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hi all :wave:
i just purchased a s14 and had a go at drifting last night it went pretty well :nod: but i didn't go too mad.
The car is bog standard at the moment can anyone make any suggestions as to what my first mods should be? air filter, exhaust, and dv are on order but just wanted to know what to do handling wise without spending a fortune.
Thanks
And remember the way forward is sideways! :)
forget about the filter, exhaust and DV. cancel the order and buy a diff instead. then you're set for life :nod:
SteveDunn
21-02-2005, 20:40
Agreed. If I could start again I'd buy a mechanical diff and some decent suspension first. Oh, and a bucket seat :nod:
1. Mechanical Diff (1.5/2way)
2. Coilovers
3. Bucket Seat
4. Spare Clean underwear :wack:
s14a Ben
21-02-2005, 21:14
how much do diffs go for these days?
5. get ready for a prang :thumbs:
Bout Ģ600+ for a brand new 1
s14a Ben
21-02-2005, 21:30
my god lol. where can i find a second hand one? (cheap skate) lol
not really such a thing in the uk, you might get lucky if you find someone whos imported a car with one but is too much of a pussy to live with the clunks though:)
s14a Ben
21-02-2005, 21:52
hmmm anyone on here who dont like the clunks?
ill take it off your hands and you can have mine :D
Oi, im first inline for the castoffs from the Anti-clunk brigade :wack:
s14a Ben
21-02-2005, 22:09
hahaha damn.
hmmm interesting
please excuse my poor knowledge of this area but whats the difference between a 1.5 and 2 way diff? and also whats the clonking noise?
Thanks
FonzieS13
21-02-2005, 23:05
hmmm interesting
please excuse my poor knowledge of this area but whats the difference between a 1.5 and 2 way diff? and also whats the clonking noise?
Thanks
Havenīt the slightest ideia.. but I would also like to know.
My S13 also needs a dif.. I started with the intake and suspension, but should have gone for the dif rigth away.
PhilMorrison
22-02-2005, 09:31
1 way no lock on deceleration
1.5 way some lock on deceleration
2 way pretty much the same amount of lock on deceleration as on acceleration.
The clunking is at low speed with alot of steering lock, it is the plates in the diff having to move large amounts in one go, as the difference in inner and outer wheel speed is increased during this manouvre this way, it's no big deal, but can freak newbies out.. An easy way to never hear it again is to replace all 3 point turns with dirty half donuts :wack:
If you don't like the clunks you can always get an uprated viscous unit, which is probably what I'll do . Tempted to go 400%-500% uprated so it's still usable on road, and pretty good as drift diff (just not as good as a mechanical).
excellent stuff cheers
time to start counting my penny's!
FonzieS13
22-02-2005, 11:27
1 way no lock on deceleration
1.5 way some lock on deceleration
2 way pretty much the same amount of lock on deceleration as on acceleration.
The clunking is at low speed with alot of steering lock, it is the plates in the diff having to move large amounts in one go, as the difference in inner and outer wheel speed is increased during this manouvre this way, it's no big deal, but can freak newbies out.. An easy way to never hear it again is to replace all 3 point turns with dirty half donuts :wack:
:clap:
So whatīs best for drifting? 1 way?
1.5 or 2way really
It all depends on your personal Prefrenece as to what you feel 'best' with.
Si
IMO suspension first
its easy to forget just how wallowy the SX is in standard trim...
http://www.stuartb.dsl.pipex.com/roll2.jpg
FonzieS13
22-02-2005, 12:32
1.5 or 2way really
It all depends on your personal Prefrenece as to what you feel 'best' with.
Si
hmmm.. got to loose sometime thinking about that. :sleep:
its easy to forget just how wallowy the SX is in standard trim...
LOL.. thatīs a nice pic. I remember the S13 before receiving the TEIN springs.. I almost had a near accident with a lamp post or a tree. :annoyed: And I wasnīt trying to drift.. only trying to get home! :down:
:nod:
a 1, 1.5 or 2 way LSD is still going to help next to naff all when 2 wheels are off the ground ;)
What real world difference would having a 1.5 or 2 way diff make?
Which is considered the best to have for drifting with still a bit of road use?
FonzieS13
22-02-2005, 13:58
What real world difference would having a 1.5 or 2 way diff make?
Which is considered the best to have for drifting with still a bit of road use?
Yeah.. Iīm also interested. Like if you have 2way when you downshift do the wheels lock up?
TBH with my 2 way diff I've found its made very little real world difference, apart from the clunks and occasional jerk if I lift off on corners. The wheels don't lock up when you downshift with the revs matched etc.
PhilMorrison
22-02-2005, 15:56
1.5 would be the best choice if it's primerily a road car.. I've had both 1.5 and 2way on my car and the only time you notice is when it's really wet or icey..
FonzieS13
22-02-2005, 16:55
1.5 would be the best choice if it's primerily a road car.. I've had both 1.5 and 2way on my car and the only time you notice is when it's really wet or icey..
Iīll go 1.5 then.. Thanks for the info :notworthy
Cheers
cossykiller
22-02-2005, 18:34
'diff' is 'deff' the way to go.
i had a nasty old mk2 escort years ago real rotter it was a 1.6 and went ok.
the diff went bang one day so we fitted another....and another..........and 3 MORE untill we decided enough was enough and welded it soild!
now drifting was a piece of piddle even with about 70bhp.
now you woudnt have stood a single eye-o-ta of a drift with a normal diff but boy was it hard to drive, it went straight on at sharp corners, screeched like the hand brake was still on when you were parking on full lock and EATE TYRES LIKE 2 rears in 1500 miles but no matter how much abuse we gave it, it never broke again. agreed its not ideal but the moral of this little story is DO THE DIFF FIRST!
whats the point of 200bhp and no real way of putting it into controlled corners?
the diff will make a siht driver good and a better driver EVEN BETTER.
in my opion anyway.
1.5 would be the best choice if it's primerily a road car.. I've had both 1.5 and 2way on my car and the only time you notice is when it's really wet or icey..
So what was the difference? Did the 2 way lock up that bit quicker?
Who would want a 2 way opposed to a 1/1.5?
PhilMorrison
22-02-2005, 19:28
depends on your drift style, I like 2 way, as off throttle it's like pulling the handbrake a little..
FonzieS13
22-02-2005, 21:30
depends on your drift style, I like 2 way, as off throttle it's like pulling the handbrake a little..
LOL, sounds dangerous :eek: think I will really go for the 1.5!
whats the point of 200bhp and no real way of putting it into controlled corners?
the diff will make a siht driver good and a better driver EVEN BETTER.
True that :thumbs:
whats the point of 200bhp and no real way of putting it into controlled corners?
the diff will make a siht driver good and a better driver EVEN BETTER.
I'd rather get good in a [relatively] standard car, than uprate the car to cope with my lack of skill, but that's just me :)
david_connoll
24-02-2005, 17:36
would a 2 way be better for shift locking?
I'd rather get good in a [relatively] standard car, than uprate the car to cope with my lack of skill, but that's just me :)
Ahh excuses excuses Alex :)
At the end of the day, you just get used to your car. If you then put a diff on, you'll have to readjust your driving style anyway, so just do it and get used to it earlier! Thats the way I looked at it anyway ;)
FonzieS13
24-02-2005, 18:48
Ahh excuses excuses Alex :)
At the end of the day, you just get used to your car. If you then put a diff on, you'll have to readjust your driving style anyway, so just do it and get used to it earlier! Thats the way I looked at it anyway ;)
I bet you have to do a lot less clutch work when you got LSD :D
Should have made that a priority on mine S13, see if this summer we can arrange that :ghey:
dodgydave
03-03-2005, 16:22
cool, where best place to buy a 1.5 diff?
seth: i had to stare at your avatar to make sure i did see it blink
Sounds like we need a group buy :nod: :nod: :nod:
seth: i had to stare at your avatar to make sure i did see it blinkIt blinks every 8 seconds........... or does it ;)
dodgydave
03-03-2005, 20:28
lol, how many would be keen on a group buy?
i raise my had for a 1.5
FonzieS13
03-03-2005, 22:27
seth: i had to stare at your avatar to make sure i did see it blink
LOL it does blink! I hadnīt noticed that. :eek:
It seems I can get hold of a S14 LSD.. real cheap.. maybe Iīll go for that solution.
What u guys think? :confused:
dodgydave
03-03-2005, 22:30
its freaking me out your avatar, as it always win the stare out competition :)
It's starting to freak me out now.
I think it's watching me!!
Final Stage are the bollox when it comes to suppying diffs. real cheap and they know what they're on about with them too:)
an S14 diff is a temporary measure really. if you currently have an open diff then its an upgrade, but isn't even close to a clutch diff in performance. In fact, welding the diff is a much better idea than a VLSD :nod:
unless you need to drive it daily and cant afford tyres every week ;)
I drive mine daily with a cusco MZ and can make road tyres last 2 months.
yeah, I was on about with a welded diff. :)
thats not much different. I don;t understand the attitude to welded diffs people have. sure its noisy, jerky and uncomfortable, but so are coilovers and everyone laps them up :confused:
Final Stage are the bollox when it comes to suppying diffs. real cheap and they know what they're on about with them too:)
Hi Matt, do you have a URL for Final Stage?
Where did you get your diff from?
my problem is tyre wear. I cant afford Ģ100/month on new rubber...yet... :)
part worns are your friend ;)
talk to alex or glen on driftworks, not sure if they have a website yet. thats who I got my diff from though.
I can get 16" part worns fine... im struggling to find a decent supply of matched 17" 225-235 35-45 profile tyres tho :D
I can get 16" part worns fine... im struggling to find a decent supply of matched 17" 225-235 35-45 profile tyres tho :D
This is why my new wheels are 16". :D
And people wonder why I don't want a locked diff! I'm running 18's and refuse to put crap tyres on :)
Reckon an upgraded VLSD is my only real option ...
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