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Theres a pair of black metal brackets included in the kit. These bolt to the strut bottom and the brake hose attaches to the bracket.
Instructions are included with the kits and the instructions tell you what to do with the brackets and what to so with the brake lines
Bren
Hi Bren...
Couple of things I noticed on going to fit these. andy doesnt have them on at the mo as he needs spacers to clear his silly evo wheels.
I went to fit the front coilovers and noticed that two of the allen key adjustable bolts were not in the camber top plate and rolling around the box. Also both units had loose bolts - may be worth having a look at or advising people to check I think incase anyone doesn't.
Unfortunately a large problem with these I think is the front coilovers have no lower brackets to hold the brake lines and ABS lines out of the way, there is literally nothing. The only way anything could be hold would be with the use of electrical tape. I fitted Mellon's R32 coilovers and we didn't have this problem.
Gonna post up pics later but need to know what your feeback on this is as I m concerned on there being an MOT fail for the lines being able to roam free. Not to mention the danger element. I can't see electrical tape lasting all that long in plenty of wet wether etc either.
Pics to come later this eve.
Mat
cable ties :nod: :wack:
to what fellah?
I have to cable tie mine outta the way on the cuscos to the OEM type brackets they come with - wait for the pics you will see what i mean..theres nothing there to strap them to in my eyes, andy's brake line is also semi-hard pipe and semi-goodridge line, I owuld have to bend the hard pipe a helluva lot to get it near the coilover and I'm not doing that:no:
sorry matt I was taking the piss :o
sorry matt I was taking the piss :o
LOL no thats kewl, I wasnt having a go:p
Just genuinely baffled as to how to sort it:D will get the pics up later:thumbs:
with braided hoses if you twist them to form a bend before attatching them to hard pipe on the car they will keep that bend (away from the wheel), how that would fair at MOT time I don't know :( maybe ask Chris
My old coilovers didnt have them so it was a coilover round the strut with a cable tie looped around that to hold the hose too...
It got an mot with that setup but then thats not a guarantee ;)
sunnybono
14-05-2006, 19:26
only an mot failure if its touching part of the suspension i believe.
I'll check with Chris on the MOT front:)
pics as promised
Sparky-tape-tastic :wack: Will it take the heat from the brakes? The last thing you want is it to come loose on the track (not that he'd take it on track like that...) :eek:
Hey Tom....
yeah I had no giant zip ties and it was just a test fitment as posted above^^ andy needs some whack off spacers to clear the coilovers with his tyres:nod:
VIDAL BABBOON
14-05-2006, 22:38
Custom make a bracket :nod:
Inverted u shaped, one side can then be bolted to the upper bolt on the bottom of the damper the other can be bolted to the bake hose bracket.
It's going to be the best option from those pictures :nod:
could you not drill the pipe bracket and bolt it to the leg as shown.
Im not sure how that bracket would fit to the coilover with the lower strut bolts in the way:confused: Thanks for the suggestions guys, i would really like to hear waht Bren has to say about it because I just expected coilovers to come with these most basic of things. Not everyone wants to make things up to get them to fit which I know is usually the case with andyf, he hates working on cars:wack:
I'm baffled as to why even a very basic bracket was never spot welded into place on these:confused:
VIDAL BABBOON
14-05-2006, 23:08
Im not sure how that bracket would fit to the coilover with the lower strut bolts in the way:confused:
You would use the upper bolt of the lower strut to fix the bracket to the coilover ;)
Or the bolt at the top in the picture you posted :)
Make up a bracket to be bolted to the top bolt. It can stick out as much as you want. Perhaps asking Bren if he is able to make up some plates to go with these k-sports if peeps require them is a good idea *sorry Bren * :whip:
Matt
sunnybono
15-05-2006, 08:51
you cant cable tie the hose to the coilover. that WILL be a MOT failure.
Are they the K-sport coilovers with inverted dampers???
Cheers.
sonofabeesting
15-05-2006, 09:30
Interested in this as I am looking at getting these coilovers, I also have goodridge hoses and dont think that cable tieing to the suspension will pass an MOT???
Theres a pair of black metal brackets included in the kit. These bolt to the strut bottom and the brake hose attaches to the bracket.
The strut bottoms are alloy, you cant spot weld to alloy :no:
Lets see what Bren posts up guys. Like his testing with the brakes, I'm offering feedback on the coilovers that should be passed onto K-sport. Whilst I can knock up a couple of brackets yes possibly in my spare time:
1) I don't really want to
2) I don't feel I should have to, it would be nice just to buy the product and fit it without the added stress of sorting something else out at the same time
3) I can't anodise the new bracket orange:wack:
I want to see what Bren's and K-sport's response is to this:)
Theres a pair of black metal brackets included in the kit. These bolt to the strut bottom and the brake hose attaches to the bracket.
The strut bottoms are alloy, you cant spot weld to alloy :no:
didn't know about the spot welding but you get the point I was making. These black brackets, are they included in the plastic bag that has the damper adjusters and c-spanners? Do you hyave a photo?
Didn't these get test fitted to an apex s14 or was it just the s13 on delboy's? did the s13 have the same situation?
Are they the K-sport coilovers with inverted dampers???
Cheers.
Matt_j inverted or not???
Matt_j inverted or not???
I believe so but I don't know which ones andy ordered exactly, they arent the 3d pillowball top mounts either but still camber adjustable in the regualr fashion:)
Rohan - That's exactly the point I'm making. I just happened to be fitting andy's coilovers doing him a favour (another one:rolleyes:). If he had taken them anywhere else and paid someone to fit them - they would have made the same observations and possibly might not have agreed to fit them - or warned that they would need attention.
The brackets are included in the bag. I dont have any photos. Theyre just two straight black brackets, you cant get them mixed up with anything else.
Just for those who missed it, theres a pair of black metal brackets included in the kit. These bolt to the strut bottom and the brake hose attaches to the bracket.
The brackets are included in the bag. I dont have any photos. Theyre just two straight black brackets, you cant get them mixed up with anything else.
Just for those who missed it, theres a pair of black metal brackets included in the kit. These bolt to the strut bottom and the brake hose attaches to the bracket.
I know the brackets you are referring to - they looked like damping adjustable spanners. I will go back to andy's house tonight and dig out the coilovers and have a look and get some more pics then.
Just for those who missed it, theres a pair of black metal brackets included in the kit. These bolt to the strut bottom and the brake hose attaches to the bracket.
Are they the things that look like :
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=32646&stc=1&d=1147684026
I wondered what they were for :wack:
On the MX, you have brackets that bolt to the strut that hold the ABS wires - I cable tied the bracket to the coilover in the end... We will see if it passes MOT on wednesday :|
On my old SX, with KYB shocks, the brake hoses were cable tied to the struts - one MOT tester said it's passed, but that needs fixing, all of the others didn't see it as a problem...
Did you read the instructions Matt? They tell you all about the brake line brackets.
Yeah those are the ones I'm thinking of. They are also completely straight and I'm thinking will have to be bent round the coilover to fit. Well it's something rather than nothing i guess. Will have a look at it tonight.
Did you read the instructions Matt? They tell you all about the brake line brackets.
No i didn't, at the time I was sorting out a chunk of stuff on andy's car in the pissing rain and went to check the coilover fitting. To be honest, the bolts missing from the camber plate was enough to warrant a thread so I thought I would ask about this at the same time. I know not many people have bought kits yet and those considering would have liked to have known as well.
As the instructions explain, the brackets are easily shaped to suit the vehicle.
The loose nuts are a different matter, Ill sort that with a note included in all kits sent out from now on.
And i will get back to you on the brackets - They definitely will require bending around the coilover to fit.
They will defo need bending but its been done by hundreds of 200 owners in the past and has never been raised as a problem until now :no:
yep. same as the g-force coilovers. :nod:
they have the same brakets as those and are very easy to bend into shape just with pliers, although i did find the slot for the brake hose to go into was a little small - just needed a quick file to enlarge it a bit. :)
They will defo need bending but its been done by hundreds of 200 owners in the past and has never been raised as a problem until now :no:
Did i give you the impression this was all a problem?:confused: Is this the feedback forum for apex or not?
Is there a problem with me asking these questions?
Why does a bracket need bending to fit? Is it to suit the application to an S14, or is it a general thing for coilovers?
The brackets are generic. Same as AP who supply generic brake pipes for their brake kits that have to be shaped to suit.
You have edited my first post Bren:confused: and you haven't answered my last questions either.:confused:
Yeah I edited y6our first post because I dotn want people thinking the brake bracket is an issue when its not. If they read the first post they now dont have to trawl through all further posts to find my response. Its there in front of them.
You do indeed come across as the bracket being a problem.
I see the reason for editing the post - just thought you would have let me know instead of changing it.
Granted yes, I thought the lack of bracket was a problem hence the post but as you have pointed me in the direction of these 'bendable' arms I will try that and "feedback" to you. I'm sorry if the "hundreds" of other 200 owners never raised this with you - I thought it was perfectly valid - as was letting you know about the loose bolts on the coilovers - something I realise you have come to have problems with before.
Must admit to feeling like this has inconvenienced you somehow Bren and you would have preferred if I hadn't said anything. That is how you come accross. But that aside, thanks for the advice. I will just leave it there on this matter , I don't think any photos on here would be of any need.
Delete/edit this thread as you see fit.
I havent edited anything you said in your first post, just added my answer. I cant see any problem with that?
I just feel like youve jumped in with both feet having a go at the kit when in fact the parts and the information re the parts was all there for you had you read the instructions. Did your momma never tell you the first thing you should do is read the instructions ;)
The info on the loose bolts is appriciated though, we will sort that.
I havent edited anything you said in your first post, just added my answer. I cant see any problem with that?
Not to be pedantic and off-track, but amending his post to include comments from yourself is still editing it :p
Shame about needing the spacers though - neither of us twigged in time that even though the evo wheels fit under standard suspension, it could cause a problem with replacements. Matt pointed out the change in taper which caused the problem.
It's your section - you can run it how you like i guess....
That's right, I didn't read the instructions, Im sure many haven't as jonboy has posted above - but I didn't jump in with both feet - if you re-read it back I was waiting for your advice on the situation and if it was a problem you could refer it back to K-sport - much like you are doing with the brakes. I thought the post would be helpful as well as help sorting something when coming to fit the whole lot on andy's.
I fitted stu's and wrote an entire guide out for you in terms of feedback on fitment of those coilovers - the only thing i was unhappy with was the front top mounts being too large.
I asked on andy's coilovers in YOUR forum (the feedback forum) and didn't openly post and slate them in 200sx related or anything. So i think your interpretation here has been completely incorrect and you have ended up giving me the impression that it's better to keep quiet and accept things than actually post and ask about it. I know that I'm not the first to feel this way either and I had really hoped that you wouldn't justify this growing impression to me.
I posted to help sort andy out and let you know of my findings - end of. There was no "jumping in with both feet having a go":no:
None of my posts have been a dig in anyway and nor is this one. I don't want an arguement on anything but I'm quite happy to discuss this with you if needs be as I don't believe in commenst without justification
Matt
I didnt say I didnt edit his post, I said I hadnt edited anything he said.
You cant seriously think that its wrong to include the answer to the question within the post that asked the question when to not do so could potentially damage the image of the product in the eyes of those who just read the first part of the thread and move on when in fact the parts being questioned along with instructions to their use were included in the kit in the first instance.
No, but it looks odd :smash: :)
Now now girls :wack: put your handbags away.
Problems all sorted now, seems to me as Matt was giving feedback, even if his major gripe was something that could have been sorted by reading the instructions or realising what the brackets were for.
Also seems fair Bren adding the solution to the first post to save other people who at a later date have the same issue wading through the entire thread, even you missed the answer the first time Bren posted it Matt.
So if you both step back and breathe you will notice everything smells of roses now :D
Would read a bit better if you put the answer after the quirey ;)
It's your section - you can run it how you like i guess....
:confused: That's what I replied to you Bren. How are you reading this? I have said you can run it how you like! Where have I said I think it's "wrong" to edit the post? Absolutely nowhere!
in fact look at this from the earlier post:
I see the reason for editing the post - just thought you would have let me know instead of changing it.
Now you tell me Bren between these two posts that I am saying it is "wrong" for you to edit? I have gone along with what you said. This just now feels like you are accusing me of doing MORE things that I haven't actually done. I'm stunned.:rolleyes:
I'm perfectly fine Kev, no stress here:) and no handbags, if i don't tell Bren what I'm meaning he is interpretting me to be arsey when infact I'm providing feedback.
It's your section - you can run it how you like i guess....
That's right, I didn't read the instructions, Im sure many haven't as jonboy has posted above - but I didn't jump in with both feet - if you re-read it back I was waiting for your advice on the situation and if it was a problem you could refer it back to K-sport - much like you are doing with the brakes. I thought the post would be helpful as well as help sorting something when coming to fit the whole lot on andy's.
I fitted stu's and wrote an entire guide out for you in terms of feedback on fitment of those coilovers - the only thing i was unhappy with was the front top mounts being too large.
I asked on andy's coilovers in YOUR forum (the feedback forum) and didn't openly post and slate them in 200sx related or anything. So i think your interpretation here has been completely incorrect and you have ended up giving me the impression that it's better to keep quiet and accept things than actually post and ask about it. I know that I'm not the first to feel this way either and I had really hoped that you wouldn't justify this growing impression to me.
I posted to help sort andy out and let you know of my findings - end of. There was no "jumping in with both feet having a go":no:
None of my posts have been a dig in anyway and nor is this one. I don't want an arguement on anything but I'm quite happy to discuss this with you if needs be as I don't believe in commenst without justification
Matt
Ok, I apologise, I took your tone the wrong way. My mistake.
I dont recall ever having turned away from my responsibilities as a trader in rectifying any issues that arise with any of our products nor in being backwards in comeing forward in resolving issues. I know that I have never come accross another company who goes anywhere near as far as Apex in sorting out problem nor in listening and acting on the information gleaned from our customers feedback.
But you disagree?
Let it drop guys, I can see both your points so let it go before it gets silly.
:confused: That's what I replied to you Bren. How are you reading this? I have said you can run it how you like! Where have I said I think it's "wrong" to edit the post? Absolutely nowhere!
in fact look at this from the earlier post:
Now you tell me Bren between these two posts that I am saying it is "wrong" for you to edit? I have gone along with what you said. This just now feels like you are accusing me of doing MORE things that I haven't actually done. I'm stunned.:rolleyes:
Try taking note of what the post said and the wording used and then put it into the proper context. Youll find that if you take note of the wording then it doesnt make sense if directed to yourself but makes perfect sense when directed at the post directly above yours.
I think it's very difficult to judge "tone" on the internet. One mans direct questions or answers can be construed to be another mans "being arsey for the sake of it. It's not easy trying to work it out all the time especially with the amount of people you have to deal with daily. Apology accepted:)
As a trader yes, apex is very admirable. Returns and delivery service is very good. There are a shed load of plus points, I can't even begin to acknowledge how busy it must be there as well, particularly on a day you have two staff off. I'm saying I'm quite happy to speak to you over the phone about my thoughts in a clear manner on what I have observed. Call it customer feedback, constructive criticism or whatever. The point is not to slag you off as the pluses still outweigh the negatives IMO. However if you are looking for feedback that could help a little bit then I'm quite happy to offer that. I don't think there is any gain in it for me, nor was there is writing the 32 coilover install but I did it because I have known apex from when it was taking off and I think it's important you maintain your standards. That is all.
Just to re-iterate, there is NO gain for me at all. I just don't tend to be someone who keeps their thoughts to themselves if I think there's issues to be raised:)
Try taking note of what the post said and the wording used and then put it into the proper context. Youll find that if you take note of the wording then it doesnt make sense if directed to yourself but makes perfect sense when directed at the post directly above yours.
I have taken note, I have looked at it - I see no problem with it. I asked, you told me, I left it blah blah blah. I have already said it's your call what you do in this forum Bren, at least I know now that's all. That's all I'm going to say on that matter.
I consider myself honest enough not to bend truths or openly lie on a forum about what i think.
I dont know if you understand what I am getting at, the post was in answer to Andys post, nothing to do with you. :no:
I dont know if you understand what I am getting at, the post was in answer to Andys post, nothing to do with you. :no:
Right, got that now:) Another misunderstanding:smash: These BB's are great aren't they:rolleyes: sorry for the confusion.
That's right, I didn't read the instructions, Im sure many haven't as jonboy has posted above - but I didn't jump in with both feet - if you re-read it
To be fair, my mx5 coilovers didn't come with any specific instructions, it's, err, up to me to write them... :wack:
They did come with an extremely comical chinglish book though, full of comedy phrases ;)
when will the coilover fitting be completed? interested in a set of these and looking forward to seeing the ride height and handling.
sirtest2004
15-05-2006, 16:11
same here, am hoping to order some today but wanna see the results :D
Going to be friday when they are fitted I think guys.
sirtest2004
15-05-2006, 16:44
will i need spacers too do u reckon? i have 17 x 8 advans on the front and 17 x 9 on the back?!?!
I couldn't say for sure, andy has 7.5in wheels all round and 225 tyres all round and his tyres were catching at the front. I'm betting on a 5mm spacer sorting them:)
MeLLoN Stu
15-05-2006, 16:55
I couldn't say for sure, andy has 7.5in wheels all round and 225 tyres all round and his tyres were catching at the front. I'm betting on a 5mm spacer sorting them:)
beat him until he buys some proper wheels :nod: :D
beat him until he buys some proper wheels :nod: :D
I tried:cry: after all, I do have a set of R33 GTR wheels in my back yard;)
MeLLoN Stu
15-05-2006, 17:03
lol :D they'd suit his car remarkably well too imo :nod: do it andy, doooooo iiiiiiiit :nod:
hope you didn't scratch his coilovers during fitting btw :mad:;)
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