A question of car thieves

[Martin T]

Read in the papers a couple of days ago that a catholic joyrider was beaten to within an inch of his life with a a bat with nails in it, and then crucified on a wooden fence. He didn't die, but willl not talk. People rekon its protestants telling catholics not to go scouting on protestnat extates looking for cars to nick.

Anyway, to the point. Is this overkill? Does anyone deserve this for nicking a few cars? He needed a good kicking, no doubt, but this? Opinions?

[Midgers]

the only way i could forgive someone nicking my motor is if it was a person who was stranded and needed a ride home. Returning my car in Pristine condition with a full tank of petrol and cash for my worry.

They could of course have just come into the resteraunt and asked :rolleyes:

(this actually happened to my old man)

Other than that... i'd have probably done the same... well i'd like to think i would but i might just slap him about a bit.

[Mike Martin]

I apologise in advance for going all "grown-up" ;) here but

This is a part of the thing that we on the Mainland don't really get to hear about regarding the troubles in NI (I'm guessing it's where it took place). The para-militaries don't just plant bombs and shoot people and in fact that is the only part of their "operations" that are affected by the present ceasefire.

They also consider themselves to be the enforcers of their own particular view of how life should be lived there. Some examples of "crimes" requiring "punishments" would be.

Having a girl/boyfriend or even mates of the wrong religion.

Consorting with or being a member of the security services.

Stealing NOT sanctioned by the particular group. This really covers any "un-sanctioned" law breaking including drug dealing/running, gambling or protection rackets etc.

Fighting with a member of a particular group. Imagine you're in a pub one night and some pissed up fcukwit comes over and starts giving you grief. You slap him and walk away. The next day you could wind up with a flesh wound in the leg to show you you shouldn't mess.

Punishments themselves range from a "mild" beating to a bullet in the base of the skull. This is why the majority of people want to see an end to it all, it affects there everyday lives in a truly scary way.

Anyway enough of this old codswallop who wants to give me a Mongoose.

[tim rome]

i agree with mike on that one but if someone nicked my motor and i managed to get hold of them i guarantee they would never even think of nicking another car

[Pauly_Boy]

Na, i think that that punishment is fairly spot on. If that happened to everyone who committed a crime, all the criminals would be dead before long, saving us money on car insurance, police etc!

Anyway, imagen if it had been your car, ur not excatly going to be happy are ya!

[GrahamB]

I have worked bloody hard for what I have...

And yes I've had to make sacrifices too:(

I used to have no problems with people while I was out on my bike until I took my helmet off... then most people would say that I was just some rich kid whose parents should know better:mad: :mad: :mad:

What these sad gits don't know is what kind of hell you have been through to get where you are.

Sure there are a lot of people who get life handed to them on a plate but I certainly didn't.

This isn't a sob story as I'm fairly happy with where I am now (could do with an R34 if someone is feeling generous:D )

My point being that yes maybe I may have been bit shallow for thinking that material wealth really makes a difference... but then I stopped thinking that some time ago...

It just annoys me that someone can key/nick a car without knowing anything about it, or the person who owns it...

[A8 YOB]

My mates dad is disabled and used to own a nice specially adapted Granada scorpio cosworth thing, this attracted attention
of a well known twoc-er round here.

It got stolen and recovered twice , they told my mate who it was on both occasions.. the same lad and because he was only 15 the police didn't really bother punishing him. My mate had 'words' with this piece of crap, who responded by stealing the freshly re-locked/painted.. etc car again and fired it.

This caused my friend to flip, he rounded up some lads and went and kidnapped the twocer, asked him if he had nicked his old mans car again.. which he admitted to. So he was bundled into the boot and driven accross fields to a remote spot where he was tied up, they broke everyone of his fingers, doused him in petrol and went home leaving him there.

Suprisingly, the Police did not get involved. The family was re-homed to another village shortly afterwards, the lad is now serving time at HMP.

I thought this was a bit extreme but its nothing like the above.. a bat with nails!!!! :eek:

[Leon]

Yeah, it is too tough. By a long way.

Erm... reality check - IT'S A GODDAMN CAR!!! IMHO Its a bloody piece of metal, there is no excuse for damaging another person over it.
Then again, if your view is that the punishment (both the one that started this thread and the finger-breaking on) is fine, then to be honest, you may as well wall off your house and patrol the perimeter with razor tipped Belgian police dogs.

The protection/acquisition of property is the cause of so many evils and so much bloodshed... If someone nicked the Starion I would be mortified, gutted, but I wouldn't go smashing some up up over it...

The problem is the bacon at the end of the day, and, yes it is a cliche, but by responding in these ways, you are actually no better than the scum you are trying to educate...

Oh go on, flame me, I can hear tha gas hissing already!!!

[JB]

I think it's fairly spot on and ought to serve as encouragement to others not to try it. Until the courts start handing out meaningful punishments and the police get their act together and stop persecuting the motorist and concentrate on those committing real crime then there'll always be those who react violently when their family or posessions are threatened.

[Clong]

I think a lot of the retalitaion attacks are born out of frustration and the casual stance taken by the prosecution system towards car crime. How many of us have walked into a police staion to say their car has been broken into, given a crime report number and told to go merrily on our way without them even looking at the car? I am not having a go at the police here (unusually), by the way, it is the justice system which seems to out of order.

In the Ireland case, there is a lot more to it the nicking a car. The religious issues make it a hell of a lot worse, if it was a Catholic/Protestant (sp???) thing. One way of looking at it was that he won't be nicking anymore cars, another is that he may not have had anything to to with it.......

All in all, i can see alot more of this kind of thing happening in the mainland, especially since people are gettnig fed up with the relaxed and forgiving attitude towards criminals. How many times are people going to put up with being told that the person responsible for breaking into their house is only 13 years old and therefore not old enough to be prosecuted?

It may not be right, but what other options are there to the average joe public?

[turbo pete]

Its only a car?


I take a different stance. It isn't the car that is an issue.

It is the principle.

Someone wants to nick my car they are violating me. an eye for an eye. That's what I say. I would beat themsenseless and sleep easy

[Lewis]

My two penneth worth ( or should that be rant ) -

I've never had my car stolen or broken into, but I have had my house done, so I do know how it feels to be the victim. If I caught someone in my house or messing with my car I would probably give them a "bit" of a slap. But, if we had a half decent criminal justice system in this country, and I knew that the perp would get a proper punishment, then I probably wouldn't.

Most weeks in the local paper there's someone being done for driving without a licence. The usual punishment is to ban them from driving FFS!!

I read somewhere recently ( may have been on this BB ) about 2 guys who got attacked in the street. Because the attacker "only" used his fists and the 2 guys fought back and kicked him the CPS did them for assult ( kicking is apparently more force than punching ), the perp got off scott-free, the 2 victims were found guilty of assult. What a fecked up country we live in !!

Until the criminal justice system starts working for the victims of crime, and we have decent punishments, then we should be able to give the little feckers ( those cnuts who do all the twok, B&E etc ) a bit of a slap.

I worked out the other day that each year I pay about £16k in tax. This buys me is :
Hospitals in crisis, with staff levles and moral at an all-time low
A local secondary school which managed a 9% A* - C grade GCSE pass rate 2 years ago
A criminal justice system which only works for the criminals, or to raise more funding for the Government ( increases in car related fines ).

Ok, that's enough from me. I'll take a few deep breaths, think of a beautiful place ...

One last thing - if you really feel strongly about something and you want it changed write / email you MP. I find it's a great way to vent :D

[Nathan_200sx]

while it may be only a piece of metal it a piece of metal that has cost me alot of money. at present if anything happend to it i would be ****ed basicaly and well out of pocket. Theft from everyday people working hard to keep there head above water the ****s do need sorting out, they have absolutly no respect for the victim and dont care of the hardship and stress they put them through. I once knew a particulary low scumbag who used to burgle peoples property and usualy made a mess while at it, he always got away with it if he was caught and he got worse and worse. He did get beaten a few times but it never stopped him until he took to crapping in the houses he stole from and spreading that about as a sort of up yours gesture, one day I saw him in town with stiches from ear to ear and from forehead to eye and eye to chin. Turns out one of the local "familes" decided to let him know there displeasure of his actions and gave him a warning. As far as I know it worked, it was the only thing he understood.

[Martin T]

Personally I thought that was overkill. He just nicked cars, It wasn't like he was a rapist or anything. The problem with letting Joe public punish criminals, is the punishment is usually way over the top. The guy needed a beating, sure, but come on - crucified for stealing cars? Whats next? Getting kneecapped for dropping litter? Having your manhood cut off for going for a piss against somebodys wall?
It does really piss me off that some scum go around destroying peoples pride and joy that they have worked really hard for, and not care less, but the pounishment must be proportional for the crime.
How about this.
1st offence:- Kicking and a warning that if they get caught again, they will have their fingers broken
2nd - brocken fingers
3rd - Tattoo in large letters across their face saying "car thief" and some more broken fingers
4th - severe kicking, drag them into a field, douse them in petrol and leave them. Said criminal should then **** off for good.

Of course, if the police concentrated on real crime, instead of the easiest ones to solve, then most people wouldn't feel the need to take justice into their own hands.

[JB]

Originally posted by Martin T
The problem with letting Joe public punish criminals, is the punishment is usually way over the top

But nobody else other than the victims seem to care, so it's hardly surprising they take out their frustration on the perp.

And it's not ONLY A CAR. It's someones property, something they have paid for out of their hard earned money (or had to mortgage themselve to the hilt for) and it deserves to be respected.

Enough of this namby pamby attitude, lets get the criminals locked up. Personally I don't care if the Gaols are overcrowded, or crims get drugged up whilst in there. Serves them right for comitting the crime and banging them up in un pleasant conditions keeps them off the streets.

[dave_s13]

Has anyone ever actually caught someone in the act of nicking/vandalising their car or burgaling their house??

If so, what did you do?

[Mark]

I feel no sympathy whatsoever for what happens to the little b'stards who think its quite acceptable to just take what they want, when they want it. Being a victim of car crime i lost out in more than one way, I lost my car (which was my pride and joy), I lost my NCB (meaning couldnt afford to insure anything more than a 950 pop plus fiesta) and i got bugger all payout from the insurance, whilst light fingered jimmy, got my alloys and £2k sound system which he probably sold down the pub for a song to fund his drug habbit :mad:

And did the old bill give a f**k, like hell they did, but they was interested in taking my photo 6 months later in a unmarked van for going a little fast.............

The whole system is just F***ED up it just picks on the weak and if youve got the balls to do something criminal then there is a good chance you will get away with it. If your number plate is a bit hard to read then we will nail you to the floor, wanna steal a car, go ahead son, fill ya boots.....................................

[Clong]

Originally posted by dave_s13
Has anyone ever actually caught someone in the act of nicking/vandalising their car or burgaling their house??

If so, what did you do?

Yes, caught someone slashing my tyres, i broke his jaw, probablly a few finger's and told him i would gut him with his own knife if i ever saw him again.

[Mark]

Oh yer i was at the hospital as well when my car got nicked, how F***ING low car you get stealing a car from a hospital :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Mark

[dave_s13]

Originally posted by Clong


Yes, caught someone slashing my tyres, i broke his jaw, probablly a .....

Top man....well done

[Supraman1]

First offence: Chop finger off
Second offence: Chop hand off
Third offence: If they haven't learnt by now, they never will, chop their ****ing head off.

These people are utter scum. They're not just stealing property, they're stealing all the effort you've put into making money to pay for your property. Some people don't seem to put a lot of effort in and acquire a lot of property - 99% of us aren't so lucky however and have to scrimp and save in order to buy something nice. In my case I spend about 102% of my disposable income on my car and it's associated costs. If it got nicked there's no way I'd be able to afford another decent motor for two, probably three years, then there's the insurance premium aspect. If I caught someone attempting to steal or damage my car I'd rip his head off and **** down his ****ing neck.

[Chris_Lacey]

Originally posted by Starionman
razor tipped Belgian police dogs.
!

Now that would be a nasty breed of animal :)

[TAS]

Originally posted by turbo pete
Its only a car?


I take a different stance. It isn't the car that is an issue.

It is the principle.

Someone wants to nick my car they are violating me. an eye for an eye. That's what I say. I would beat themsenseless and sleep easy

I totally agree,

If anyone nicked my 'future' 200 then like a few members say after I have finished with them, I dont think they will want to nick another car afterwards.

However going to extremes is silly, however you have to watch yourself, because I know a mate who car was broken into, he caught them at the time, but the thief came at him with a knife.

What do you do in those situations:confused:

[GrahamB]

Originally posted by Tim Simpson


I totally agree,

If anyone nicked my 'future' 200 then like a few members say after I have finished with them, I dont think they will want to nick another car afterwards.

However going to extremes is silly, however you have to watch yourself, because I know a mate who car was broken into, he caught them at the time, but the thief came at him with a knife.

What do you do in those situations:confused:


Simple, if your a Black Belt, you kick his ass:D:D:D:D:D

[TAS]

Originally posted by GrahamB



Simple, if your a Black Belt, you kick his ass:D:D:D:D:D

LOL

If it was me, I wouldnt know what to do, because I have never been in that situation.
But I know I would have the last laugh;)

Some Words of Advice

If you catch the thief beat the fcuk out of him then leave, before the bill turn up.
Theres no point in waiting because the bill are more likely to do you.:mad:

Best bet you can do is carry baseball bats in your car.
If you get pulled over, and questioned about then, you can always say

"I was playing baseball officer, but lost the ball:D :D " - which has happened to me before.:D

[Nathan_200sx]

Originally posted by Tim Simpson


I know a mate who car was broken into, he caught them at the time, but the thief came at him with a knife.

What do you do in those situations:confused:

Id whack him with the 3 foot copper pipe with flattend and sharpend end I keep by the door, if he ran Id have to resort to either a stone from a black widow or a lump of lead up his arse from me toy collection. The problem is Id get locked up, I'd still get up in court for daring to take the pipe with me to investigate in the 1st place. I think you'd just have to let him stab you, thank him nicley give him the keys and call the police who may visit in the next few days.:mad: :mad:

[Nathan_200sx]

Originally posted by Tim Simpson



Best bet you can do is carry baseball bats in your car.
If you get pulled over, and questioned about then, you can always say

"I was playing baseball officer, but lost the ball:D :D " - which has happened to me before.:D

If you sellotape an address and fix a stamp to it it becomes a parcel ;) :D He hit him with his parcel, rather than he hit him with a bat sounds better in court. go the whole hog and gift wrap it ;) :D

[TAS]

Originally posted by Nathan_200sx


If you sellotape an address and fix a stamp to it it becomes a parcel ;) :D He hit him with his parcel, rather than he hit him with a bat sounds better in court. go the whole hog and gift wrap it ;) :D

ROTFLYFAO


:D :D :D :D :D

Sod it, bring in japanese method of stopping car thieves.

FLAME THROWERS:D :D :D :D :D

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/981...ar/240x180.html

[JB]

Originally posted by Nathan_200sx
I think you'd just have to let him stab you, thank him nicley give him the keys and call the police who may visit in the next few days and arrest you for blunting the theiving gits knife with your chest :mad: :mad:

[Chris_thedr]

I always thought that i'd actually destroy (like through the woodchipper) anyone who broke into or deliberately damaged my car, but I caught a guy breaking into it one night, chased him down the street and all of a sudden he slows down and someone gets out of a car next to him (I presume his co-offender). I turned and ran like a s**tscared mother*****. Yes, it is your property which you have worked hard for, and no it wasn't damaged beyond recognition, but there was no way I was ending up in hospital or jail (depending on how I fared) over a car.

PS they were obviously gone when the cops turned up two hours later.:(

[Maverick]

I'm obviously a bit mad so my opinions don't count. But I would force feed them a couple of gallons of petrol and then throw them ablaze into a car crusher. Then, if they still go and steal cars, then hats off to them. And I think I would be scared and emigrate!! :D

[Filmidget]

Don't carry a baseball bat...

4 or preferably 6 cell maglite (torch) would be much easier to defend in court...

Anything can be classed as an offensive weapon, if used as such. At least with the torch you have good reason to carry it. But make sure the batteries work, or your arguement wouldn't stand up :)

That's why one sits next to me in my motor.

A 10"... er... sharp implement and black widow have alledgedly ( :) ) also found there way there, but only when I have to sleep in a dodgy area as part of my job - not yet felt the need to take the crossbow :eek: :)

Cheers, Phil

[Pauly_Boy]

Originally posted by dave_s13
Has anyone ever actually caught someone in the act of nicking/vandalising their car or burgaling their house??

If so, what did you do?

That bloke from East anglia who killed then theif with a shot gun!

The bloke had burgled god knows how many houses, and then the police go and bang up the bloke who's house he's in!

Madness.

I think we should bring in the punishments they have in sudi arabia, apart from the drink thingy!

[tim rome]

i think we should bring in the punishments they have in sudi arabia, apart from the drink thingy! [/B][/QUOTE]

and the law which makes women cover up from head to toe

[Pauly_Boy]

and the law which makes women cover up from head to toe

Well, maybe we can change that to bikini's :D