Stage 1 to Drift beast

[Wantone]

Hi guys, I'm looking at turning my car into a drift beast and was wondering what sort of parts/work would be involved :confused:
Could do with knowing the prices involved also :)

Parts/work+costs-

2 way diff
Gearbox recon
Decent seats/harnesses
weight reduction
engine rebuild+turbo (350-400bhp)
Lots of tires
New bushes all round
Body respray (with sponsers logo)
Roll cage

Would i need anything else?

Cheers
Look forward to the replys :thumbs:

[Matt_T]

you NEED none of that. it won't make a rats ass bit of difference for learning, just get the diff welded and start saving for getting whatever breaks first repaired:)

[antony]

a seat is good tho, keeps your ass in place, you dont need anything else, rebuild the engine when it blows up

[Matt_T]

oh yeah, good point. get a used seat from a rally place when its fia thing runs out cheap as chips innit

[SteveCarter200]

Depends if you are building a car to go drifting in or wether its a sort of 'Pro' car, if you know what I mean.

If its the former you dont even have to weld the diff if youve already got a stock VLSD. Yes, they arent a bit crap but they are still good enough to start with. If you can drift well with one then you'll be damn good when you get a welded or 2-way diff.:)

If you want a competant drift car and its not all about sponsers and body kits then get a seat, coilovers and welded/2 way diff.

What engine spec have you got now?

[Ben A]

oh yeah, good point. get a used seat from a rally place when its fia thing runs out cheap as chips innit

sounds like a plan :nod: . do you know of any places in particular to start looking? :thumbs: :)

[Wantone]

Cheers for the replys guys :thumbs:


Depends if you are building a car to go drifting in or wether its a sort of 'Pro' car, if you know what I mean.

If its the former you dont even have to weld the diff if youve already got a stock VLSD. Yes, they arent a bit crap but they are still good enough to start with. If you can drift well with one then you'll be damn good when you get a welded or 2-way diff.:)

If you want a competant drift car and its not all about sponsers and body kits then get a seat, coilovers and welded/2 way diff.

What engine spec have you got now?

The engine is standard at the moment with all stage 1 mods so putting out around 220bhp :)
The thing is i was telling my new boss about drifting and he seemed really taken by it then the next day he saw some on tv and told me to turn mine in to a drift car and he'd sponser me to do it as long as i have the companys logo on it :cool:
So it is gonna be a bit of a 'Pro' drift car :D I just need to learn to drift properly :wack: :rolleyes:

So what sort of cost would it be to turn it in to a 'Pro' drift car?
Under £20k i hope :indiff: Thats my limit :eek: :whip:

[SteveCarter200]

£20K?!?!?!:eek:

Fcuking hell man, just buy everything.

[Kieran_e1]

So what sort of cost would it be to turn it in to a 'Pro' drift car?
Under £20k i hope :indiff: Thats my limit :eek: :whip:

For 20 g's you could probably buy a fully sorted D1 car imported straight from the land of the rising sun!!

[Ben A]

So what sort of cost would it be to turn it in to a 'Pro' drift car?
Under £20k i hope :indiff: Thats my limit :eek: :whip:

falls off chair :eek: .


if i were you then i'd probably have a go / pratice in your car as it is then gradually build it up as you get better if you know the funds are there. you'd be gutted if you spent even £10k on mods and spanked it first time you tried drifting :wack: :) .

[jrtuning]

can i come and work at you place please

[Wantone]

Well i did laugh alot when he said that :wack: :smash: :smash:
I did say it would be alot cheaper but didn't know how much exactly :confused:
Dont really want to import a car :no: Even though my boss suggested it :rolleyes: Would rather just turn mine in to a pure drift slag then i know exactly what's been done to it :) If that makes sense.

Anybody know where i can go and practice around staffordshire :confused: Other than focus car park :wack:

[Wantone]

can i come and work at you place please

Depend's if you can teach C&R.....

[Kieran_e1]

Well i did laugh alot when he said that :wack: :smash: :smash:
I did say it would be alot cheaper but didn't know how much exactly :confused:
Dont really want to import a car :no: Even though my boss suggested it :rolleyes: Would rather just turn mine in to a pure drift slag then i know exactly what's been done to it :) If that makes sense.

Anybody know where i can go and practice around staffordshire :confused: Other than focus car park :wack:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4550769339&category=6396

now thats about 9k to your door approx!!

that gives 11k for new graphics , to keep the boss happy , and an engine rebuild!!! I think you could JUST do it for 20k lol!!


edit:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18238&item=4551120263&rd=1

something a bit more local too!!

[Wantone]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4550769339&category=6396

now thats about 9k to your door approx!!

that gives 11k for new graphics , to keep the boss happy , and an engine rebuild!!! I think you could JUST do it for 20k lol!!

Thats nice :cool:
But like i said before, would rather build it from scratch :nod:
Plus the steering wheel is on the wrong side :wack:

[SteveCarter200]

Depend's if you can teach C&R.....

I can learn.:nod:


What is it? :p

[Hashiriya]

As nomuken sadi in a dori ten video, all you need to drift are three things:

A healthy body
FR layout
LSD

now an lsd can be welded (in a very limited, i.e. no slip) or a proper mechanical one.

in my opinion. a "proper" drift car needs to start with a solid chassis... at the end of the day, most of what applies in motorsport will apply in drift.

so i would say start by welding your chassis, add a roll cage, I think the majority of D1GP people use cusco.

Then any sloppy suspension parts need adressing. according to a Tein rep that i talked to, the tension rods the the most important on a silvia based chassis. As you seem to have a large budget, i would change the lot for nice stuff. In terms of springs and dampers, you need to play with it yourself and see what works for you. If you wanna buy somethign that will pretty much work straight out of the box, Tein HE/drift masters or the Kei office equivalent are bound to work.

After that lot, adding a seat steering wheel that suits you. Need to be comfortable whilst driving and be able to move freely.

With all of the above in place, it is about adding power.... now power in drift is a luxury and not a necessity. So add as much as you can without breaking your budget or you abilities to drive the car. start with little power and add it as you go. if you start with silly power from the beginning, you'll not learn the precise accelerator pedal control and will hinder you in the future.

I would say that covers everything and there you have spent well over 20k, so pick and choose what you want and to what degree you want to do things....

My current priorities are:

* LSD
* Tighten the suspension arms.
* Get something to protect the oil sump. sr20 motors have a common problem of blocking the oil intake in the sump with a knock to the sump so a stronger one/guard is recommended for when you hit a curb on a circuit.


But as i'm a tart, i'm getting my current body damage fixed first. So my opinions probably aren't worth listening to. and you would probably get a bunch of people disagreing with me anyways

[Wantone]

As nomuken sadi in a dori ten video, all you need to drift are three things:

A healthy body
FR layout
LSD

now an lsd can be welded (in a very limited, i.e. no slip) or a proper mechanical one.

in my opinion. a "proper" drift car needs to start with a solid chassis... at the end of the day, most of what applies in motorsport will apply in drift.

so i would say start by welding your chassis, add a roll cage, I think the majority of D1GP people use cusco.

Then any sloppy suspension parts need adressing. according to a Tein rep that i talked to, the tension rods the the most important on a silvia based chassis. As you seem to have a large budget, i would change the lot for nice stuff. In terms of springs and dampers, you need to play with it yourself and see what works for you. If you wanna buy somethign that will pretty much work straight out of the box, Tein HE/drift masters or the Kei office equivalent are bound to work.

After that lot, adding a seat steering wheel that suits you. Need to be comfortable whilst driving and be able to move freely.

With all of the above in place, it is about adding power.... now power in drift is a luxury and not a necessity. So add as much as you can without breaking your budget or you abilities to drive the car. start with little power and add it as you go. if you start with silly power from the beginning, you'll not learn the precise accelerator pedal control and will hinder you in the future.

I would say that covers everything and there you have spent well over 20k, so pick and choose what you want and to what degree you want to do things....

My current priorities are:

* LSD
* Tighten the suspension arms.
* Get something to protect the oil sump. sr20 motors have a common problem of blocking the oil intake in the sump with a knock to the sump so a stronger one/guard is recommended for when you hit a curb on a circuit.


But as i'm a tart, i'm getting my current body damage fixed first. So my opinions probably aren't worth listening to. and you would probably get a bunch of people disagreing with me anyways

Thats some good advice, Cheers :thumbs:

[Wantone]

I can learn.:nod:


What is it? :p

Control and restraint :) As used in the care industry, police, doorstaff, etc....
Its a £5k course though :eek:

[OreoVsTheDead]

£20K budget!! mines £3.5K but i'm not sponsored, or rich for that matter. still should be fun.

[Wantone]

I haven't really got a budget to be honest, my boss just said as long as it costs under £20k then we can look at building one :)

[_cj_]

I haven't really got a budget to be honest, my boss just said as long as it costs under £20k then we can look at building one :)

edit: sorry stupid post
;)
Regards,

alex

[Yes]

I want your boss! No, not in a sinfull way, that is. :D
Anyway, this is what I would do:

* Start with the body. Remove ALL rust and weld in some fresh metal. Rust really destroys torsional rigidity so it´s important that all bearing parts are in good shape. Then strengthen all welds. Since the body is old the metal will be fatigued so you want to strengthen it also, plus it takes alot of stress when drifting or driving hard which might make the old welds crack.

Get a rollcage welded in. Here you should look at what regulations the car must follow. The best is to have the rollcage attached to the body like in real racecars, with sort of "metal brackets" between the cage and body. If that´s not allowed, just go for a tight fit. And don´t forget to secure the cage in the strut towers, both front and back. This adds both to safety and rigidity.

While your working on the body, strip it from all unecessary weight, and paint the interior and engine bay white(helps alot in spotting cracks and other damages in the body).

* Put some work down on the chassis. I think you should start with getting the subframes sandblasted and powder coated. This is cheap, makes it look nice and gives you a good know of it´s condition.
Learn about the suspension geometry and make all the necessary adjustments. This is probably the hardest part to get right, but it can make a world of difference. I don´t know enough about this stuff yet, so I can´t give you any good advice, but one thing that I would do is buying the suspension arms from http://www.battleversion.com/ and consult Alex Pfeiffer. He´s a drifter, very serviceminded and helpfull.
Don´t do like many people do and get the most kick-ass extremly expensive coil overs. They sure are nice but most people can´t set them up properly anyway, and then it´s kinda wasted money. It takes alot of testing and know-how to make a good setting. You get best results by really knowing how to set up the things you got.

* Get a brake system that you easily can balance yourself, like with a brake balance valve or something. The right balance should help alot when drifting.
Ditch the ABS. If you spin out of control you want to able to lock you wheels.
With you budget I would go for AP Racing or Stop Tech brakes.

* Go for good drivabillity in the engine. Build a dry sump.

* Get a good LSD.

* Give something back to your boss by making the car look great.

And the rest of the money you can give to me. :D

[Kiruji]

You jammy git! :D

You'll still bring it to the Telford meet, won't you? :wack:

[LDA]

up to 20k?
ffs..
our drift car was free. our old shell rotted away before our eyes and someone gave us a 43k minter of an auto. swapped the box over and its more or less done.

got stage one chip, hybrid t25, fmic, clutch, filter, exhaust and fuel pump. thats about it on the power front.
VERY stripped out. even took the time to pull out the unused wires in the loom after removing things like abs, diff oil cooler and air con etc.
mig spec 100% 3 way locked diff.
nice grippy tyres on the front on 17" wide wims and some stock alloys on the rear with any old crap rubber on them.
the brakes are just uprated pads and discs. nothing special.

the only really good part of our car is the suspension. we got the coilovers from apex and they are really good bits of kit. got it all setup at the weekend and its working fine now.

inside we have a bucket seat and harness and the roll cage is going in soon. (when funds come) the steering wheel is a suede so that the racing gloves stick to it.
some pedal extentions for heal toe.
quick shift for faster gear changes
few guages for boost, oil etc

we'd be lucky if the car had more than 230bhp but its quite fast as is and good enough for drifting. much more power as a noob and you will get into the habit of power over.


i think get a basic setup like ours and then spend a lot of the budget getting yourself to drift days to learn how to use the car. you dont need a 20k drift car right now. and a bit of a shi**er to learn in will teach you a lot.

total cost of our car this year so far? deffo loess than a grand. but we did all the work and we had the uprated parts from the old rusty shell too. so for 2.5k you could have a drift spec s13.

you have nearly 10 times that budget! if i were you, i'd stick in an sr20det lump. remove the source of the problems beofre they start.

L.

[Butuz]

One question? Whats the point of having a pro drift car, if you cant drift?

Secondly, i am willing to wager (though i know sod all about drifting) that the harder your car is to drift when you learn to drift, the better you will become at drifting.

Thirdly, whatever money you get for free, consider it a precious gift, not a tiocket to go spend 99% of it on a crazy engine and ignore the rest. Engine is one part of many on a track car. It all needs to be in balance to be good.

I would spend 50% of the money on the car, and the other 50% of consumables such as wheels, tyres, brake pads, track entry fees, beer money for Phil to tutor you as often as possible, or and a jeep with a car trailor to take you to and from track :) That is what i would do, but then that isnt going to happen to me as i cant see a school sponsering a drift car somehow :p

Just IMHO of course, feel free to shoot me down :smash:

Butuz

[Yes]

Secondly, i am willing to wager (though i know sod all about drifting) that the harder your car is to drift when you learn to drift, the better you will become at drifting.

Very true. He should get a front wheel drive car with a bad e-brake. :D

[PhilMorrison]

Damn 20k?? :wack: hows about he gives you £10k for the car and £10k for me to teach you to drift?? :D or does he just want to sponsor me? :p :wack: :D

[docwra]

Drifting a 200 on standard suspension is like trying to run away from a lion while attached to a bunjee rope - you think you have got away with it then POW! it snaps back and bites you on the arse :cry:

Id look at the very least doing the springs ........ :nod:

[Wantone]

Guys, nothings happening just yet... I want to learn how to drift my car as it is first before we start throwing money at it :) My car is at stage 1 220~bhp, i've got a set of bren's coilovers and i'm in the process of getting some seats. Just need to get a few partworn's and practice till i'm blue in the face :nod: Or untill my engine/turbo gives up :indiff: :rolleyes:

[Wantone]

or does he just want to sponsor me? :p :wack: :D

If i'm pants at drifting then that could be an option ;)