View Full Version : New inexspensive S14 intercooler kits with no cutting or messing with battery
These kits are now on special offer at £328! This isnt a perminant price drop, the price will go back up to the normal price in a couple of weeks
We have a new type of S14 intercooler kit just about ready to go. They fit straight in with no cutting to battery tray or chassis legs but still offer a huge increase in performance over the original wing mounted cooler.
We have test fitted a kit and it went on beautifully. We even kept the fogs with a little tweak to the back of the passenger foglight :)
The kits will be £399 and the first few are landing next week.
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=22030&stc=1
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=22031&stc=1
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That looks sweet, will you be doing anything like that for the S13??
No, not a market from them :no:
How do these compare to the HKS lookalike ones you do and the Hybrid ones Bren??
I want one of these so badly...its my 21st next week so ill see if i get any pennies from long lost relatives :D
They are a very neat kit, Bren and I installed that one to Demrogs car (now RedS14a owns it) in a single evening with no instructions :wack:
I think RedS14a new Blue S14a :rolleyes: will be at Trax for anyone wanting a closer look :nod:
at last. how many times have i moaned, whinged and complained about the buthery needed to fit a wmic (not to Bren, but to the world in general, or anyone who is listening)
would compliment the sensible exhaust :D
got a picture from the top looking down?
They are a very neat kit, Bren and I installed that one to Demrogs car (now RedS14a owns it) in a single evening with no instructions :wack:
I think RedS14a new Blue S14a :rolleyes: will be at Trax for anyone wanting a closer look :nod:
Sounds good!! Ill have to come over to the SXOC stand and introduce my self for people that dont know me!! Ill be the little lad that looks about 12 :wack:
Do you provide fitting for this? :D
Sounds good!! Ill have to come over to the SXOC stand and introduce my self for people that dont know me!! Ill be the little lad that looks about 12 :wack:
12?? You must have got a bit older from the last time i saw you! :wack: :thumbs:
What are the core sizes and things??
How do they compare with the other ones you do??
Does the routing of the pipes affect the air flow at all??
Do you provide fitting for this? :D
There might be a local who would ;) Drop me a PM, I can also save you on postage and collect and fit it and do it on your drive in Stockport.....
I dont know how they compare in terms of performance to the Hybrid and Apex coolers.
I dont know why people keep banging on about Hybrid coolers either to be honest. They arent as nice or as comprehensive a kit as our own new fmic's, theyre more exspensive and the finish on the pipes can and does go manky over time.
SM >> fancy fitting two? May well be ordering one of these in the next couple of months too... :nod: :thumbs:
Bren >> did you mention a group buy on these? Would be very interested if you were to do one. :nod:
A group buy is very possible :nod: :)
SL25 - yeah I'm sure that something can be sorted.
(sorry Bren, cluttering your thread)
EDIT: to below - I'll bring a knife to Trax :wave:
SM im sure SL25 wouldnt mind coming over to Stockport for a Saturday to get these fitted, could get them both done in one day then :D
A group buy sounds even better :D
Fook me, how long is that pipe run :eek:
Cant see that being as efficient as a cooler with the normal shorter pipes :no:
They arent as nice or as comprehensive a kit as our own new fmic's, theyre more exspensive and the finish on the pipes can and does go manky over time.
Ain't that the truth :( :(
:indiff:
Looks very nice, well done Mr Bren.
PS - you should get those hoses back tomorrow. I tried to post them yesterday, but it was pension day and the post office queue was out the door with people buying car tax :rolleyes:
Fook me, how long is that pipe run :eek:
Cant see that being as efficient as a cooler with the normal shorter pipes :no:
No it wont be, the core is smaller too, by about 20%, I'm guessing its about 600*250*65 instead of 600*300*65, its a good idea for people who want to NOT cut a 90mm hole and have a small battery.
Better than an uprated WMIC, but not as good as an "normal" FMIC.
If a normal FMIC is good for 450-550bhp these should still be good for 350-400. They are more expensivce than Brens other FMIC's too, but you save not needing a redtop. I'd get the normal one, but people who are happy at stage 1 and just want something better than the WMIC without chopping the car should be fine with this.
Fook me, how long is that pipe run :eek:
Cant see that being as efficient as a cooler with the normal shorter pipes :no:
The normal front mounts are lower down and further into the bumper so its a longer run into and out of the core.
They also have larger bore pipework. Larger bore means greater volume.
The cooler itself is also larger. Larger cooler means greater volume.
Any idea of the volume of a Greddy cooler set up from the end of the hot pipe to the plenum? Any idea of the volume of our new set up from the end of the hotpipe to the plenum? Like to state for a fact that ours is larger than a Greddy and put money on it? ;) Cash waiting here :nod: You get your money out and I will put together two kits and fill the feckers with water.
If I had two identical 200s, one with standard cooler and one with our new kit I would happily put money on you not being able to tell me which car is which.
No it wont be, the core is smaller too, by about 20%, I'm guessing its about 600*250*65 instead of 600*300*65, its a good idea for people who want to NOT cut a 90mm hole and have a small battery.
Better than an uprated WMIC, but not as good as an "normal" FMIC.
If a normal FMIC is good for 450-550bhp these should still be good for 350-400. They are more expensivce than Brens other FMIC's too, but you save not needing a redtop. I'd get the normal one, but people who are happy at stage 1 and just want something better than the WMIC without chopping the car should be fine with this.
Yer i agree there is definatly a market for it (Adam D are you reading this, get one brought now ;) ) Just as long people are aware its not going to be as good as a full size FMIC :thumbs: Will be 10x better than a uprated WMIC though ( Do you even sell these anymore Bren :confused: )
It wont be as good as a full size, its a smaller core so thats not going to happen. It will be far far far better than the standard wing mount and the larger wing mounts though :nod:
I was waffling about lag rather than capability in the above post. Ill get some air temps with one of our new kits and see how well they work :)
We still do the wing mounts, people still buy them. I think these kits will be the death of the larger wing mounts though :nod:
Its the pipe after the cooler Bren, its massive and would expect the air to be re-warmed up as it spends a good 1m in the engiine bay :nod: Probably only a degree or 5 but still warmer ;)
We still do the wing mounts, people still buy them. I think these kits will be the death of the larger wing mounts though :nod:
Indeed, this is a much better way of doing it :thumbs:
Richy_Boy
01-09-2005, 15:19
Is there no room to run the exit pipe UNDER the rad and then up into the thottle body? That way it'll be the best of both worlds?
i.e.
http://www.thefozreport.co.uk/gallery/upload/icidea/fmic.jpg
Rich
If I had two identical 200s, one with standard cooler and one with our new kit I would happily put money on you not being able to tell me which car is which.
:confused: that's not exactly a selling point is it?
new super dooper front mount. can't tell the difference from standard
:confused: that's not exactly a selling point is it?
new super dooper front mount. can't tell the difference from standard
He means "standard type" FMIC Vs long pipe/no cut FMIC - I assume on a Stage 1 S14.
Is there no room to run the exit pipe UNDER the rad and then up into the thottle body? That way it'll be the best of both worlds?
If there was do you think the normal route would go through the battery tray ??
Ah i thought he meant the original std cooler aswell! I was bloody hoping it would be an improvement for 400 quid :D
I meant you couldnt tell the difference in terms of lag.
The kits are designed done and dusted. They arent going to be changed :no:
LOL...should imagine there would be a marked improvement to be honest, especaiialy if you suspect you have a leak somewhere in the old WMIC like I do. :nod:
This is perfect for me, keep the normal battery, no cutting and I can remove it all and put it back to boost leaking standard should I ever need to. :nod:
And a trip to Stockport would not be a problem at all....will bring the beers as payment SM. :thumbs:
Will keep my eyes open for a group buy then. :nod:
Ill start on the group buy later today :)
Im in the same boat as you Si, my wmic is leaking and i dont wanna start hacking away just yet! And if im going to have to replace the wmic i may aswell go that little bit further and get one of these.
You dont waste much time do you bren..
Ill look forward to seeing the price :D
Richy_Boy
01-09-2005, 15:49
Erm, the price is on the first post!
Rich
So you dont get a reduced price for the group buy Bren is sorting out no?
Richy_Boy
01-09-2005, 15:59
Doh - sorry.
Rich
would them pipes work with a HKS type S cooler? if so how much for the pipes?
Ive no idea, I dont know what the S type looks like. :no:
http://www.hksusa.com/images_products/s-type.jpg
HKS S-Type Intercooler Kits
HKS S-Type intercooler kits are front mount units utilizing either a 600mm X 301mm X 65mm core or a 600mm X 244mm X 65mm core. The larger core is efficient up to 450HP and the smaller core to 400HP. All S-Types utilize a multiple loop shape on the outer fins and a straight through design on the inner fins; allowing the pressurized air to quickly pass through.
Dont know if this helps :confused:
Id be very very suprised if our pipework would mate up to that core.
http://www.hksusa.com/images_products/s-type.jpg
HKS S-Type Intercooler Kits
HKS S-Type intercooler kits are front mount units utilizing either a 600mm X 301mm X 65mm core or a 600mm X 244mm X 65mm core. The larger core is efficient up to 450HP and the smaller core to 400HP. All S-Types utilize a multiple loop shape on the outer fins and a straight through design on the inner fins; allowing the pressurized air to quickly pass through.
Dont know if this helps :confused:
That looks like a normal FMIC :nod: if you look on Brens, the inlet is at the bottom of the IC and the outlet at the top ;)
got you :thumbs: still new to this game :confused:
LOL...should imagine there would be a marked improvement to be honest, especaiialy if you suspect you have a leak somewhere in the old WMIC like I do. I had a minor leak somewhere in my system too and bought the normal fmic kit to avoid having to diagnose and fix the standard setup. The difference was night and day even at standard boost. The car revs nicely to the red line now without sounding like an asthmatic marathon runner.
Any uprated intercooler has to be better than an old standard one. Also with these, you ditch the swirl tank which I'm presuming you wouldnt with an uprated wing mount - which is a good thing if you dont mind the turbo kicking in a bit more violently.
Monkey-200sx
01-09-2005, 19:03
I have just discovered i have a cracked WMIC pipe :( so im deffinatly interested in a group buy of this intercooler
sunnybono
01-09-2005, 20:12
that style is like the apexi one for the s13. hot and cold on the same side.
hmmm very interesting... on first seeing them the length of the pipework did scare the life out of me, but that subject seems to have been put to bed....
Have to see what organs i can flog :nod:
TheBurger
01-09-2005, 21:40
As a matter of interest, a question for all those who have fitted FMIC.
Is it not possible to take the pipe through by the sides of the radiator as per to black circle below. I know it may take a bit of metal work, but there looks like enough room behind the headlights. It would be a very short run
http://www.nickb.plus.com/car/IMG_0069.jpg
Its possible but this kit is done dusted developed tested and 50 of the feckers are sat with our suppliers bought and paid for so Im not changing them now ;)
TheBurger
01-09-2005, 21:49
Its possible but this kit is done dusted developed tested and 50 of the feckers are sat with our suppliers bought and paid for so Im not changing them now ;)
So its finished then :D ;)
I was thinking along the lines of a custom install
nice but longer pipes increase lag
nice but longer pipes increase lag
Read through the post and my comments re lag before stating thing like that :annoyed:
TheBurger
01-09-2005, 22:02
nice but longer pipes increase lag
Can can you say that my suggestion would use longer pipes. It would be the most direct and therefore the shortest pipes. :no:
pmsl - great entertainment, thanks guys!!
on a serious note, this kit is a great idea, hey bren what if you had the... where'e me coat?
Can can you say that my suggestion would use longer pipes. It would be the most direct and therefore the shortest pipes. :no:
I think hes talking about the new kits, not your idea :)
so Im not changing them now ;)
Ahhh go on, wheres your sense of adventure, will be fun, move the ic an inch to the left :p
Looks interesting, though i am worried about the lag?
:wack:
Yeah, how much laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag?
:D
Seriously, not see a GB yet. Any ideas how much for the GB?
Bren you can bite me, im sorry but i do know exactly what im talking about!! im not saying what you have is not good im just saying its not a perfect alternative when other things available are so much better! This serves its purpose but its not ideal. I build turbo cars, intercoolers, pipe work etc for a living!
Well I'm going for one. :)
Keeping a decent sized battery is important to me as I don't use the car that much and can't use a trickle charger where I park.
There are so many factors beyond the length of one pipe that could affect lag, pipe and intercooler volume, pipe diameter, intercooler restrictiveness, pipe joins.
Yeao.
Im up for a group buy on this too - but fundage my end and thus payment is now into October - so if theres a 6 week lead time on this, that suits me.
Bren you can bite me!
your missing the point, Bren sells intercoolers with better pipe routing this is desgned for people who dont want to chop holes in their car, hes not saying it the best pipe route :annoyed:
Bren you can bite me, im sorry but i do know exactly what im talking about!! im not saying what you have is not good im just saying its not a perfect alternative when other things available are so much better! This serves its purpose but its not ideal. I build turbo cars, intercoolers, pipe work etc for a living!
Did you not say (before editing this post) that you would reserve judgement until you saw it for youself :confused:
Bren you can bite me, im sorry but i do know exactly what im talking about!! im not saying what you have is not good im just saying its not a perfect alternative when other things available are so much better! This serves its purpose but its not ideal. I build turbo cars, intercoolers, pipe work etc for a living!
Nice attitude for someone new to the board. Got 4 posts and already your abusing one of our fine sxoc traders :annoyed: :whip:
I doubt bren would want to bite you - you do sound rather horrid tasting :nod:
Butuz
Paul200sx
05-09-2005, 12:58
Bren you can bite me, im sorry but i do know exactly what im talking about!! im not saying what you have is not good im just saying its not a perfect alternative when other things available are so much better! This serves its purpose but its not ideal. I build turbo cars, intercoolers, pipe work etc for a living!
also if there are so many better alternatives why havent you made one???
Bren you can bite me, im sorry but i do know exactly what im talking about!! im not saying what you have is not good im just saying its not a perfect alternative when other things available are so much better! This serves its purpose but its not ideal. I build turbo cars, intercoolers, pipe work etc for a living!
Whats the volume of our new kit and the volume of a Greddy kit?
Bren you can bite me, im sorry but i do know exactly what im talking about!! im not saying what you have is not good im just saying its not a perfect alternative when other things available are so much better! This serves its purpose but its not ideal. I build turbo cars, intercoolers, pipe work etc for a living!
No need for that.....
Ban him :smash: :D
doing some basic maths (which may be complete bollox of course)
every revolution the engine will use 1 ltre of air (with no boost)
atmospheric pressure is 14.7psi at sea level
so running a boost of 10psi means we have 1.68 the volume of air per rev
ie 1.68 litres
at 4000 rpm, that's 66 revs per second, or 112 litres of air per second.
looking at the pipe work, the extra pipes going from the ic to the plenum look to be about the size of 5 2l coke bottles.
ish. roughly.
approx :D
which can be filled in 0.08 of a second, from empty to 10psi. but of course they aren't empty in the first place, so the figure can be reuced somewhat. to slightly more than "not a lot"
:D
....... which can be filled in 0.08 of a second, from empty to 10psi. but of course they aren't empty in the first place, so the figure can be reuced somewhat. to slightly more than "not a lot"
:D
So you are saying that it's an extra 0.08 of a second after planting your foot on the floor, until the big grin appears on your face?
I could live with that :D
Yeah me too. And frankly, seeing as I only want to go up to 390 or so bhp, that is plenty for me.
Any more than this and I am not going to be using it as my main car...
So - Im well up for one of these. Cheers. Whats total kit price, plus fittings gaskets yada yada yada in a group buy - AND delivered likely to come out at?
Error404
05-09-2005, 15:14
Sounds good!! Ill have to come over to the SXOC stand and introduce my self for people that dont know me!! Ill be the little lad that looks about 12 :wack:
no thats me :nod:
Group buys here :)
http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=170220
£319 bargain!
Ill be advertising this one!
Excellent price :) Have asked a couple of questions about the group buy on the other thread :)
also if there are so many better alternatives why havent you made one???
I dont need to make one they are already available, inlet and outlet on the same side (intercooler)
And Bren, more volume in what exactly? intercooler or whole kit including pipes?
Im not trying to piss you off just talking...
Moby-Dick
06-09-2005, 22:20
I'm with grim on this.
I've wheeled out the pic before , and I'll wheel it out again.
how come if short IC pipes are so darn important , can this be "ok"
http://www.mach2racing.com/images/PPIHC_250604/DSC00377.JPG
thats the Pikes Peak RS 200 produced by Mach2 Racing.
sorry for the hijack bren :)
I personally think its an urban myth about the length of IC piping and will only be happy once I've seen RR proof.
I'm not actually sure an RR is the place to proove it. I suppose you actually want a data logger on a 1/4 mile sprint ad RR's dont always have the best airflow.
ShawJohn
06-09-2005, 23:35
nice but longer pipes increase lag
I can vouch for the lag being no worse than any other tubbied car... :nod:
It performed flawlessly at Trax :thumbs:
well recommended!!! :notworthy
EDIT: A bigger core will make more lag as the volume of the core needs filling as well as the pipes :nod: And someone (sorry, forgot your name) at Trax reconned that the intake charge is moving at 500ft/sec at peak torque so even if you double the pipe length it won't make too much difference...
[QUOTE=Moby-Dick]I'm with grim on this.
I've wheeled out the pic before , and I'll wheel it out again.
how come if short IC pipes are so darn important , can this be "ok"
Those ic pipes actually look very short, straight to where they need to go and back!
If longer pipes are better why is it they dont make them run around the engine bay a couple of times first?
Under full boost and full acceleration you wont notice it much but when it starts to become a problem is for example when you go to over take someone you give full gass, pull out see a car so back off, then gas again thats when you notice it!
Guys so you know i got pissed at bren because he edited a post i put on, Not one of my posts is bagging his product in anyway, the post in question i said basically for the hour work it takes to cut one hole it is well worth it, so dont be lazy and do it the right way... If i lived near you guys i would do if for free!! Oh and to those who think small battery's need trickle charge look again! some you can get are actually much better, last longer and stronger than the standard big ones, they just cost a little more ;)
anyway good luck and i didnt mean to step on any of your toes... Stamp maybe
Josh you still dont get it do you.
your missing the point, Bren sells intercoolers with better pipe routing this is desgned for people who dont want to chop holes in their car, hes not saying it the best pipe route :annoyed:
This is a product better than an uprated WMIC, and not as good as a "normal" routed FMIC to fill a gap in the market. not a replacement and superior product to Brens other FMIC's :rolleyes:
Josh you still dont get it do you.
This is a product better than an uprated WMIC, and not as good as a "normal" routed FMIC to fill a gap in the market. not a replacement and superior product to Brens other FMIC's :rolleyes:
maybe you should go read what i have posted already! i have never said what bren has made is not good!!! maybe you dont get it
Moby-Dick
07-09-2005, 08:55
Under full boost and full acceleration you wont notice it much but when it starts to become a problem is for example when you go to over take someone you give full gass, pull out see a car so back off, then gas again thats when you notice it!
Ther woudl be other factors to consider there as well ? ( ie dump valves ). I'm sure it would be an interesting test to try and run ( straight line at speed off boost , then apply WOt untill full boost is hit and reapply , by your theory , the longer pipework car will take longer to hit full boost again ? )
Josh,
Yes the extra pipework will promote lag but no I dont think the lag will be particularly noticable.
Yes it would be better to drill holes and feed the cooler outlet straight into the engine bay but thats not what people want to do, they dont want to drill holes in their car, sort smaller batteries etc. Those are the customers these kits were designed for. The kit is a compromise, lag will be increased (not that I think youll notice it) but they dont have to drill any holes.
blue boy
07-09-2005, 11:02
Can't understand some of the people here knocking this product. Like Bren said he is filling a whole in the market for an IC better than the wing mount but not as good as the front mount he sells that requires more 'fitting'.
At the end of the day Bren is here to provide a service and at the same time a good deal for SXOC members. Bottom line is the product is good otherwise he would not sell it.
For the record i am seriously thinking of getting one as the orignal FMIC was a bit too much for me and i was in the market for an uprated WMIC.
Nice one Bren :thumbs:
Josh,
Yes the extra pipework will promote lag but no I dont think the lag will be particularly noticable.
Yes it would be better to drill holes and feed the cooler outlet straight into the engine bay but thats not what people want to do, they dont want to drill holes in their car, sort smaller batteries etc. Those are the customers these kits were designed for. The kit is a compromise, lag will be increased (not that I think youll notice it) but they dont have to drill any holes.
Hey Bren as i posted in one of my earlier posts why not make a intercooler for this with inlet and outlet on the same side? little less pipework and would look a lot neater ;)
Because this kit has already been developed and manufactured ;)
Hey Bren as i posted in one of my earlier posts why not make a intercooler for this with inlet and outlet on the same side? little less pipework and would look a lot neater ;)
Big pressure drop and would probably limit power if it was twin pass.
These coolers are here now :)
Big pressure drop and would probably limit power if it was twin pass.
Yep, the Fiat coupes tried that and the results were shit :down:
Had it on for about a week now and is working very nicely. Intercooler and pipework all lined up spot on.
Turbo spools up extremely quickly and is far less laggy than standard.
The only problem I've had is my bren device has got stuck open a couple of times since I fitted the new intercooler but I'm going for an electronic boost controller anyway.
Far less leg eh? Well, my my, who'd have thought that then :thumbs:
So any more specifics on fitting, experiences, pictures etc, from those have have these fitted?
Sideways14a
21-12-2005, 11:40
So any more specifics on fitting, experiences, pictures etc, from those have have these fitted?
I fitted mine about 6 weeks ago, it was real easy no messing around at all.
Results, all this talk of lag is complete hot air as far as i can see, it seems to spool a fair bit quicker and pulls hard as you would expect from a FMIC. My old I/C wasnt the nicest looking thing but it didnt have any cracks or was leaking so i can only assume that this new kit performs better (in lag terms) than the standard one.
Getting one for the weekend hopefully :cool:
Ill try and do loads of photos while fitting if anyones interested - let you know how it goes etc. :)
ok i failed to get fitting photos... as it was cold/getting dark... BUT.. heres one of it fitted:
http://www.ultimatejapcars.co.uk/uploads/smiffad/fmic.jpg
Not sure if anyones fitted one to an s14 with a standard bumper... but i can imagine it might need a bit of chopping (my modded one fits just nicley over the top of the cooler).
kit was an absolute piece of piss to fit - all pipes lined up and were self explanitory enough :notworthy
Needs a bit of tweeking - coolers slightly pissed and a couple of the pipes touch the chassis and knock - but this is more to me hurrying to install it all than a problem with the kit :cool: - bit of fine tuning and perfection will be achived :nod:
Dunno about performance yet - as i still seem to have a boost problem somewhere round the turbo which has stuck me at standard boost :annoyed:
Summary:
Anyone who wants an IC upgrade, without the hassle of chopping chunks out of your car, buying/moving batterys and isnt on a quest for 400bhp+ - this is the answer :nod:
Richy_Boy
10-01-2006, 11:51
:thumbs:
must not buy.. must not buy... (repeat after me!)
Rich
We fitted one to an S14a without touching the bumper :) The only thing we had to do was slightly mod the back of the passenger foglight slightly. That it, nothing else :no:
Richy_Boy
10-01-2006, 11:57
Any sign of another group buy on these type II's Bren? I could do with one, but I can't justify ~£300 for it :cry: (ok, ok, I'm a tight arse!)
Rich
Theyre not going to be sub 300 quid, regardless of a GB :no:
Theyre not going to be sub 300 quid, regardless of a GB :no:
and if you do a group buy after ive just bought one ill kill myself - then haunt you :p
Richy_Boy
10-01-2006, 12:10
Ahh, they're £399! :wack: thought they were just over £300!
Anyone wanna buy my arse to pay for one? :D :cry:
Rich
Right, having now fixed all the problems with my car (holed ic, leaking oil seals, loose core, 3 cracks in manifold!) i can now give some feed back about the Type 2....
Nearly shit meself :D
Car comes on boost much sooner than she ever has and it hits hard - front of the car nearly leaves the ground :nod: :thumbs: :eek: :notworthy
teamcapsule
09-02-2006, 09:11
Bren, what's the size of the core?
480x230x80mm core size not counting end tanks.
teamcapsule
09-02-2006, 13:38
Thanks!
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