View Full Version : What's the penalty for not having number plates?
Can you get any points or just a fine?
just a fine but the dvla can take away your number plate so you'll end up with a 'q' plate
How does that work, then?:confused:
What about the old 'sorry officer, it must have got nicked' line?
I had mine stolen about 4 years ago and didn't know!
Supraman1
30-09-2002, 14:09
£30 fine, no points, no further penalties or action can be taken. As confirmed to me by two serving traffic cops on the Pistonheads BBS. The whole "Massive fine, remove your number plate, stick you in prison" thing only applies if you have a badly spaced or wrong font number plate, not if you don't have one at all.
Filmidget
30-09-2002, 14:43
Ahhh, another Pistonheader...
Thought there was only Me, Shadowninja, and one other...
Cheers, Phil
So let me get this right...
I can remove my front number plate to give the car smoother looks and the police can only fine me 30 quid and thats it ?
How many people here run around without a front number plate ?
Simon
Fattyluvshotdogs has a tiny one;)
Saw two lots of SPECS speed cameras at the weekend, the ones that time you over a distance? Both lots on roadworks, so fair enough I'd say, to protect the road builders. But in general if you wanted to avoid the SPECS cameras you'd only be risking a £30 fine for having NO number plate at the front, whereas if you got caught you'd be risking at least a £45 fine for speeding right?
As far as I can see it's a no-brainer, like insurance vs. penalties for no insurance ....( though stupidly I am insured and have paid nearly £5000 for insurance over the last 5 years)
You could also have a custom numberplate e.g. "200SX" and if caught, just deny it's a numberplate at all?
Oooooh this is probably ranked higher than mass murder, being a motoring offence:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
SPECS - I always find that a motorcycle travelling at insane speeds is always good for them:D:D:D:D
Quite simple just tell plod your on a motorcycle then when they point out your in a car go "Oh my god!!!! WTF.... How the hell did that happen???? I left home on a bike" :D:D:D:D:D
some little scrote pulled my front no plate off whilst i was parked at a mates house...
got pulled on way home - plod believed the story (i have an honest face!) and let me go on my way as long as i got another plate next day.
however, he did happen to mention at the time that i could have got a £30 fine, but its not an endorsable offence.
DAVIDRA
just a point mate, having insurance against penalties for not having..... one of my clients (years ago) had a total loss claim and the policy was cancelled following the offer for the motor being made.... he didnt read the letter properly - borrowed a car from a mate and drove it under driving other cars extension.
Had another accident - a serious one - caused a third party to be paralysed for life. The insurance company he was with had to pay the third party under road traffic act regulations - but they went after him..... he now lives in a caravan, cannot work because they'll rob all his earnings, is bankrupt, lost his business, his licence, and his wife (although that could have been for other reasons:rolleyes: ) - the cost of the claim was £200,000+ and he'll be paying it off slowly for the rest of his life:eek:
'arry, that's even worse, he PAID his insurance then made a small mistake (not being a solicitor obviously) and was then punished so badly?
But I have seen lots of reports about people being done for driving without insurance and getting sub-1000 fine, whereas lots of people on here are paying 1000+ for insurance.
I'm not suggesting we drive without insurance, but that they make the offence more serious (If intentional, not some poor s*d who doesn't read a letter properly)
i was done for IN10 (no insurance) back in 97...got 6pts and £100 fine - however:
its cost me a 45%ish load on my premiums for four years!
however, the story about my poor guy was a little harsh - i refuse to deal with the company in question now, because of this and other cases that have come to light..however i cant name them for legal reasons.
Thing is - ppl think insurance is a rob, but in honesty its the ppl who drive without it that are robbing all of us that do. The MIB pay out millions every year to pick up the tab of uninsured motorists - all insurers have to contribute to the "pot" that these millions come out of.. And where do they get that money back? thats right, from us that do pay our premiums.
I've got a claim going through at work right now that has an estimate on it of £3.75million.... and all the guy did was pull out of his driveway and clipped a motorbike. So you can see how/why premiums are taking a battering.
SteveCarter200
30-09-2002, 21:33
Arry mate, question for you.
Ive got third party any vehicle insurance on my FC policy. I understand that the 'any vehicle' cant be owned by myself.
Does the other car have to be insured at all?
Loads of people have told me that a car has to be insured by someone else for my 'third party any vehicle' clause to be valid but I refuse to believe this because third party cover is the legal minumum and if Ive got it through a policy on my own car, allowing me to drive other cars, then surely that would cover me on any other car whether its insued by someone else or not.
Am I right or not?
Originally posted by SteveCarter200
Does the other car have to be insured at all?
Loads of people have told me that a car has to be insured by someone else for my 'third party any vehicle' clause to be valid but I refuse to believe this because third party cover is the legal minumum and if Ive got it through a policy on my own car, allowing me to drive other cars, then surely that would cover me on any other car whether its insued by someone else or not.
Am I right or not?
its a dodgy grey area mate....
your certificate will specify that you may drive a car not owned or belonging to you, or not under HP contract issued to you.
Doesnt say anything there about that car being insured elsewhere does it?
however, whilst you can legally DRIVE the vehicle - what happens when you get out of the vehicle? its no longer covered. Therefore if you leave that vehicle on the public highway without valid insurance and someone (stupid enough) fell over it because it was illegally parked (unlikely but hey, could happen), there would be no insurance in force for that vehicle at that time and therefore the stoopid person could either come at you (being the person last in charge) or the owner for compensation.
also, if you think about it, if the copper asks you to get outta the car you have technically comitted an offence and i think he'd get the hump if you refused to!
all in all, i would say that it would have to be insured elsewhere... however - its not clearly defined at present so there is that margin of error
mattpayne
30-09-2002, 21:49
an interesting point there steve... one ive thought about for a long time...
ive got the same thing on my policy, but out of paranoia have only ever driven a car that was alredy insured...
on a lighter note, you seen Matt_S about, my car is finally sorted now, would be nice to see you guys again some time :D
SteveCarter200
30-09-2002, 21:51
I see.
The main reason I ask is for the purpose of driving an car that has just been bought by a friend, i.e. he hasnt got insurance cover arranged yet so I drive it home for him and park it on his driveway where he doesnt need insurance because its his private property.
That would be OK, yes?
i would check with your insurers first, because as i said it is a grey area and different insurers have different views.
i wouldnt tell em that youre taking it home for him, sounds too much like you're a motor trader! id say something along the lines of "mate has car that he's not using and advertising for sale and he's ok'd me to use it" then tell em its kept offroad because there is no valid insurance cover in force.
as i said its a dodgy one
I asked the same question of my insurance company a while back and they said that the car should be insured in its own right.
Arry, on the subject of people not having insurance pushing up premiums is this not a vicious circle? I would imagine a lot of people don't have insurance cos they can't afford the huge premiums insurance companies charge.
Filmidget
01-10-2002, 12:20
Regarding the thing about the car not being insured when you have driven it on your policy and leave it in a public place...
Could that car be covered '3rd party' by the owners household policy? (ie not for theft/damage, but the person tripping over it)
I know that they don't usually cover cars, because they have their own insurance, but what if it's not insured seperately?
:confused:
Regarding the vicious circle with higher insurance meaning people can't afford it etc...
If you can't afford the insurance don't have the ****ing car! (or at least have a lower grouped one)
It's not a right to have a car... it's a matter of affording it - if you can't so what - work harder! (or adjust your lifestyle etc)
*******s!
Cheers, Phil
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