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Paul_S13
02-10-2002, 12:23
I'm about to thow my PC out of the window unless I can get this sorted...
I have just upgraded from an Athlon 700mhz to a Athlon XP 2000+, my problem is that when I try to run the chip at the proper speed of 1.6ghz it throws a wobbler :confused: but it works fine at 1.2ghz.
I've tried updating the bios and looking for patches for Win98 but nothing has worked, I keep getting window protection errors on startup. :mad:
Cheers in advance :)
Blue screen of death sir?:mad: :mad:
I'll help you out if you like mate, what motherboard you got?
You will prob need to to either, get a bios update, bin motherboard and get another one or run it at 1.2 Ghz.
I can pop around and take a look if you like.:D
Paul_S13
02-10-2002, 12:43
Screeeeeech,
Its a brand new baord, chip and DDR ram, the board is an Elite K7S5A, i'm going to change the bios when I finish work, also its not the blue screen, it doesn't get that far!
I used to make these fooking things for a living so woking on them ain't a prob.....usually :D
I'm going to check the CPU temps too.
Sod ya' then!;)
Yeah, could be getting too hot.
Ok some thinking out loud..er....
what DDR RAM is it?.....they have not given you 2700 RAM on a board only rated for 2100 or 'sumink?
Why are you using W98?....tis' pooooh. Do you want 2000 or XP instead?..let me know if you do.;)
I think you should just hurry up and fix it then get around my house and supply and fit some forged pistons to my car for me.....and steel crank/rods and ,.......etc...etc.:D :D :D
AshT_200
02-10-2002, 13:13
It is possible that you have a faulty chip/motherboard/ram ?
I'd take em back to where you bought them and ask for a replacement.
AlanHill
02-10-2002, 13:27
Paul
Check out the following... It may help !!!
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/694/
Cheers
Alan
shadow21
02-10-2002, 13:49
Paul,
I saw that from Alan's link:
"RAM. I had PC100 whereas board was PC133 so it ran at 1.05Ghz instead of 1.4ghz. Also generic. Get decent brand. Now have Crucial 256Mb DDR as it loves it."
Looks like your prob, doesn't it?
Hope it helps
Cheers
Fabien
dave_s13
02-10-2002, 14:17
Deffinately bin Win98 and get XP, just doing that may sort your problem.
dave_s13
02-10-2002, 14:19
and make sure you install any drivers/software that came with the motherboard.
Martin T
02-10-2002, 16:11
Win98 has "timing" issues with processors approaching 2Ghz and beyond. Bin it and get either 2000 or XP. Also, check your voltage settings, you may find that the voltage is too low - the higher the speed, the more volts the processor needs to prevent things like reflections and the like. I think the XP2000+ runs at 1.65 core volts, but I may be wrong. The correct settings should be in your motherboard manual. Make sure you have used thermal paste on the coupling between the heatsink and the cpu, or it can still overheat. Good luck!
Paul_S13
02-10-2002, 17:08
Cheers for the help lads :D
I'm running 98 because my NTL internet software didn't work with XP when I installed it, I never again checked to see if they had finally sorted an XP version out. :)
Pauly_Boy
02-10-2002, 19:52
I've had this problem pleaty of times!
One time it was my gfx card, and how it wasn't compatable with windows... other time it was CPU and FSB multipler settings screwing things around.
You tried removing all your cards and starting it that way, it could be a card problem and how sometimes they don't work in particular slots!
Chris_Lacey
02-10-2002, 20:40
Most likely reason is the CPU, the way that CPU's get produced (partially) is that they are tested at certain clock multipliers to make sure that they can run reliably at that speed, if it passes the check at the highest level that's what the chip is rated on, and so on until it reaches a level where it works fine, or passes below minimum spec in which case they bin them. A mate of mine works for intel you see :)
Try upping the clock speed slowly Paul.
Paul_S13
02-10-2002, 21:29
I only have 2 clock speed available 1.2ghz or 1.6ghz, even with XP it don't want to work at 1.6ghz.
It sounds like it is getting to hot. I've got a K7S5A as well but im only running a Duron 1200 ATM. Try and see what temp's the BIOS says the chip is at just aster it fails.
Have you upgreaded your heat sink / fan? Those faster Atherlons before they changed to the new core chuck out a hell of a lot of heat.
Also what is your PSU rated at? It may not be able to gie enough volts or not give then cleanly enough for the CPU at that speed.
Also hava ganda at this site...
http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=37
Shed loads o info about the K7S5A
Paul_S13
02-10-2002, 22:05
Right I've got a 300w power supply and the heatsink is an AMD approved cooler and the chip is running at 50 degrees C.
WoooWooo
Bit Hot
Need to find a way of coolong it better. Is you cooler AMD approved for the 2000+ chip?
Also what is you case/MB temp?
Pauly_Boy
02-10-2002, 23:45
50, is that all! Thats fine for a Athlon, mines probably at around 60! Also the fan on my motherboard has gone and i've turned the case fans off, so its a fairly warm PC!
Ah, but looking at ur post, is the 50 degrees at 1.2 ghz or 1.6, and after how long?
If you have 2 RAM chips, try taking one out, and seeing weather they are playing up, could be a case that they can't handle the speed
Errrr OK I got confused betten case/mb and CPU temp :rolleyes:
mine seams to run at 47-53 and it'll chuck out less heath than yours derrr
Paul,
You say you updated your bios, you did update to one that supports the XP2000 didnt you???? Also, how are you changing the speed?? just using the drop down menu that gives you two options, or setting it with multiplier X FSB. I wouldnt think you would be using the latter unless the CPU has been unlocked. VERY VERY unlikely!!!
Also, did you upgrade your motherboard (sounds like it). I assume that you have re-installed Windows98??? if not, then thats the problem. Re-install again and see how it goes.
Dave
AshT_200
03-10-2002, 11:16
If you bought the MBoard with Processor, it suggest the board supports the processor otherwise, you would be within you rights to return to the place of purchase with a large cricket bat.
Intel actually pre rate the processors before they are etched on the wafer. Generally, a wafer produces 8 processors, all of which about 3 of them make it into packaging. The processors that don't, get binned. I have a Mate that works at Intel too ;):p
Dunno how AMD do it, I can ask. ;)
Know someone who has a Mate at AMD ;)
dave_s13
03-10-2002, 11:46
His MB deffo supports the processor. What I would do is:-
-Make sure your cooler is rated high enough for the CPU
-Remove all PCI cards (expet graphics)
-If you've got 2 sticks of RAM only put 1 of em in.
-Disconnect any additional Hard/CD drives (just have 1 HDD and 1 CD Rom attached)
-If there are jumpers on the board make sure they're set to default
-Boot it and set the Bios to factory/default set up (change first boot device to CD ROM though)
-Boot with WinXP CD format the drive (not using the quick option) and install XP.
If it now works plug your additional stuff in 1 at a time (modems sound cards etc), obviously you can identify any iffy hardware by deduction.
(I once had a PC just go dead on me, I did this and it turned out to be a dodgy network card that was buggering it up)
If that don't fix it try and get hold of another processor to try out on it, if its still buggered then your MB could be dodgy if it doesn't then it could be your CPU.
If its still fecked then your bloomin unlucky mate.
AshT_200
03-10-2002, 11:51
daves13 has a point.
Remove all expansion cards except grafix card.
Some expansion cards can become unstable, when the PC Speed is ramped up.
Early Soundblaster cards have been found to do this.
Cooler should be rated to the CPU if he bought it the same time, otherwise the Cricket bat statement is applicable here to. :D
Pauly_Boy
03-10-2002, 17:04
Originally posted by AshT_200
daves13 has a point.
Remove all expansion cards except grafix card.
I said that first thing, does no-one listen :(
Pauly_Boy
03-10-2002, 17:33
Ok, just thought of this whilst sitting on the dunny....
I'm assuming that when u change the speeds on the CPU, all ur doing is raising the speed of the FSB... so heres the speeds
Multiplier * FSB = CPU speed
12 * 100 = 1.2Ghz
12 * 133 = 1.6Ghz
The Multiplier is usually locked on the chip, so to overclock it has to be done by rasing the FSB. I suspect that one of you components can't hack the 133Mhz FSB. So I'm guessing the RAM you got isn't upto scratch. If it was heat, it would affect it after a few minutes of being on (much like it would take a while for a car engine to overheat), not instantly, like is the case from what you've described!
What speed RAM did you buy?
AshT_200
03-10-2002, 17:48
Sorry Pauly_Boy, you did mention it first.
And the other thing is Paul (PaulS13 - this is getting confusing :mad:) said the cooler was AMD approved. So that can be disregarded.
Do some of the Chips on the MBoard have fans cooling them, are they working?
How far does the boot up process get?
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Ok got some info, the XP2000 runs at 1.67 GHz and runs on a 133Mhz - However the Athlon System Bus runs twice the clock freq of the FSB.
Core Voltage is 1.6 V
Maximum Die temp is 85' C
Paul_S13
03-10-2002, 22:13
Way hey I fixed it, t'was the power supply, I got another and it now runs like a good 'un :D :D :D
YAY I was right.... except for me talking kak about CPU temps :rolleyes:
Still Ill have ta upgrade me K7S5A to a decent proceseor some time. Ya notice much of a diffrence Paul?
Paul_S13
03-10-2002, 22:36
It fooking flies! and i can't wait for my broadband connection at the end of the month. :D
You sod.
I got BB at work but I cant get it home. Not Cable and BT wont even bother looking at pre-subcriptions for ADSL as they say the exchange is to expencive to convert! :mad: :mad: :mad: Gits.
Still gald ya sorted your PC :)
Pauly_Boy
03-10-2002, 23:58
How about satilalite??
True but it's expencive for anything decent i.e. two way. + im renting so putting up diskes is a bit of a no-no :(
To mack matters worce we pic up Rasio Virgin (eerrg :eek: ) on our phoine line so I cant get much better conection that 44k :(
Pauly_Boy
04-10-2002, 00:29
Thats all i ever had on 56k!
Doesn't actually matter as much as people belive, most of it is down to your ISP, and then your modem. How about ISDN or wireless or even running a huge cable to a companies network switch, and borrowing some bandwidth :D
Originally posted by Pauly_Boy
How about satilalite??
a complete waste of time and money.
AshT_200
04-10-2002, 09:15
Originally posted by andyf
a complete waste of time and money.
Not as expensive as you think.
We are in the process of commissioning a new manufacturing plant at Preston Brook in Runcorn.
BT Call centre is next door, but BT could not offer ADSL to thae site, so a Broadband Satellite link was installed. Only a little more expensive than ADSL Business rates.
Pauly_Boy
04-10-2002, 19:02
so about £30 to £70 a month depending on speed?
Arn't the installation costs sky high tho?
Originally posted by AshT_200
Not as expensive as you think.
Think?
I've used two satellite providers in the past. I stand by my previous statement 100%
AshT_200
06-10-2002, 10:14
Originally posted by andyf
Think?
I've used two satellite providers in the past. I stand by my previous statement 100%
And I stand by what I say. I had Satellite Broad Band installed 3 mths ago and it wasn't that expensive.
£1320 pa BT Openworld Satellite Broadband. Compare that with ADSL Business 1000 @119 per month. :p
Pauly_Boy
06-10-2002, 18:52
Blimy!!
Compare that to £22.50 for my adsl!
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