View Full Version : Silverstone vs Birmingham Wheels pt2
nattcharles
19-07-2004, 18:16
Firstly I can't believe you blocked my thread. I thought forums were places where people could air their views and oppinions. I don't see the problem with the qustion I asked and I'm sure a lot of people would have valid answers which I'm genuinely interested in as I think others would be. If the thread turned into a slanging match then I could understand why you would block it but you haven't even given it a chance.
I read the individual threads regarding both events as you suggested Phil and feel it would be difficult to form my own oppinion as neither threads actually give me the information I'm after. Which is 'if you went to both events which one did you think was better?' All the posts in each thread relate to the individual events and both were given praise which I can conclude that both events were good but I would still like to know which one was better in the eyes of other people that attended both.
I'm particularly interested in your opinion Phil as you state in a previous post with reference to an event possibly being run at Birmingham Wheels and Ken Nomura attending:
'Absolute bollocks, why the f*ck would they do it at Birmingham wheels lol Myself James and Paz pushed that track as far as you can go, Ken would f*cking laugh his ass right out the country and never come back lol'
I actually agree with your oppinion as I think an event like the one at Birmingham Wheels is detremental to the whole drift scene in the UK. It may have been a good fun event on the surface but for drifting to be taken as a serious competitve motorsport in the UK it needs to be professionally organised and run which is something that the OPT Drift club does very well.
It seems to me that the organisers of the Birmingham Wheels event are just trying to jump on the band wagon from all the hard work that the OPT Drift club have put in over the last few years trying to create a great motorsport event. The likes of Ken Nomura should really have attended Silverstone to see how it's done properly so he would'nt 'f*cking laugh his ass right out the country and never come back lol' as you stated. If you would like I can pm you my telephone number and we could discuss it?
PulsatingStar
19-07-2004, 18:36
This will probably be closed, but I might get a reply in first.
It was done properly at Wheels, and the Battle Style totally made the event. As for the track, it might be small but everyone driving seemed to be able to compete pretty easily unlike Silverstone which is becoming regarded as just a big power layout. Silverstone by comparison was boring, but it does give the not so confident people like me a chance to drive which I did at Silverstone but not Wheels. Also seeing all 8 cars drifting at the same time at wheels was totally awesome and just doesnt happen at Silverstone with all regulations imposed.
As for what I think was better, then it would be Birmingham Wheels but I feel that was more of a one off event unlike D1 at Silverstone which happens for a few rounds a year. Wheels probably wont be the same as the one thats just happened.
Lee
WillG180
19-07-2004, 18:53
IMO phil did the best thing to close the thread it is to likely to be a slagging match. I pray that wheels wasn't a one off it just had the excitment off the battle to say the least, and although it hasn't got the appeal of silverstone to many, and its not going to be in the best interests of some (walls) I think people have to see the two events taking place. I for one couldnt put wheels into words :wack: :thumbs:
I love driving, I truly need to drift more than anthing else at the moment and have wanted to involved in motorsport for as long as I can remember. Get there and experience it for youselves you will have all the info you need. :thumbs:
sidewaysrob
19-07-2004, 18:57
Without going to 'wheels' my opinion doesn't count for much. but I'm going to give it anyway.
The best way to judge how good an event is, is to speak to the drivers. If the drivers are loving it, then spectators will follow.
I didn't go to wheels cause I was far to sceptical about the whole thing (shame on me :wack: )
Opt are doing a great job, but I now know from experience that my MR2 is going to struggle to do much better as is round Silverstone. And what really lets Silverstone down is the judging. It's way to inconsistent!
I actually agree with your oppinion as I think an event like the one at Birmingham Wheels is detremental to the whole drift scene in the UK. It may have been a good fun event on the surface but for drifting to be taken as a serious competitve motorsport in the UK it needs to be professionally organised and run which is something that the OPT Drift club does very well.
It seems to me that the organisers of the Birmingham Wheels event are just trying to jump on the band wagon from all the hard work that the OPT Drift club have put in over the last few years trying to create a great motorsport event.
After being at the event yesterday it was a hell of an event and will be a landmark point for UK drift!! Option video anyone? ;)
Silverstone is fun, but wheels was raw!!
WillG180
19-07-2004, 19:01
:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
Not been to wheels either - but I can tell you some things that swing me in its favour having been to silverstone.
1) Its un-restricted drifting with twin drift and antics which is what I love and we all go out and by the videos for. I don't like the restrictions silverstone has.
2) It had a D1 driver there ! Ken and his red knickers :) So well done to whomever for organising that.
3) Its a small drift circuit the 86's were pants at silverstone apart from the crazy yellow one which was running 180ps ? it is a power circuit rather than a drift circuit.
3) Its not up to OPT or ANY single organisation out there to run UK drifting as a whole and why should it be ? The scene will be fragmented and there will be various events you can go to. In my opinion thats a good thing as it promotes competition and means we as punters get the best deal !
I think thats silly there is no reason why OPT is the only solution to drifting. Cath is going to be doing things at crail, will that be detremental ? I don't see anyone tootling up to scotland to promote it there ? Neither do I see people coming to Liverpool so I can have a drifting scene ! Wheels and OPT are great but I would still love to see venues ALL OVER Britain
Sorry if its got drifting in it then its fine by me. Anyone who tries to get more exposure be it opt, driftbob, my nan its all good !
I also couldn't make the Wheels event and wish I had, I was simply knackered.
However I really don't think this should be a some place versus another. Both events sound like they were superb and both had their pros and cons.
What really needs to happen is both events and more in the future need to work together to bring the drivers, spectators and guests in their masses.
If Birmingham is being dismissed as dangerous, then heck 1/2 of the F1 tracks in the season would be cancelled. There will always be risk, some take it, some don't. Motorsport is those who take risks within their skill limits, the better skilled the drivers, the further they go. This does contract the level the sport it at, I just couldn't afford to risk my car being damaged when I have no other means of getting to work... Yet :D
3) Its not up to OPT or ANY single organisation out there to run UK drifting as a whole and why should it be ? The scene will be fragmented and there will be various events you can go to. In my opinion thats a good thing as it promotes competition and means we as punters get the best deal !
But it's important that all the organisers work together to promote drifting with a common image and the same rules/attitude etc. For instance there are many rally events but they all have important core values and brands, but this doesn't stop many different types of events being held.
Yeah I'd love that too but in the real world we know all that walks and money talks m8 :) I just can't see the various organisers being willing.
Even tho they would PROBABLY make more money if they did !
PhilMorrison
19-07-2004, 19:28
Normally I would just delete this post and give you a warning, as the previous thread was closed with a very polite and valid explantion.. There are ways to ask questions without pissing off moderators, The PM button would have done fine.. But as you are particulally interested in my opinion and you have pissed me off with your attitude here you go:
I will not comment on whether Silverstone is better than Wheels or vice verser, as that is just my opinion and I won't sway peoples decissions to go to one or the other. The reason why?: as a moderator of one of the biggest U.K. Drift Forum, people might just take my word for it, when really they should experience both for themselves, and form their own opinion..
Wheels
Terry is the 1st to admit he did things wrong, there was no way anyone was going to believe that Ken Nomura was turning up to Birmingham wheels, off the back of a badly put together website, with all it's information copied from various other websites. I kept people up to date with 'MY' opinion of what I thought was going to happen, which after meeting Terry was very much more positive.. I put my hands up, I was wrong, there were valid reasons for the outburst that you have sarcastically quoted, but I was wrong, and have made this clear to Terry..
The track was just as shit and dangerous as I described it, I tore up more tyres than I have at any other event in the past, but we didn't give a shit, the atmosphere and skill level more than made up for it.. Using the oval meant that spectators and judges were right next to the action, this IS how events are run in Japan, and you saying that an event like this is detremental to thet U.K. scene after reading all the positive comments in the other thread is quite confusing..
You are entitled to your opinion, but in future, please respect the decissions of moderators, we have been here alot longer than you with your 15 posts, and we dont close threads just for the sake of it. If in the future you have any queries, hit the PM button before going of on one..
Phil
PazzaAE86
19-07-2004, 20:08
It seems to me that the organisers of the Birmingham Wheels event are just trying to jump on the band wagon from all the hard work that the OPT Drift club have put in over the last few years trying to create a great motorsport event.
Yeaaahh... Its True. OPT Drift Club has been organising drift events way longer than the Sun-Pros group of Japan and its D1 Corp. :rolleyes: ;)
My view: I prefered Wheels. It suited me better, i was surrounded by my friends and we had a great laugh.. If lots of people actually did turn up it might of been a differant story with big waiting times and lots of accidents but as it went, it was the best drift event ever. The track surface sucks, but the challenge and danger that came with it brought out the best of the drivers, and you simply had to make the best of the track.
Silverstone would be alot better if there was enough track time. 44+ entrants meant that ques were massive and you simply werent out on the track long enough to get to grips with it. This needs to be addressed still IMHO, the cars need to be driving around the circuit constantly, no stopping. Then, the UKD1 event would be alot of fun also, and its especially challenging for me but i just had alot more fun at wheels. Thats the simple fact of the matter.
Paz
Drift Bitch
19-07-2004, 20:13
I agree with Phil. It shouldnt be a competition between events, different things suit different people and at the mo drifters are lucky to even have these days set up for them as the sport is still only in it's early stages. Just enjoy them don't try and bring out negative aspects cos it ruins the fun of them
I agree with Phil. It shouldnt be a competition between events, different things suit different people and at the mo drifters are lucky to even have these days set up for them as the sport is still only in it's early stages. Just enjoy them don't try and bring out negative aspects cos it ruins the fun of them
Agreed.. what we need are MORE events... MORE fun, MORE drivers and heck I need MORE money to get my car into shape and so I can attend more events :)
Normally I would just delete this post and give you a warning, as the previous thread was closed with a very polite and valid explantion.. There are ways to ask questions without pissing off moderators, The PM button would have done fine.. But as you are particulally interested in my opinion and you have pissed me off with your attitude here you go:
Phil
Phil as a moderator I find your post a little strong worded not to mention your language. Kids read this too. Some valid points can be made out of this discussion and I think that it was wrong to cut off the first thread as you 'personally' felt it wasn't right.
I have been watching this thread with interest. I'm sure that you will find that the main issue here(i think)is promoting drifting in the UK in harmony. Lets face it the sport isn't even a sport yet. It's a bunch of guys sliding their cars around corners. Given time it WILL develop into a sport with the correct backing and organisation. Fragmentation at such an early stage in detrimental for the 'sports' development. Things could/can be learned from the event at Birmingham and perhaps put into practice at Silverstone and vice versa (not forgetting Scotland too, we can learn from there too). Who knows we might have a proper national championship should all the organisors all work together for a common goal.
Gaz.
ZXSpectrum
19-07-2004, 20:23
I didnt go to this event as i thought it was a Hoax... i am gutted to find out that it wasnt... More in the way that i didnt go rather than ot wanting to be a hoax... Errrr You know what i mean... I dont know what Birmingham wheels was like but it sounded RAW... As said the event was made better by the crowds being close to the action... I was at the D1GP In LA... and I must be honest it was a pretty small arena... Just a reasonably small oval... But none the less VERY Exciting... I think that Option have done a great job in organizing the events but... They seem to be taking it away from its roots... And thats fun... I know that its mainly down to silverstone but it used to be pretty cheap to get into.. now its race suits, helmets.. And yes i know its for saftey but... What do i know... if it progresses the drifting to new heights then i will welcome it... ;)
dorifter
19-07-2004, 21:10
I agree with Phil. It shouldnt be a competition between events, different things suit different people and at the mo drifters are lucky to even have these days set up for them as the sport is still only in it's early stages. Just enjoy them don't try and bring out negative aspects cos it ruins the fun of them
:thumbs: :thumbs: and option are UKD1 and are working hard to promote it professionally ,lets not get confused with a Drift Day/comp or a whole season at silverstone :confused: (i am)
nattcharles
19-07-2004, 22:04
Phil, I appologise for 'p***ing you off' as you say. It was not my intention and I would now like to thank you for allowing the post to go ahead. I am very interested by all the views of the other people that have replied. However I think Gazmo1 has a valid point and that the use of foul language by a moderator is unneccesary. Also I did say earlier if you wanted me to pm you my phone number so we could actually talk I would do. Or maybe at the next OPT drift event we could actually meet up and discuss the matter?
WTF, 2 drift events in one weekend, and your moaning. Which is better than the other, are you's sure. Just enjoy 'em, simple. I remember reading about people jumping up and down because this country had an established D1 series. Couple of other practice venues coming together, class.
Take each event for what it is. Sounds like the whole scene is coming together well over here so be supportive not destructive.
Glen
dorifter
19-07-2004, 22:30
cost you a tenner to speak to phil at a D1 or £75 if your going to compete (pit pass),cheaper to stick to pm :notworthy
WTF, 2 drift events in one weekend, and your moaning. Which is better than the other, are you's sure. Just enjoy 'em, simple. I remember reading about people jumping up and down because this country had an established D1 series. Couple of other practice venues coming together, class.
Take each event for what it is. Sounds like the whole scene is coming together well over here so be supportive not destructive.
Glen
:thumbs: :nod:
WTF, 2 drift events in one weekend, and your moaning. Which is better than the other, are you's sure. Just enjoy 'em, simple. I remember reading about people jumping up and down because this country had an established D1 series. Couple of other practice venues coming together, class.
Take each event for what it is. Sounds like the whole scene is coming together well over here so be supportive not destructive.
Glen
:thumbs: :thumbs:
Sounds like the whole scene is coming together well over here so be supportive not destructive.
Glen
Wasn't that what I was getting at Glen? What does the S in S14 mean anyway? LOL
Gaz.
PhilMorrison
19-07-2004, 23:05
Sorry if my posts offend you, as far as I know, not to many nuns are into drifting so I write the same way I speak. I am not what you would call a well educated man, so maybe I've been corrupted by all the 'scum' I 'hang' with, or maybe you guys should lighten up. It's funny that after over 7,800 posts, the only 2 people to ever complain about my language have 15 and 7 posts ;) ..
However I think Gazmo1 has a valid point and that the use of foul language by a moderator is unneccesary.
'Pissed off' isn't foul. 'Fu ck off you small minded wan ker' is foul.
WillG180
19-07-2004, 23:50
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
As a noob to drifting, I have found it informative, inspiring and so far "life changing" to find the drift scene. Two years ago I was into nice looking fast cars with the word "complete" at the top of my aganda. Following on from Aprils accident and the cancellation of all the bits and pieces going on the car that would have seen it 95% complete (to me) I found myself wanting more out of the car scene. It is nice having a nice car and maybe I will again one day, but for now I want to leaarn how to drive (read drift) as I never had the balls to get the Sileighty sideways with the fear of smacking it - £25ks worth of time and effort says I didnt want to do that!:eek:
So, I had been going to the last 3 or 4 D1 events plus practice, plus the NW days. I wanted in! I was gonna have a go at drifting the Sileighty but I was very nervous of wreckin it, but after seeing the fun Steve was haiving "wreckin" his I thought WTF - its a car!
So the car (S13) is now dead. Talkin to the guys at D1 (Matt, Paz, Phil, James' etc):wave: the advice i got was this: "Get an S14, get some suspension and a diff and a bit of power and there you have it!" Great guys, great advice and always helpful when I chat to em thro PM, MSN etc etc...
Well, I got the car and last week saw me on my first ever attempt at drifting, after a two year gap of going sidewaways at all....
Silverstone has improved greatly since last year. Its now so easy to pick out the cars with "diffs" - I know its now on Steves list of "bits" req'd to realistically compete...
Its gonna get expensive.
Compared to NW (which is quite like the oval in pace and size) Silverstone to me was truly scary. As a beginner I found it really daunting launching inot a bend at 70 mph + that you couldnt see the entrance too until yous almost gone past it! From a spectator point of view Silverstone I guess looks good - the facilities are there, theres a grandstand and seating etc etc.
Wheels on the otherhand was all about the atmosphere to me. The same guys Id had a beer with the afternoon before were now out there literally inches away from the 3ft high metal wall!!!:eek::eek:
No disrespect to the Opt boys, but it was sad none of them turned up - maybe they didnt want to risk it...
The boys out there were obviuosly wearing baggy loose trousers cos they had balls the size of footballs the way they hurtled round the track....
The atmosphere. Thats what made wheels for me. It probably wont be the same if it does happen again - which is sad. More drivers means more delays. These are a team and good friends and the driving had a lot of trust involved.
Im not sure it would have been the same if it were different drivers.
It was a show that to date best portrayed what we all have come to know and love about the option vids, but without the damage:wack:
IMHO Id take the Wheels day as a spectating highlight of the weekend. Maybe its cos its new, maybe its cos Ive been to D1 lots of times now. Who knows. It rocked. Totally!
Sorry if I was off topic early on. :rolleyes: Signin' off...
And Phil. Watch ya language dude:wack: :D
sammysideways
20-07-2004, 00:22
think phil was within his right to close the thread tbh.
at the mo drifting needs all the supprt and backing it can get, and there are postivies and negaties to both events, but highlighting the negatives will not do the sport any justice.
think phils bad language was stemed by him being angry and upset, which is a natural reaction.
most people have alot of respect and time for the mods on here and after seeing him drift on saturday i can see why he is the drift mod....he is the law!!
sidewaysrob
20-07-2004, 00:38
I think that it's good to here the negatives, it helps progress the sport. But it should be done in the right way. It's no good just saying negative things, you need to be thinking up suggestions for improvement. Hence why I agree with Phil closing the previous thread.
A venue v's venue thread doesn't get the result that you want. What you should do is think about starting a couple of threads. Each specific to one event, and each offering suggestions for improvements. It's been done before and Option have listened.
Every practice event I've been to have also welcomed and encouraged any suggestions for improvements.
Having a go at Phil will get you no friends though. He is a much respected member of the drifting community.
sammysideways
20-07-2004, 00:45
agree to an extent, that issues should be brought up to improve and look at etc.
dont really know if you can say there was any negatives as such in both events, willing to bet all the drivers and spectatrs came away with a smile on there face...how can that happen if event had negatives!!
i admit thereare areas that drifting scene can be improved, maybe a thread title "how can drifting improve" etc would probally be more apropriate.
tbh the two events shouldnt be even compared, wasnt at brheels but looked by far a more laid back relaxed affair.
I think like has been said before, "x versus x" is a very negative way to look at it, I'm not going to try to compare the two or anything.
What I will say, is I bloody enjoyed silverstone, 2nd place in clubman and having loads of people come over and pass on congratulations was just bloody amazing. Never thought it'd be happening.
Wheels, well that was just proper HARDCORE Jap style, no holding back full on mental drift action. ****ing fantastic.
I want to see all the events we can get, any drifting is good drifting. :nod:
I want to see all the events we can get, any drifting is good drifting. :nod:
:nod: :thumbs: It certainly is, mate, well said.
Gutted to have missed Birmingham Wheels, but couldn't sell it to the missus- all weekend at drift events. Need to get her interested :nod: :D
Why do I bother?
I have removed this post or should I say edited it because apparently I'm not allowed to have an opinion about a subject.
Gaz.
sidewaysrob
20-07-2004, 08:11
Gazmo, that post does nothing for you either. Surely that would have been better done on a PM. Rather than your 'I'm looking down at you' attitude.
You are going off topic! :whip:
Gazmo, that post does nothing for you either. Surely that would have been better done on a PM. Rather than your 'I'm looking down at you' attitude.
You are going off topic! :whip:
Rob,
I'm sorry for removing my post as it makes me look bad and makes your post look bad. I think my point was valid. Judging by the reaction of the board I think a PM would be a complete waste of my time.
I will introduce myself to Phil at the next round. He may be a tad surprised and then understand why I'm interested in a structured opinion of both events. Re-read my post was I insighting unrest?
Gaz :annoyed:
Gaz, I think it's just the way you're putting your question across. Silverstone VS Wheels is not a good way to put it, since it shouldn't be like "which is best"..!
Also I think if you have a bone to pick with a moderator it should be in PM, not just ignoring what they say and reposting.
Astonman,
It wasn't my point. I saw the thread and thought it actually had a valid point. Maybe X vs. X wasn't the best subject line that could have been chosen. However the discussion that could have ensued could have had lessons for all of us. We all want the drift scene to end up big (yes?).
I don't a problem with Phil but I don't see the need that in his position of Moderator that he should use foul language to somebody who he doesn't know. Fair enough if these guys are friends then I'm sorry for standing on your toes. But surely if more members want to join SXOC and see this kind of treatment by moderator they will think twice about joining?
Or am I just being too politically correct for my own good?
Gaz.
PulsatingStar
20-07-2004, 09:04
The thread was closed politely, Phil only got pissed off once a similar thing was posted again after closing the last thread with an explanation.
I am moderator on a couple of forums, and when you close someones thread for whatever reason then they do it again or come back at you it does piss you off.
As for bad language, I dont think saying your pissed off is particularly foul. this whole thread seems a bit pointless to me at the moment and I hope it gets closed too :p
Lee
sammysideways
20-07-2004, 09:17
i havent even met phill yet (although one day hopefully the bribe of buying him some pints down the pub, he may take me for a passenger ride!lol) but like all the moderators on this forum i know the amount of hard work they put in and the experience they have and that deserves some respect for them.
if he closed the thread then it was for a good reason and just re-posting was a bad move and shows utter dis-respect tbh!
like astonman said all drifting is good drifting!
SteveCarter200
20-07-2004, 09:18
I will introduce myself to Phil at the next round. He may be a tad surprised and then understand why I'm interested in a structured opinion of both events.
Gaz :annoyed:
So who are you then?
And yes, you are being overly PC.
kirkster
20-07-2004, 09:31
So who are you then?
Sounds like another Mycroft / Speedypete kinda person to me...
Just trying to stir things up.
I'm totally gutted I didn't make either event :(
All I can say is :thumbs: to all our members that took part and did our club proud at both events :)
Hope to see you all at one soon :)
Erm, no.
Phil,
Can you pm me your number so I may discuss this matter with you.
Best,
Gary.
i think we should all just feel the love :smitten: :wack:
i had such a good weekend at both of the events and they both made it ace. as said before, there were 2 in one weekend so i dont have anything to complain about (apart from having food thrown at me :D ), especially since i was lucky enough to be in brum on Sunday. i think all the guys were on a total high after the weekend and this is kinda bringing them down. cant we just enjoy it for what it was, look forward to more drifting in any shape or form and stop whinging?
after a weekend like that everyone should be on cloud 9: the drivers, those lucky to have spectated and anyone with a general interest in drifting. this weekend really showed that drifting is on it's way up. lets not try pull it back down again.
2p
:)
nattcharles
20-07-2004, 10:32
cost you a tenner to speak to phil at a D1 or £75 if your going to compete (pit pass),cheaper to stick to pm :notworthy
It doesn't cost me anything for my passes to Silverstone and I can pretty much get as many as I like.
i have to say i'm sure everyone is loving your attitude :rolleyes:
happy happy joy joy people :wack:
Drifty drifty seveny rive dorrah
lighten up....
At the end of it all, I had a great weekend. One to remember. I broke my D1 cherry, didnt crash:wack: and saw a good event at Silverstone. THen went to Si Thorpes (Yeager) and had a pleasant evening with a few beers ;) Then went to Brum on Sunday for another great day. Top Stuff :)
dorifter
20-07-2004, 10:42
It doesn't cost me anything for my passes to Silverstone and I can pretty much get as many as I like.
r u the lovechild of bernie ecclestone :notworthy :notworthy
he's the pit sweeper :wack:
It doesn't cost me anything for my passes to Silverstone and I can pretty much get as many as I like.
Same as my brother so i'm gathering some kind of newpaper (Media Type) etc etc
I know who it is. I had my suspicions and he has just confirmed in PM.:)
Hi Gary :wave:
Nice chap if you ever meet him.
PS - hows the Primera;)
nattcharles
20-07-2004, 10:48
i have to say i'm sure everyone is loving your attitude :rolleyes:
So because I have an oppinion it means I have an attitude........ok then.
If you go back and read my posts all I did was ask a simple question. Where's the attitude in that? Fair enough I complained about Phil's bad languange but does that also mean I have an attitude?
I know who it is. I had my suspicions and he has just confirmed in PM.:)
Hi Gary :wave:
Nice chap if you ever meet him.
PS - hows the Primera;)
Hi Matt,
It's nice to know that somebody here can vouch for me! :)
The Primera died a nasty death about two weeks ago. I have a rather large off when a Cabstar decided he was going to turn in the road. Blind corner, 50MPH! Ouch. It takes something to crack your windscreen and crack your strut brace in half that I can tell you.
Gaz.
So because I have an oppinion it means I have an attitude........ok then.
If you go back and read my posts all I did was ask a simple question. Where's the attitude in that? Fair enough I complained about Phil's bad languange but does that also mean I have an attitude?
you know what, it's the msn syndrome. you can never tell how people are meaning things and they end up coming across much worse. people take things how they want to. i'll stay out of it. i dont come on here to argue i can do that in the real world :wack:
no offence like.
nattcharles
20-07-2004, 10:59
you know what, it's the msn syndrome. you can never tell how people are meaning things and they end up coming across much worse. people take things how they want to. i'll stay out of it. i dont come on here to argue i can do that in the real world :wack:
no offence like.
Think you hit the nail on the head there.
Wasn't that what I was getting at Glen? What does the S in S14 mean anyway? LOL
Gaz.
Hi Gaz.
Weren't pointing any fingers mate just agreeing with the supportive nature of people here and hoping to in a little kinda way get a bit of a perspective across before it all goes somewhat pete tong.
I have absolutely no idea what the S in S14 stands for as much as I do the LBNTZ in the model designation for my Miele Washing machine that I own :D . This is a trick question isn't it :thumbs: or as usual has it gone straight over my head :wack: :D .
Glen
Drift Bitch
20-07-2004, 12:09
i had such a good weekend at both of the events and they both made it ace. as said before, there were 2 in one weekend so i dont have anything to complain about (apart from having food thrown at me :D ), :)
Hahaha egg in your face :wave:
Actually dude it wasn't egg :wack: and it was thrown at you :P you were standing in the line of fire and i let you do the b****cking anyway! :wack: ahaha. let's just let people run amok next time.lol.
call me. im bored. :wave:
Think you hit the nail on the head there.
Another bedfordian :D :wave:
sammysideways
20-07-2004, 22:37
;) damm...i was actually aiming for xcite!!!lolol :thumbs:
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