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Nick200sx
25-05-2006, 10:53
Hi,

Been having problems finding a garage that will mot my s13 for emissions using non-cat figures. I've been to 2 garages now and both don't believe me when I tell them to mot it non-cat. Can anyone recommend a garage near me (Torquay) that knows s13's and how to mot them?

Cheers

Nick
playworker
25-05-2006, 15:27
It is normally a struggle if the garage doesn't know S13s - get them to look at the chart and see what the test figures should be, the only car on the chart will be the S14, obviously it's not an S14 (show them the VIN plate) then insist that they test it as a non-cat car. That's basically what I had to do anyhow :)
mammoth
25-05-2006, 16:45
newnham park garage in plymouth know the score :thumbs:
Nick200sx
25-05-2006, 19:28
Anywhere closer than plymouth, remember i have to get it there without tax, mot etc.

Nick
jimmybigguns
25-05-2006, 19:43
Anywhere closer than plymouth, remember i have to get it there without tax, mot etc.

Nick
You are allowed to drive a car to a pre arranged MOT appointment with no MOT, it's the only time the law will allow you. Providing you have an appointment and insurance there is not a problem. Everyone knows you cannot get Tax without an MOT.
GeeSexAah
25-05-2006, 19:54
It also states that the station is not over a reasonable distance away, ie over 40 miles past local garages and over is you would get done!
gadget_uk
25-05-2006, 20:54
Under the new computerised MOT if your car is a facelift S13 registered after the 1st August 1992 it must have a CAT fitted.
Thems are the rules.....but some might not stick to them.
This now applies to all cars that were originally fitted with cats from new....so peeps beware.


bye the way
Nice to see you about again Nick
MeLLoN Stu
25-05-2006, 20:55
fail to see how that works, especially on J plates.
gadget_uk
25-05-2006, 22:00
fail to see how that works, especially on J plates.

by the VIN numbers
jimmybigguns
25-05-2006, 22:45
It also states that the station is not over a reasonable distance away, ie over 40 miles past local garages and over is you would get done!
How far away is he planning on traveling then?
Pete C
25-05-2006, 23:33
Under the new computerised MOT if your car is a facelift S13 it must have a CAT fitted.
Thems are the rules.....but some might not stick to them.
This now applies to all cars that were originally fitted with cats from new....so peeps beware.

Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. The S13 is a special case because VOSA don't have emissions figures for a CAT equipped S13, therefore a CAT test cannot be performed.

There's a thread in S13 tech somewhere that explains it all. I wish people would get their facts straight before posting! :smash:
MeLLoN Stu
26-05-2006, 01:28
by the VIN numbers

even still, they relate to the year of manufacture which isn't the same as the year of registration don't they?

either ways as i understand it they were never supplied with any emissions data from nissan for the S13 which is why they were never tested as catalysed cars, so why's it different now? i'm fairly sure they're still without emissions data :)
Pete C
26-05-2006, 09:05
i'm fairly sure they're still without emissions data :)

:nod: And I'm sure they always will be, they'd need a new S13 to test, wouldn't they? :)
unipsycho
26-05-2006, 09:56
There's a thread in S13 tech somewhere that explains it all. I wish people would get their facts straight before posting! :smash:

This one mate http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=104032

:thumbs:
Nick200sx
26-05-2006, 19:30
I'm gonna try the first place I took the car to (afs in torquay) again and see if i can get em to check the chart properly to try and convince em to do it non-cat, unless there is somewhere in torquay that someones knows will do it properly.

Nick
RohanC
26-05-2006, 21:57
See the Public Notice in my sig :)

Have they actually failed you on a test? I phone the VOSA on 0845 6005977, and confirmed that it should be a Non cat test.

I then phone the garage, told them exactly what i had done. They checked with VOSA, called me 5 mins later to ask if i could come and pick up the certificate :)
STAVROS
26-05-2006, 22:38
hi got my s13 facelift booked for a mot at gbh motorsport in colchester and they told me i don't need a cat on mine:thumbs: . they have no list for the car to have a 'cat' test. gbh have mot'd plenty of s13's so don't panic:eek: . mot guys haven't changed the laws on mot it just all computerised now to stop fraud etc:whip: . so don't panic!!
gadget_uk
27-05-2006, 15:27
There's a thread in S13 tech somewhere that explains it all. I wish people would get their facts straight before posting! :smash:

There are no FACTS to get straight.
Rules (or the Law) are set by the interpretation of the enforcing body or individual. You should be aware that VOSA are an AGENCY that act and enforce on BEHALF of the Ministry of Transport. They do not make the rules.

Most MOT inspectors will fail a car that should have a CAT fitted for the following reason:-

Under the Governments "Motor Vehicles Construction and Use regulations" all cars registered on or after the 1st of August 1992 have to be fitted with a catalytic converter.

Now....you need to bear this in mind because you run the risk of a non endorseable FPN for offences under the construction and use regs by running a car, required to have a cat, without one. If you argue the toss at the roadside with an enforcing officer (whether they be from VOSA, the Police or The Ministry of Transport) you may risk having your car seized as evidence of the offence (mind you you'd have to be very unlucky or gobby to suffer this).

The MOT inspector will use the cars VIN number to work out when the car was actually manufactured.

You are quite correct that VOSA have no emission figures for an S13 fitted with a CAT but the above regulations apply to all cars registered on or after the 1st of AUGUST 1992.

My advice to all owners of S13's after that date used without CATS is to get a written statement signed by the VOSA employee who gave the advice.
This statement can be used in evidence in your defence should you ever be stopped and issued with an FPN under the regs as stated.
Kouki Mad
27-05-2006, 15:32
Under the new computerised MOT if your car is a facelift S13 it must have a CAT fitted.
Thems are the rules.....but some might not stick to them.
This now applies to all cars that were originally fitted with cats from new....so peeps beware.


bye the way
Nice to see you about again Nick

Mines a J plater facelift but didn't come with a cat :confused:
gadget_uk
27-05-2006, 15:40
Mines a J plater facelift but didn't come with a cat :confused:

If it was registered before the 1st of August 1992 it wouldn't have been fitted with a CAT.
If it was registered after that date someone has had it taken off at some point.
gadget_uk
27-05-2006, 15:46
The S13 is a special case because VOSA don't have emissions figures for a CAT equipped S13, therefore a CAT test cannot be performed

and if you wish to get all up close and personal........there is no such thing as a CAT test

I wish you young ones would think before you go on the attack
Pete C
27-05-2006, 16:01
gadget, I think we've strayed from the point here... the point is that an S13 no matter what it's age DOES NOT need a catalytic converter to pass an MOT.

Whether it is an offence to drive it on the road without one was not the question.

And I take offence to being described as a 'young one' in such a derogatory fashion.
Kouki Mad
27-05-2006, 16:06
If it was registered before the 1st of August 1992 it wouldn't have been fitted with a CAT.
If it was registered after that date someone has had it taken off at some point.

Registered in 1991 so I'm fine, don't need to worry about this thread anymore :D
gadget_uk
27-05-2006, 16:14
gadget, I think we've strayed from the point here... the point is that an S13 no matter what it's age DOES NOT need a catalytic converter to pass an MOT.

Whether it is an offence to drive it on the road without one was not the question.

And I take offence to being described as a 'young one' in such a derogatory fashion, I would remind you I am a moderator on this board.

Read my post properly.
Just because someone posts in here that an S13 doesn't need a CAT to pass an MOT, as you put it, doesn't make it official.
If you search this site enough you will find that MOT inspectors have in the past posted in here that they WILL not issue an MOT certificate to an S13 that SHOULD be fitted with a CAT.

I'm trying to give good advice to other S13 owners and if you want to ban me for that then so be it........but don't think it will end there.

You made a remark that was unnecessary
richardg
27-05-2006, 16:20
Just to add to this CAT, NON/CAT topic, last June when I took the wife's Vitara for MOT the tester input the vin. no. into the computer and it came up with a non/cat emissions test for it, it's an M reg 1994, when he said about it I said "So if the CAT fooks up I can take it off?", his reply "Yes".

This just adds more confusion to the matter now!!
gadget_uk
27-05-2006, 16:24
Just to add to this CAT, NON/CAT topic, last June when I took the wife's Vitara for MOT the tester input the vin. no. into the computer and it came up with a non/cat emissions test for it, it's an M reg 1994, when he said about it I said "So if the CAT fooks up I can take it off?", his reply "Yes".

This just adds more confusion to the matter now!!

Yes Richard it is a very confusing area.

On the one hand ......one regulation states that all cars registered after the 1st August 1992 must be fitted with a Catalytic converter.
On the other hand.....VOSA either have ommited or incorrect information on their databases.
SteveCarter200
27-05-2006, 16:31
Read my post properly.
Just because someone posts in here that an S13 doesn't need a CAT to pass an MOT, as you put it, doesn't make it official. True but none the less S13s do not have to meet cat-euqipped emission levels.

Please read question and answer #4 on this website please. http://www.motester.co.uk/qanda.html


If you search this site enough you will find that MOT inspectors have in the past posted in here that they WILL not issue an MOT certificate to an S13 that SHOULD be fitted with a CAT. Search some more and you'll find MOT testers that have said they WILL pass an S13 without a cat.


I'm trying to give good advice to other S13 owners and if you want to ban me for that then so be it........but don't think it will end there. What are you going to do? Sue the club for wrongful dismissal or hunt Pete down and beat him up?:rolleyes:


You made a remark that was unnecessary So did you. Wind your neck in.
SteveCarter200
27-05-2006, 16:58
By the way, the August '92 thing is a manufacturer regulation NOT an MOT regulation.
Chris
27-05-2006, 17:05
The simple fact is that i in effect work for vosa

There are no s13's registered in this country prior to august 01st 1995 that require a basic emissions test or the more advanced vehicle specific emissions test
Chris
27-05-2006, 17:08
By the way, the August '92 thing is a manufacturer regulation NOT an MOT regulation.which also has loopholes as the manufacturers were allowed to shift old stock of cars which would not meet regulations
mammoth
27-05-2006, 17:32
mot passed this morning, L reg not cat :thumbs:
Garysx
27-05-2006, 18:25
:rolleyes: cool mate :rolleyes:
gadget_uk
27-05-2006, 20:05
What are you going to do? Sue the club for wrongful dismissal or hunt Pete down and beat him up?:rolleyes:

So did you. Wind your neck in.


I tust you are going to tell, or have told, Pete to wind his neck in seeing as he cast the first stone......or do i have to face more of your Gestapo type questions?
cossykiller
27-05-2006, 20:42
which also has loopholes as the manufacturers were allowed to shift old stock of cars which would not meet regulations


yep there is loads of loop holes in the law.
i remember reading about a lot of 6 year old brand new mestros in india that were never registered and they came back here after 1994 and were allowed on the roads, how do they get moted when they are 3 years old?


LOOP HOLES:nod:

i thought that if you can get the immissions down to the mot level then it passes very hard without a cat but not impossible??
Chris
27-05-2006, 20:54
i thought that if you can get the immissions down to the mot level then it passes very hard without a cat but not impossible??:nod:
Jeff
27-05-2006, 21:38
Nick, hopefully there's enough here for you to find someone to apply the correct rules when testing your S13. If not, please let me know and I'll reopen the thread :)

And Gadget, other than the height, Steve bears very little resemblance to a member of the gestapo, get a grip ;)