
Agree with this, if you get it in plenty of time before the event then drive it lots in preparation and do lots of oil changes (like every 500miles, cheap oil is fine as long as it's fully synth) to try and get rid of the crap that's almost certainly built up from the years of neglect that most S13s go through.
If you go the oil cooler route make sure you fit an oil temp gauge too (only ~£25 off eBay) last thing you want is to be over cooling the oil
Cheap springs and dampers from somewhere and weld the diff (I was serious, best cheap mod EVAR!)
Paul_S13
09-11-2006, 17:31
If your going to do long distances the I wouldn't weld the diff, the tyres might not last long.
If your going to do long distances the I wouldn't weld the diff, the tyres might not last long.
And it'll drive like shit too. You'd only want a welded diff for drag or drift. For living with they're fun in a clown car kind of way :wack:
And it'll drive like shit too. You'd only want a welded diff for drag or drift. For living with they're fun in a clown car kind of way :wack:
Indeed. People looking at you like youre some kind of child murderer because your tyres are squealing, regardless of the fact you are only doing 0.1 mph :rolleyes:
Wet roundabout - shall I understeer and shit myself, or oversteer and shit myself?? :ghey:
playworker
09-11-2006, 17:47
Ah come on you wusses, my daily driver is MIG-spec and I'm sure lots of others are too - people do look at you a bit strange when you're parking but meh!
Wet roundabout = handbrake :nod:
It's the Scumball rally guys, a clown-car style approach is totally required :D
Thanks for all the replies.
I live in Gillingham, Kent.
I will take any help I can get.
I might weld the dif up afterwards as I do want to keep it and do some Drag Racing/Drifting. but I will to the Scumball 1st.
Also do all the Jap car shows next year too.
There are a couple on ebay at the moment that look posibles. The only problem with those it that are a long way away and I can't check them out. However, I have sent them a message saying that I am going to use the car for a charity run and do they think the car would make it. I am not holding them to it. After all what do you expect from a car that cost a couple of hundred quid :) I also asked would it be OK if I came with a film crew to pick it up?
As yet I have not had a reply:annoyed:
Vaughn
Vaughn - if you dont mind an Auto Ill have a word with the bloke I know - he had an engine replacement recently and will only be looking for 7-800 notes for it :)
Yeah Vaughn , I'd advise scanning this place for cars - you're gonna get a better deal and people like the good doc are worth checking out too. Some people here are more honourable than others but I'm sure all are more honourable than ebay ;)
Thanks for the offer but I only want a manual.
I will keep an eye on the for sale section and see what comes up.
Vaughn
Thanks for the offer but I only want a manual.
Good man, autos are :ghey:
:D
Me and a mate were on about doing the Scumball rally last year but it never really happened. Some steals to be had down the local car auctions not far from me, some cars were just going out the door for silly money, there was a Primera GTI with a full ticket that went through at £200.
Always fancied doing the scumball in a big old merc, jag or beemer.
I mist admit that a big Jag or a BMW were discussed, but the 200SX won :sxoc:
Good man, autos are :ghey:
:D
roflol
You can of course get a manual popped into it, its more important that the engine is in top condition and set up with safety margins and cooling for high speed endurance.
May work out better to get from a trusted board member then ebay too.
I aggree that a :sxoc: member would be best.
I will keep looking in the for sale section and if any one comes across one please let me know.
Vaughn
who is running it next year?
The guys from Goodwood or the guys from London?
I have bought my 200sx S13.
I got it on Ebay and I am picking it up Tuesday week.
The engine, gearbox and all the mechanicals seem fine. (Famous last words)
The owner also had a load of spares. Turbo, head,etc.
The car failed it's MOT on rust. which I can do.
So once I have it through the MOT I want to do a few upgrades.
what about:
Strut Braces?
Brakes?
Oil cooler?
oil temp gauge?
Advise on what and where to buy please.
Vaughn
I would say strut braces are a waste of money, certainly at the early stages anyway. For handling, aim for whiteline anti roll bars. I personally think the brakes are OK (not amazing, but good enough - money better spent on tyres or ARB's imo)... I would definately suggest an oil pressure guage and sensor if you can do it, it'll keep you less paranoid out there... Don't think I'd like to be without one anymore. A temp guage you can do without (you can kind of guess judging by the oil pressure) but it would be nice.
all my humble opinion of course, I'm sure others will differ.
For handling, I would get some rear locking pineapples. If you can afford it, some lower springs ARBs and good alignment would come in handy. Obviously decent tyres help, even with its very tailhappy in the wet. Oil cooler definatly for sustained high speed runs, if your running more then 12psi I would recomend a front mount intercooler, much higher and get the fueling checked out, maybe a jez chip for fuel economy benefits. Oil temp guage wont be needed with an oil cooler IMO. Prob best to keep the stock rims to make the car look cheap, some nice matt black spray will also make it look less then 1K.
Brakes, if your going to do anything sustained on track on the journey, new discs and some ferodo ds2500 or at least some mintex (no where near as good but half the price. Obviously some new fluid. Check the clutch is in good order if your planning to do fast starts running more then 260bhp the standard kit might not be up to it. Also you can remove the clutch damper to make the clutch more controllable and easier to bleed.
http://www.zeroyon.com/index/content/view/32/47/
post in the wanted section and bump for anyitems you want if no one has ads for 2nd hand kit.
Check engine thoughly too :)
I'm sure after all the help you'll receive off here, hope you're going to put a nice large SXOC sticker on it:D
:sxoc:
Take a look at the blaggers guide to S13 modification for some inspiration...
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=63508
If you could get a Saab or Volvo front mount intercooler and feel happy to chuck it in then I'd suggest it - more of that turbo pressure will make it into the engine and make you go faster ;) A stage 1 chip and a 'bren device' (dawes device really) wouldn't go a miss if you can get one in for for sale section... at 15psi the T25 gives a nice punch to the car you'll be more than happy with.
Oil cooler would be very wise for long runs of over 100mph too.
Otherwise its up to you but my personal #1 priority would be ARB's :)
What is an ARB?
I will be pluging the club :sxoc: , thats why I joined and I will be putting plenty of stickers.
Where is the best place to get the oil cooler if I want a new one.
Vaughn
Moby-Dick
14-11-2006, 11:12
ARB = Anti Roll Bar - the Whiteline ones are thicker & uprated.
Try the for sle board for some second hand kit , or find a cooler off ebay (BMW M3 ones are a good size! ), get hold of a cheap ish sandwitch plate and get your local hyraulics place to make the pipes up.
http://www.thinkauto.com/ is a good place, but yeah 2nd hand should obviously be cheaper. http://www.gaugeplace.co.uk/ is very good too, they'll do sandwich plates, take offs, gaauges :wack: and possibly coolers too.
Both very well priced and full of genuine 'non boy racer' knowledge.
Dont forget :-
For quick reliable service and excellent customer support, if you cant get a hold of second hand kit:
http://www.apex-performance.co.uk/
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=30
APT for a top notch garage that wont charge the earth, for anything you dont fancy DIYing or any issues you cant resolve.
http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=60
30something
15-11-2006, 23:07
Surely the point is to complete the rally and all money should be spent on making it as reliable as possible?
Run it at standard boost, full service inc. top quality fluids, fit oil pressure and water temp gauges, etc etc, no point it being a bit quicker round the ring if that is where the trip ends!
razza987
16-11-2006, 02:52
Surely the point is to complete the rally and all money should be spent on making it as reliable as possible?
Run it at standard boost, full service inc. top quality fluids, fit oil pressure and water temp gauges, etc etc, no point it being a bit quicker round the ring if that is where the trip ends!
Yeah, I kind of agree with that, isn't it supposed to be £1000 including the cost of the car? So how much have you got left to spend? Surely not enough to be considering Jez chips, DS2500 and ARBs??? :confused:
The car will be reliable with an oil cooler, and will handle well with ARB's - nothing else need be done really. Oil press. gauge tells you enough to know what's going on in the engine and the rest is communicated by rattles :)
That can be done for £1000 wihtout too much hassle even if the ARB's were bought from Apex at £250 a pair, but of course the american ebay market shows you can get them much cheaper anyway and 2nd hand is always going to be cheap. Skint people know these things ;)
Yeah, I kind of agree with that, isn't it supposed to be £1000 including the cost of the car? So how much have you got left to spend? Surely not enough to be considering Jez chips, DS2500 and ARBs??? :confused:
Yes but they might not necessarily know that you might have been lucky and bought the car with all that kit.
do you think this'd pass for a 1k car ?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/colinjy/DSC00026.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/colinjy/DSC00025.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/colinjy/DSC00024.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/colinjy/DSC00027.jpg
with standard wheels and exhaust ?
I reckon it would providing there's no shiny FMIC and blue samcos running everywhere under the bonnet. But what if they offer to buy it off you for a grand?
I reckon it would providing there's no shiny FMIC and blue samcos running everywhere under the bonnet. But what if they offer to buy it off you for a grand?
A s13 with one or two basic mods perhaps, but then again its a very old car s14s arnt so old and there probably worth about 2.5K in bad condition.
I expect the mods for the rally will be using the glasses guide :nod:
30something
16-11-2006, 11:13
Na, you won't get away with that S14.
You don't think? I've seen them go very cheap... it would be cutting it fine I suppose and if they use book prices then yeah could be problematic.
Poor condition M reg S14's have gone for £500 before, depends if you'd be allowed to buy a car for that, fix tubby, HG or big ends or whatever was wrong with it and then enter it or not? you need a can of spray on rust (or a lampost to smash into) :)
Nah your right, been looking around for cheapo bargains and there's none under a grand that could afford the work needing done.
well i was gonna put mine up for sale at the end of the month for 2k as it is.
most ppl with good condition s14's sell them or try to for 2200 - 2800
i just want rid of it.
if they offered to buy it off me for 1k i would but then id rag the shite off it in the rally
But part of the fun is to see if you can do it in a car thats cost you under a Grand.
It is all about having fun and rasing money for a good cause.
It's not a race it's a mobile party :)
I am going to stay with the sprit of the thing and keep the spending on the car to as close to £1,000 as posible.
I will get it through it's MOT and then see what money I have left. Next on the shopping list is an oil cooler. As getting there and back is the most important thing. Then I will look at ARBs etc.
30something
19-11-2006, 10:03
But part of the fun is to see if you can do it in a car thats cost you under a Grand.
It is all about having fun and rasing money for a good cause.
It's not a race it's a mobile party :)
I am going to stay with the sprit of the thing and keep the spending on the car to as close to £1,000 as posible.
I will get it through it's MOT and then see what money I have left. Next on the shopping list is an oil cooler. As getting there and back is the most important thing. Then I will look at ARBs etc.
Sounds like you have the right attitude, I'm sure you will have a lot of fun and it would be great to see an S13 finish the event
I wouldn't personally bother with the oil cooler as unless the engine is in near factory condition (unlikely!) you don't want to be giving it the sort of punishment that would require one anyway.
Fit one when you get back and then thrash it :D
Jonny Wilkinson
19-11-2006, 10:54
I'm not far away in Maidstone.
If you want to spend half an hour chatting and pointing and poking round mine and your S13 I have a fairly good idea what mods people make and how much they cost.
PM me if your interested.:thumbs:
Take him up on that Vaughn :nod: :thumbs:
thanks for the offer you have a PM
Sounds like you have the right attitude, I'm sure you will have a lot of fun and it would be great to see an S13 finish the event
I wouldn't personally bother with the oil cooler as unless the engine is in near factory condition (unlikely!) you don't want to be giving it the sort of punishment that would require one anyway.
Fit one when you get back and then thrash it :D
What would be the point in getting a turbo car tehn not using the turbo, might as well get a 1.8litre almera lol
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