need help in my technique from drift GODS

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

i was trying to drift my s13 stage 2/3 its got a bit of bhp behind it bout 270- 290 :D estimated. i used the power over technique to drift in my unmodified s13. so i thought i would try a different technique on my modified one by using the handbrake but that wasnt getting me a lot of side action i got some sidage :nod: but then it spun out :annoyed: when i was bout to exit the drift.

so can the drift kings of sxoc land help, i think i might need more power to help keep the drift going (is that a good diagnostic :ghey:)

[SteveCarter200]

Could be loads of things but probably not lack of power if youve got 280ish bhp.

More likely too long on the handbrake, giving it too much welly or not getting the counter steer right.

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

yeah but i dont come in verry fast cos im still a little bit of a beginner. i think ure right bout the counter steer :notworthy :notworthy cos i recall me not counter steering into the drift before the exit. i think ill go and try my power over technique next 2nite on my private round about :rolleyes: :D . i will crack it if not im gettin a ff :nod:

cheers m8 i knew the drift gods would answer my questions. :thumbs: :clap:

[JohnnyB]

Actually there are many ways to drift. One is the powerover as you have mentioned previously. A second one is by using the handbrake. Using the handbrake to alter the cars initial entrance position is crusual. It depends from the speed you approach the corner and for how long (time not distance) you pull the handbrake. The handbrake is good to use it instantly and then let it go (liftoff) then use the throttle to adjust the car stability countersteering a bit (not too much) to let the car have the tail out. If you countersteer too much in the beginning of the drift the result will be a drifty entrance but almost simultaneously the car will lose the weight transition so it will return in too normal position or if the countersteer will be more than expected then you will probably produce a kind of flick and you will lose traction and probably will crash somewhere. The powerover and the handbrake turn can be used in low speed entrances/tries.
A good practice is to find a empty space (parking etc) without objects and try to learn the behavior of the car by pulling the handbrake to produce 90deg and 180beg turns then stop. After that you can try it at road (better friction).
For faster drifting a really good way to drift is to use the brake. Thats what I do most of the times. While approaching the corner and at the time that you start turning the steering wheel at the same time step on the brake (jently, like stepping on an egg) this will produce a weight transition and the tail of the car will start slide, afterwards you start countersteering and after you manage to control the cars stability you use the throttle to asjust/keep the drift.

Well, there are too many ways for drift. Practice those and then we will talk about the rest.

A good reference for drifting is the Drift Bible DVD rom by Keichi Tsuchiya (not sure if the first name is right spelled). Go and get it.

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

ohh imm at step one allready that was what i got before i started drifting ive got the limited addition dvd tsuchiyas :D drift bible the prob is i need to find the descent space to practise. watched it so many times even practrised the foot movements on the carpet and pedal and steering wheel :nod:

thanks gods of drifting i will try your suggestion once again thank you for your input :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :thumbs:

when i get better maybe you will see me at one of the drifting events or winning D1 :wack: :nod:

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

ill try and post a vid of me tryin the handbrake one where i spin out. :wack: its from a video phone so it might be fuzzy. it will be up by tonight hopefully :nod:

[JohnnyB]

Try to avoid being confused by the foot techniques and do it by the simple way.

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

cheers heeded ur expert advice did everything that was suggested to me last nite the drift came out better than before :notworthy . gave it more power when coming out of the drift and better counter steering it turned out ok. maybe i might win d1 verry soon if my practise allways turns out this good. :D :thumbs: :nod:

just cos i said that doest mean next time i ask for advise you give bad one :ghey: . just kidding i will be back for more advise :nod:

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

thanks stevecarter and johnny b :thumbs:

[Hashiriya]

i have found that sometimes it's easier to give more power and counter. I've only started learning myself but at a similar stage to you flex.

I have found that giveing the clutch a good beating once in a while keeps drift angles nice and big :)

[JohnnyB]

I have found that giveing the clutch a good beating once in a while keeps drift angles nice and big :)

Not good... for you clutch and your budget though... Try Lift-off but and weight transition to get bigger angles to avoid beating the clutch.

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

i dont beat the clutch much i hardly used it whilst driving only to change gears :wack:.

ooohhh of the topic but i never knew they did drifting days or practise at bovingdon or i would have come its kinda close. i read the thread bout all the complaints so they are tryin to sort sometin i hope it goes well :thumbs: :nod:

[doublem]

you need to keep things simple and give yourself less work to do. the clutch kick technique is pretty much the easiest way to get the back end out quickly. too many people are quoting the "dirft bible" and taking it as style drift, it not its kansai (race) type drift and you need speed to get it going. KT himself admits that DB is very dated.

to begin with you should be clutch kicking to initiate drifts - the back will step out quickly, dont try to steer, let the wheel go and it will turn itself. (practice this in a safe enviroment at first to get used to it) the main downfall for people learning to drift this way is going too slow, you need a reasonable ammount of "pace" but you dont need to be going fast at first. throttle imputs should be SMOOTH after the initial clutch kick. the kick itself should be short, like bang, one touch for a split second. a lot of people hold the clutch in. rev up and dump it - then wonder why they spin... if you punch the clutch quickly as your coming into boost it will slide out quickly but smoothly. then its all throttle control. if the car bogs you can punch the clutch again - you can vary the ammount of clutch in the kick, it doesnt need to be full on each time, sometimes you just need a slight ammount of slip, so a gentle tap will do on the pedal.

the trick is, smoothness and fast reactions. have fun.

m

edit to say - another useful tip if you spin is to use the handbrake whilst travelling backwards to help you slow down faster - remember to clutch in tho...

[SL1D3Y]

Good tip for you there maz! :P

I have been using the clutch kick as im still learning, find it initiates the drift well, may have to try the brakes soon thou.

A lot of it depends where you are to how you intiate the drift - sometimes its not possible to use a specific type - i will be tryin to learn as many as possible :D

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

that was verry insitefull bit of info there "masaya" :thumbs: . when i practise controll drifting round objects and island i use the clutch kick to inniciate the drift i would have thought using that would mean u wouldnt be able to take the car lets say round a roundabout fully. :wack:

so ur telling me that if come into a round about at 40 then clutch kicked it that would be easier for me to dori it ill give it a try at a lower speed :ghey: of course then ill get back to you on the progress cheers m8 for ur input verry interesting and iformative. :thumbs: :D

[doublem]

start out trying on very small roundabout in first gear. try it at 40mph and you WILL hit something hard... when you've got the nack of 1st gear you can "gently" try second gear at like 20mph. build it up. you go that fast and you'll make a mess.

[Rob-S13]

For faster drifting a really good way to drift is to use the brake. Thats what I do most of the times. While approaching the corner and at the time that you start turning the steering wheel at the same time step on the brake (jently, like stepping on an egg) this will produce a weight transition and the tail of the car will start slide, afterwards you start countersteering and after you manage to control the cars stability you use the throttle to asjust/keep the drift.

Well, there are too many ways for drift. Practice those and then we will talk about the rest.

A good reference for drifting is the Drift Bible DVD rom by Keichi Tsuchiya (not sure if the first name is right spelled). Go and get it.

If you watch the drift bible the brake is used a lot. the brake light is on the front of the car so you can see when the brake is been used

[doublem]

If you watch the drift bible the brake is used a lot. the brake light is on the front of the car so you can see when the brake is been used

in a car that has over 300bhp, bigger brakes, full suspension set up, kei office coilovers and nismo lsd :rolleyes:

[Rob-S13]

so a ae86 has 130bhp, small brakes crap suspension and a half decent standard diff!!

its not about the car, its the driver.

[JohnnyB]

so a ae86 has 130bhp, small brakes crap suspension and a half decent standard diff!!

its not about the car, its the driver.


Respect!!! :notworthy :notworthy

[doublem]

so a ae86 has 130bhp, small brakes crap suspension and a half decent standard diff!!

its not about the car, its the driver.

the AE86 isnt standard either, but. KT is also one of the best RACING drivers in japan. hes not a drifter as such although he pioneered the sport. anyway, take my advise or not, but dont complain WHEN you crash :) :wave:

[Rob-S13]

the AE86 isnt standard either, but. KT is also one of the best RACING drivers in japan. hes not a drifter as such although he pioneered the sport. anyway, take my advise or not, but dont complain WHEN you crash :) :wave:

mate, it'm not talking about THE AE86, i'm talking about MOST AE86's,

technique can be applied whilst driving any RWD car.

The speed at which you do it is determind by the size of your balls.http://www.lush107.com/forum/punchballs.gif

Better kit just makes the job easier

And why am i going to crash by using the brakes to initiate a drift? :wack:

[doublem]

And why am i going to crash by using the brakes to initiate a drift? :wack:

because your entry speed needs to be too high for the corner to initiate the drift using the brakes. unless you mid corner speed is too low and your straightening up halfway...

AE86 comes with 1.5 way diff standard... S13/14 come with open or VLSD, thats one nil to toyota btw...

[Rob-S13]

why would i crash, air fields don't tend to have walls.

[Matt_S]

because your entry speed needs to be too high for the corner to initiate the drift using the brakes. unless you mid corner speed is too low and your straightening up halfway...



bollocks

[Matt_S]

start out trying on very small roundabout in first gear. try it at 40mph and you WILL hit something hard... when you've got the nack of 1st gear you can "gently" try second gear at like 20mph. build it up. you go that fast and you'll make a mess.


1st gear is a joke. Its easier to recover in a 2nd gear drift, you have to have more space for sure, but you have more time aswell. 1st gear is for doughnuts :ghey:

[Rob-S13]

bollocks

Glad someone else agree's with me

[Matt_S]

Glad someone else agree's with me


Its not just that - WHAT THE FCUK IS A BRAKE DRIFT when its at home, if its not a drift initiated by applying the brakes :wack:, or lift off oversteer - again the same, but with out the brakes...

[JohnnyB]

For the new guys in here thats how the car reacts applying Liftoff technique.

Drift squad (http://www.intered-agr.gr/drift.wmv)

[flexyg 1.8sx T]

that a wicked drift. :notworthy :smitten: