Norris's Evo - Fast as fook [Archive]

01-08-2002, 19:07

Saw the car yesterday on the ramps at ND being prepped for some show in York at the weekend or something..

One of the mechanic guys was saying it was a bit of a bitch, nothing major going wrong, but niggling, and regularish problems..

But as has been said, somewhat expecting when running within spitting distance of 600bhp I guess.. :)

bond_200

01-08-2002, 21:39

I hope he isn't still claiming to have the most powerful Evo outside of Japan - anyone seen this months Banzai? ;)

Daniel san

01-08-2002, 22:56

Originally posted by andyf
Says Dan with the hitachi power :)

Eh? :confused:

DanS14

01-08-2002, 23:12

Norris S13 spec......

18" X 7.5" Khan RSR's
225/40ZR18 Avon ZZ1 Tyres

Feckin avons!

Mr_Sukebe

02-08-2002, 06:57

I remember seeing a copy of Laxpower with the Norris Evo in it.

The guys in the mag took it through the Hatfield tunnel at 188mph.

Now I haven't got a problem with people driving quickly on emply stretches of road, but the Hatfield tunnel is not even straight.

I don't seem to remember being able to see the other end of it when you first drive in. So regardless of the cars ability, chances are that they couldn't have stopped if something had been stopped at the other end.

To me, that sounds like completely irresponsible driving. I hope the cops throw the key away after banging them up.

mike_s14

02-08-2002, 08:11

Yeh saw it last weekend at the rally supercar day at castle combe

Buy good it was quick round the track, it took out moded evos with ease :D but there was a audi there that was even quicker :eek: shortwheel base silver quattro, he was that quick from the line on the time trail he overshot a corner and ploughed through the plastic barriers :( awesome car :D

NikB

02-08-2002, 09:15

Originally posted by Mr_Sukebe
I remember seeing a copy of Laxpower with the Norris Evo in it.

The guys in the mag took it through the Hatfield tunnel at 188mph.

I saw that too and remebered thinking what a pile of cr*p. I can't believe that it's true, but the most stupid thing is Norris putting his name to that article. How can you gain any respect in the world of serious tuning when you behave like that. I doubt that many readers of lax bowels have the cash to go to him anyway. Pointless.

Johnny

02-08-2002, 09:33

Originally posted by DanS14
Norris S13 spec......

18" X 7.5" Khan RSR's
225/40ZR18 Avon ZZ1 Tyres

Feckin avons!

When you got 480bhp and only 225 rubber on the back I dont think it matters what make they are, they gonna spin all over the place.

Probably goes for them coz they are cheaper to replace than Bridgestones ??

andyf

02-08-2002, 11:01

Originally posted by NikB

I saw that too and remebered thinking what a pile of cr*p. I can't believe that it's true, but the most stupid thing is Norris putting his name to that article. How can you gain any respect in the world of serious tuning when you behave like that. I doubt that many readers of lax bowels have the cash to go to him anyway. Pointless.

Ahh right, gotcha - Gaijin Norris is a bad bad man for demonstrating his Evo is rather quick...

So when Max go off to Japan to check out the tuners, get offered a ride in a car, and then charged up and down the local roads by the head of the company at twice the speed limit, that's ok ?

andyf

02-08-2002, 11:03

Originally posted by bond_200
I hope he isn't still claiming to have the most powerful Evo outside of Japan - anyone seen this months Banzai? ;)

Quite true - 700bhp is rather chunky. However that's obtained with some rather fancy fuel - his low boost / pump gas setting gives him somewhat less power. Hence the reason Norris 'limits' his to 580bhp - that's all super unleaded is good for.
We should get him to stick a tub of C-16 in there and run it on the dyno :)

NikB

02-08-2002, 11:22

Originally posted by andyf

Ahh right, gotcha - Gaijin Norris is a bad bad man for demonstrating his Evo is rather quick...

No, but there's a time and a place for travelling at 188MPH, I think some of the guys that ran at the TSC would confirm that the Hatfield Tunnel would not be the ideal place. Admitting in a national mag that you have done such a thing would not seem like the most sensible idea would it? Doubly so when you are trying to give your company a good image.

Originally posted by andyf

So when Max go off to Japan to check out the tuners, get offered a ride in a car, and then charged up and down the local roads by the head of the company at twice the speed limit, that's ok ?

I don't think that most things Lax does nowadays is OK:D :D

bond_200

02-08-2002, 13:59

Most people on here have taken their cars "off the clock" which is 140plus in some cases. I cant see that there is much differene between the two - a crash at 140 isnt gonna be much different to 188.

Supraman1

02-08-2002, 14:19

The hatfield tunnel really doesn't have the sort of visibility you need for 190mph shenanigans. There are a couple of places near there on the A1 where you could do that speed and still "stop in the distance you can see to be clear" - I used to do shift work a year or so ago, and got my Supra up to an indicated 165 on 5am on a sunday morning on one section with approx three miles of visibility. Didn't quite have that "Ridge Racer" look though, which I suspect is what they were after.

andyf

02-08-2002, 15:02

Originally posted by NikB

Admitting in a national mag that you have done such a thing would not seem like the most sensible idea would it? Doubly so when you are trying to give your company a good image.

To be honest, I don't think Norris particuarly cares what people think of him ragging his car around. The majority of people that notice this particular article, those that read Max Power, see an Evo doing 188mph and think "by jove, that's fast". As for his company image, he doesn't exactly advertise yet doesn't seem to have a problem doing extremely good business for himself. Oh and for your earlier comment ;) - I occasionally read Max Power, and I've been to Norris and bought stuff... bit of a stereotype you made there

NikB

02-08-2002, 16:16

Originally posted by andyf

To be honest, I don't think Norris particuarly cares what people think of him ragging his car around. The majority of people that notice this particular article, those that read Max Power, see an Evo doing 188mph and think "by jove, that's fast". As for his company image, he doesn't exactly advertise yet doesn't seem to have a problem doing extremely good business for himself. Oh and for your earlier comment ;) - I occasionally read Max Power, and I've been to Norris and bought stuff... bit of a stereotype you made there

Maybe it's just me then, but I would not like to have any company I owned associated with such an article. Maybe some track times, quarter mile times maybe....

I myself read lax bowells ocassionally and you must admit they they do tend to 'enhance' the articles they write.

The earlier comment was made at the mainstream Lax readers who want bass bins disguised as NOS bottles etc. Not the people that will spend the time and money to perfect an Evo for track use. I find it strange that you want to associate yourself with the Lax crowd just cos you have read it occasionally:D

andyf

02-08-2002, 20:48

No no, never wanted to 'associate' myself, you just took a swipe at every max power reader ever, that's all. Did you yourself not read the magazine to see the article?

Mr_Sukebe

03-08-2002, 07:31

Well I obviously bought the mag to read the article.

Personally, as stated already, I have no problems with people driving their cars VERY quickly, but I would suggest that there are correct times and places.

e.g.

- In a congested town centre, I'd say that above 20mph is quite fast enough when a kid could step out infront of you.
- On an open motorway, with nothing around and good visibility, who cares what speed you drive at (apart from the plod)

Unfortunately the Hatfield tunnel really isn't the place to run a max speed test. This is a curved tunnel, which means you're f..ked if there's something stopped on the other side.

Now I'd hope that Norris wasn't aware of what the Max boys would do with his motor.
But for the Max boys, I really do hope that Plod goes around to have a very impolite chat with them.

Picture this, you're sat stationary in your S13 at the end of the tunnel, because there's been an accident up the road infront of you. Then you spot an Evo in your rear view mirrors weaving around under braking to wipe of 188mph with bugger all stopping distance. Does that make you cringe?

andyf

07-08-2002, 20:57

Originally posted by bond_200
I hope he isn't still claiming to have the most powerful Evo outside of Japan - anyone seen this months Banzai? ;)

Just re-read that today while on the bog!

Something struck me that I didn't notice before!!

Compression Ratio: 8.5:1

err... how the HELL is he running THAT with 500/600/700bhp (depending on whatever bloody boost he runs)

Surely not!

NB: Just had a look at the Norris Evo (http://web.norrisdesigns.com/Feature_Cars_view.asp?FCid=18&strcat=1&id=1&cid=0) - doesn't mention his compression ratio..

is this likely a misprint or can you REALLY get high power out of the Mitsub engine at that compression!

XEB

07-08-2002, 21:24

Hatfield tunnel is NOT the place to go fast. But it always seems to be the place that people do go fast. Some sort of weird brain fade effect! Every time I go through it there always sems to be someone who wants to race me. Not before or after but just there. Whats that all about? It curves the road is often a bit on the slippery side and usually full of other cars when this happens.

I can think of loads of other great roads where high speed is relatively safe but not a tunnel

mambastu

07-08-2002, 22:28

Originally posted by andyf

Compression Ratio: 8.5:1

err... how the HELL is he running THAT with 500/600/700bhp (depending on whatever bloody boost he runs)

He has water injection.....

andyf

08-08-2002, 08:10

To run at that boost constantly? He must go through the water hella quickly ...

Daniel san

08-08-2002, 08:44

You don't need low comp to run high boost and lots of power! It's all about how you "tune" the car, it's all in the mapping. Glen's R34 runs about 9:1 comp

SteveCarter200

08-08-2002, 09:37

Originally posted by Dan_BlitzedS14
You don't need low comp to run high boost and lots of power! It's all about how you "tune" the car, it's all in the mapping. Glen's R34 runs about 9:1 comp

I think its got far more to do with how strong the engine components are than the quality of the mapping.

If mapping was the essential factor why do all turbo engines that are based on a NA engine lower compression? I'm pretty sure that if manufacturers could bung a turbo onto an NA block and just map it to take the power they would do so, afterall it would be far cheaper for them that way.