Drifting Query

[piman2k]

A quick question raised by myself and another member on another forum:

Is it fair to say that UK D1 and the Japanese D1 are very different styles of drifting?

From what I've seen, UK D1 drifting isn't as "extreme" as Japanese drifitng, if you get my meaning. It's very much about power, control and driver skill but Japanese (and now even American D1) is more in your face, with the cars sideways all the time etc.

Would like to get some feedback on this please!

[stoofer]

jap and US cars are generally twice the power of most the UK cars. this will inherently affect the style adopted. expect to see the UK guys get better and better with more experience and more power (money).

[SteveDunn]

Japanese have been doing it a ****load longer than we have, so therefore have had much more practice. We're catching up slowly though.

They also have access to massive drift tracks to do the really fast stuff regulalry, whereas we end up with tight little second gear bollocks.

[disco-tom]

I also seem to see the drivers in the Japanese D1 drifting on older tracks with less run off area's than we have in the UK (especially Silverstone), so it looks more dangerous and spectacular as a result.

The Manufacturer teams and fully stickered up field of drifters aids the looks, too.

[Kiruji]

Also, the Japs are allowed to climb out of the car whereas we're only allowed to have our windows open 2" and aren't allowed to so much as wave...

The Japs are allowed to put on displays whereas H&S ****ery over here dictates that the drivers aren't even allowed to do a victory donut or burnout without getting chucked off the circuit...

[lewisj]

the reason it looks different is all about money
once we get proper sponsorship and money becomes less of a issue and driver skill shows through more
because at the mo I dont care what people say a stock 200 with slight drifty mods isnt going to beat 400bhp proper set up drift car how ever good the driver is
hopefully this time next year well start to shine when money gets plugged into the sport

[RADS_S13]

Japanese have been doing it a ****load longer than we have, so therefore have had much more practice. We're catching up slowly though.

They also have access to massive drift tracks to do the really fast stuff regulalry, whereas we end up with tight little second gear bollocks.

I agree the japs have got tracks that are open for drift every day of the week so they have loads of practice and the US just have loads of space and big corporate backing. some of our lads arn't far off their standard. :nod:

[docwra]

because at the mo I dont care what people say a stock 200 with slight drifty mods isnt going to beat 400bhp proper set up drift car how ever good the driver is


You never saw Julian Smith in his standard R34 4dr then?? :notworthy

Exactly as the other guys say IMO - Japanese football isnt as good as the Premiership, but its getting there :) Lads like Julian, Phil and McNamara were as good (better in some cases) than the D1 guys who came over last year to race - Im sure there will be more this year as well :thumbs:

[piman2k]

Please don't get me wrong: In no way am I trying to insinuate that UK D1 isn't a phenomenal achievement, and I'm not trying to diss the drivers in UK D1. They're fantastic.

We were just discussing the actual sport itself on another forum and I made a comment that the UK D1 isn't as "extreme" as the Japanese D1. Whoever made the comment about proper tracks has got my drift. But at least it shows that the general consensus is that I'm right :)

[Bling]

Please don't get me wrong: In no way am I trying to insinuate that UK D1 isn't a phenomenal achievement, and I'm not trying to diss the drivers in UK D1. They're fantastic.

We were just discussing the actual sport itself on another forum and I made a comment that the UK D1 isn't as "extreme" as the Japanese D1. Whoever made the comment about proper tracks has got my drift. But at least it shows that the general consensus is that I'm right :)



I'm sure the term was quote "W.A.N.K" that you used rather than less extreme dude....which is what got to me a bit...less extreme yes...."W.A.N.K" afraid that's a no no

that's what got to me


Have you ever watched legal UK D1?

It's W.A.N.K!!! I'm sorry, but compared to anything in Japan and now even America, it just doesn't compare.



and that isn't all the comments you made, but before you go round saying your right blah blah, i just think you should watch abit more of D1 drifting before making comments that u have.
i am not having ago in anyway as i didn't on the other forum...should think you should open your eyes abit more before you start slagging off your fellow Brits, saying that we can only drift round one corner etc, as ppl have said Julian, Phil and McNamara are picking up the game big time ..i mean McNamara at silverstone ...well close isn't the word,
as i say not having ago, was just a little annoyed

thanks
Dan

[SteveCarter200]

Piman, I take it youre basing your views on last years UKD1? Expect some major differences this year then as, Im sure you know, UKD1 doesnt exist any more and has been replaced by D1GB which has D1 Corporation backing and is being run on the same format as the more 'extreme' (dude) Japanese and US drifting youve seen on video.

[piman2k]

How completely and utterly pointless quoting me from another site. Yay let's let it spill over onto here as well shall we and try and make Ryan look stupid. The most retarded thing you've ever done.


as i say not having ago, was just a little annoyed
For the record, I am having a go, and I am annoyed.

As for the rest of the comment you made, I think you should carefully read what I posted above. If we're drawing quotes:

In no way am I trying to insinuate that UK D1 isn't a phenomenal achievement, and I'm not trying to diss the drivers in UK D1. They're fantastic.


You're basing your comments on driver skill, your defense. I'm not discussing driver skill.

It's obvious that because of the money and popularity of D1 in the land of the rising sun, that it's nowhere near as mental as it is over there.

Steve, I should follow up on the D1GB to make more accurate assumptions, but drifting just isn't my thing en masse. I'm not saying I don't enjoy a good slide, but the sport doesn't appeal to me.

I'll have a scout at this D1GB season though dude!

[Bling]

Chill dude! i'm not trying to make you look stupid...and i know what you said above ...but if you think that, then why call it all a bunch off shite on another site.....that's all i was pointing out...as Ive already said the only thing that go to me was the fact you were saying that D1 was **** when i don't think you have ever even been to watch a event? So for gods sake calm down

[s14_dave]

Piman you GAY, you have no idea what you are talking about, post the same thing up on driftworks and lets see what they have to say.

[JB]

Piman you GAY,
No need for you, as a guest of this club, to insult a paying member is there :no:

If you disagree with the view then there a more elequent and grown up ways of expressing your views :indiff:

[Aitch]

I've a feeling you might get a chinese burn in the playground at dinnertime for that comment JB :wack: :D

[piman2k]

I do believe this topic has served it's purpose, as it's degenerated into a scrabble match because people are petty.

Respectfully requesting lock or deletion.

[PhilMorrison]

Well I'm not sure what the 'purpose' of this thread was exactly. I could take offence at you saying that my best efforts last year were deemed to be w.ank, but I can't really be bothered. It's obvious that you just need to take note of whats already been said here, and appreciate the fact that just 3 years ago the premiere competition in the UK was held around cones in an airfield, and we had never drifted on any real track. We have come a very long way, and the top 5 of this years D1GB will be competing against the best in Japan and America at D1GP Irwindale in December, so I suggest you take at look at how heated the UK competition gets this year :)..

[Vez]

Yeah dont go out so early in the D1 demonstration round this year, your practice drifiting before the main event was awsome phillip :smash:

[joeS13sx]

D1GB is geting bigger :nod: seeing the japD1 cars in the mags is what i call "extream":nod: but look at the cars entering in the uk. now phills for instance just looking at the car you think its just came across on the boat but like phill says 3years ago drifting was a few cones on an airfeild its came a long way indeed:nod: i think it would be good to se it bradcast on the telly at some point:thumbs:

[piman2k]

Sigh, here we go.

Once again, as I've had to illustrate on the other forum, it was a comparative statement. If you take the time to read my post, I quite clearly state that I was in no way negating the skill and effort of the drivers nor the quality of their vehicles, merely the extremety of the sport based on the success rate.

Nor am I debating that it hasn't evolved into a much more successful sport.

I accept my wording was insufficient on the other forum, but it's besides the point. It was a comparative statement of the UK scene to the established Jap scene. If you chose to take offense to that, then you'd be foolish.

Sigh.

[Mark]

Mate you cant call something w@nk and then get all shirty when people (especially those who partake in the activity) get upset or take offence :no:

If you put a post up saying British Engineering is w@nk and the japs are better at it i would get upset too :nod:

You have to be careful when typing words on a forum as intent cannot be assessed :no:

And there is no way you cant call Phils car extreme ;) :wack: :notworthy

[Aitch]

If you put a post up saying British Engineering is w@nk and the japs are better at it i would get upset too :nod:
You've got to admire their railways though :nod:

[piman2k]

Mate you cant call something w@nk and then get all shirty when people (especially those who partake in the activity) get upset or take offence :no:
I'm not getting shirty. I'm getting shirty because I put this topic up on here in a deliberately softened up state so as not to cause any offense, as this forum is full of drift competitors and fans.

I'm not trying to cause a ruckus, in fact I actually regret daring to ask the question.

However looking at the poll, 33 people seem to get my point.

How many times must I repeat that I'm not dissing the people and I'm not dissing the sport. Granted my wording was too strong on that other forum, but it's the only way I could get the message across there.

Anyways, let's call it quits, because it's going nowhere. It's not something I think now even needed to be here. Please for love of heavan someone lock this or delete it!

[Aitch]

I'm not getting shirty. I'm getting shirty...
:notworthy

I think the problem here is that there must be another thread, on another forum, about this, that those of us who couldn't give a toss one way or the other about the differences in drifting styles aren't privvy to and couldn't care less about. It seems a shame you're getting grief on this forum for something said on another though that may or may not have been taken out of context (but probably has) :rolleyes:

[Vez]

:notworthy

I think the problem here is that there must be another thread, on another forum, about this, that those of us who couldn't give a toss one way or the other about the differences in drifting styles aren't privvy to and couldn't care less about. It seems a shame you're getting grief on this forum for something said on another though that may or may not have been taken out of context (but probably has) :rolleyes:

Your post is weak sauce :wack:

[Aitch]

Your post is weak sauce :wack:
I have absolutely no idea what that means :no:

[Jezz_S13]

You've got to admire their railways though :nod:

And their cars, electronics, sushi...

[Aitch]

And their cars, electronics, sushi...
Yeah, the electronics in my Japanese cars are as effective as sushi too :wack:

[Hashiriya]

OK i guess i should throw in a quick opinion as i am partly responsible for our boys being w.ank

I know where piman is comming from. The jap footage looks crazy as they are better drivers and the general standard of car prep is good too. so you get a yes in the poll from me.

However, the uk scene is playing catchup at a serious rate. lets look at the things that make the jap drift scene "extreme"


Better drivers "standards are cathing up and our top biys are now level with the higher end drivers in japan"
better cars... again we are catching up with many very well prepared cars being used this year
better tracks... d1gb are using the best tracks in the uk with the best facilities and capabilities to bring drifting in the uk up to scratch with the other countries
mental mc who shouts lots... we will have one of them this year too


So yes the uk scene is still behind but it won't be long before we catch up

[DaveV]

Your post is weak sauce :wack:

PMSL :clap:

[s14_dave]

I would just like to say that i apologise for calling piman2k a :ghey: ,its just what was said on another forum that UK drifting is w.a.n.k that got to me (this post has since been edited and deleted by the way:rolleyes: ). You have to respect your fellow country men for all the hardwork, money, entertainment etc...that these guys put in to the events. End of the day there was no need to bring this argument from one forum to the next, so once more i apologise:whip:

[Mark]

OK i guess i should throw in a quick opinion as i am partly responsible for our boys being w.ank

I know where piman is comming from. The jap footage looks crazy as they are better drivers and the general standard of car prep is good too. so you get a yes in the poll from me.

However, the uk scene is playing catchup at a serious rate. lets look at the things that make the jap drift scene "extreme"


Better drivers "standards are cathing up and our top biys are now level with the higher end drivers in japan"
better cars... again we are catching up with many very well prepared cars being used this year
better tracks... d1gb are using the best tracks in the uk with the best facilities and capabilities to bring drifting in the uk up to scratch with the other countries
mental mc who shouts lots... we will have one of them this year too


So yes the uk scene is still behind but it won't be long before we catch up

I agree with this :nod:

Year before last the whole scene in the UK was pretty poor, there was one or 2 good guys in the pro class like Phil and Julian but the clubman class was dismal (sorry guys, hats off to you for trying though :thumbs: )

Last year was 200% better all round but the way the clubman class stepped up was amazing :notworthy and the exibition match with the Jap drivers was outstanding :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Really looking forward to catching some of the events this year :thumbs:

So yes i agree to a point with the opening statement but this only because of how long the Japs have been doing it and we are catching up real fast :nod:

[Bling]

I agree with this :nod:

Year before last the whole scene in the UK was pretty poor, there was one or 2 good guys in the pro class like Phil and Julian but the clubman class was dismal (sorry guys, hats off to you for trying though :thumbs: )

Last year was 200% better all round but the way the clubman class stepped up was amazing :notworthy and the exibition match with the Jap drivers was outstanding :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Really looking forward to catching some of the events this year :thumbs:

So yes i agree to a point with the opening statement but this only because of how long the Japs have been doing it and we are catching up real fast :nod:



yea i fully agree with all this as well, the only thing that got to me was was the wan.k statement and that UK only drift round one corner blah blah well i ain't going into it all again,anyho next min i see a poll on here saying are UK drifters less extreme?, due to a discussion on another forum.
now if pieman had used the same terms on the other forum as he did on here i wouldn't off even battered an eyelid,
also everyone on the other forum then got told how he had put up a poll on the 200 owners club and that 80% off the ppl on the have said the same as him...so in fact making him right,
But 80% wern t saying that UK drifting was wan,k 80% were saying that UK drifters were less extreme etc
as I'm sure if he had put a poll on here saying are the UK drifters wan.k etc then the outcome would off been a lot different.

so there you go as i say i didn't mean out by it, i just dont get why you would go from slagging off the Britt scene on one forum then go the other end of the scale on another?
anyway I'm sure this as gone on for long enough now...lol:nod:

but now maybe you see where i was coming from...maybe i am a retard:wack:

aye Nismo Mark...im sure i spy my car in the background on your sig on the dme Stand:thumbs:

laters
Dan

[sirtest2004]

i voted yes but not because of the cars or driver, because of the stringent regulations in D1GB that have the potential to take some of the fun away...celebratory doughnuts are a necessity!!

[jonjon]

I voted for "no, it's not fair to say japanese drifters are more extreme..." it is probably fair to say they are more experienced. But from what little I understand of the meaning of 'extreme' being extreme isn't anything to do with experience, the opposite usually. I would have said that the round of eurodrift I saw last year in Birmingham in an oval was *way* more extreme than the pro D1GP rounds. Those big soft pillows the japanese get to crash into ?! I saw nothing but hard twisty metal armco for the UK drifters to drive at. That's extreme.