Radar detectors to be outlawed........?!?!?

[Ripper]

Someone in the office reckons they heard this on the radio this morning :eek:

So, the judgement in 1997 that made them legal citing something like "it warns drivers of accident blackspots and, as cameras are only at accident blackspots, detectors are safety aids" is no longer relevant?

Is someone seriously suggesting that cameras are not there solely for safety reasons? :eek:

PS When this was mentioned at work three people made reference to "never helping the Police again" etc.

They won't be satisfied until they've alienated EVERYBODY..... :no:

[JB]

They won't be satisfied until they've alienated EVERYBODY..... :no:
I thought they already had :indiff:

[Pauly_Boy]

Argh!

This govenment pisses me off, instead of clamping down on speeding, why don't they do something about all the health tourists using NHS, oh no, theres no profit to be made and it would actually invlove common sence and effort!

[mattpayne]

just rebrand them as revinue detectors... :)

then if the police do outlaw them, everyone (even the stupid people) will be under no illusion as to what the sinister motives behind speed cameras are :)

[Dave_S]

just rebrand them as revinue detectors... :)

then if the police do outlaw them, everyone (even the stupid people) will be under no illusion as to what the sinister motives behind speed cameras are :)

Now THAT is a good idea :D

Dave

[Kenji]

Here in Holland, since January this year, radardetectors are illegal. The police even have radardetector-detectors. If you're caught with one in your car (even when it's not connected) you get a €138 fine, and the gadget is confiscated.

I'm beginning to suspect that speed camera's are, indeed, not there for safety reasons alone ;)

[JackaL]

I always stop under camera's now (as well as speed humps)... One day there'll be an off-duty copper or a politician behind me, and they'll either get mightily peed off with the camera, or run into the back of me - thus proving that camera's DO cause accidents, AND giving me a mighty whiplash payout as way of a bonus :thumbs:

EDIT: It's surely not against the law to slow down to a standstill, thus making sure you are 100% safe - if camera's are there for safety... ;)

When the death rates start to rise furhter they'll have to admit that camera's have failed.... Just like they have to admit they lied to us over the war, and just about everything else :rolleyes:

[Diddn]

I was watching 5th gear the other night and they did a test of camera detectors (might have been an old episode).
But on the program, a copper was ask how legal they are and his response was "they are completely legal as they are purely information providing devices".

[Bart]

I was watching 5th gear the other night and they did a test of camera detectors (might have been an old episode).
But on the program, a copper was ask how legal they are and his response was "they are completely legal as they are purely information providing devices".
and as he said in the end...the jammers are illegal...oopppps :wack: :thumbs:

[JackaL]

I think the original Police argument for their illegality was that a radar detector is a device which enables you to recieve Poilce radio transmissions... The Judge ruled that it did not constitute a radio reciever, just a detector - thus didn't break the law - the law it was supposed to break was related to radio traffic I believe.

So, unless the Plod are using radar morse code to communicate (in which case you could theoretically recieve a Police transmission with a detector), there's no way they can be banned theoretically...

A ban would also really undermine the case for the use of speed camera's, and especially camera vans. I think it's the fact that their vans can be detected that really pees off the camera partnerships... ;) Because, obviously, they're there to slow people down and porevent speeding, not to hide in bushes and catch people who are speeding.

[Ripper]

When the death rates start to rise furhter they'll have to admit that camera's have failed.... Just like they have to admit they lied to us over the war, and just about everything else :rolleyes:

:nod: :nod: and :nod:

Jackal speaks the truth :clap:

Question: In the Avon and Somerset area (which is INFESTED with mutant vans racking up the money) they claimed last week that they 'saved' 22 lives last year...

1) How the F*CK do they know? It's like saying that, because I ate a Yoghurt yesterday afternoon, that's why it didn't snow today!

2) I notice that, when the figures have risen, it is of no relevance at all :no:

Absolute HORSESHIT!

[Diddn]

Hmm, looks like it could be true!! :(

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040716/344/ey55n.html

[voodoo_melon]

just rebrand them as revinue detectors... :)
Mine's an automatic door and traffic light detector :D Just unfortunate that there aren't any traffic lights or automatic doors most places I use it :o

[JackaL]

"The Department for Transport said it would seek to ban the dashboard devices as soon as possible because of fears motorists were using them to break speed limits without being caught. "

Not to protect themselves from over-zealous fanatics... err... safety camera partnerships? To protect their licenses and jobs? To make themselves more aware of road hazards? To reduce the time spent staring at the speedo, and increase the time looking at the road?

Why not ban cars, and eyes, because people might use them to speed without getting caught!!! :rolleyes:


"Speed camera detectors should not be needed by law-abiding drivers."

So? Law abiding citizens don't need 6" hunting knives, samurai swords, crowbars and boltcutters either... they ain't illegal!!!

[JackaL]

"Transport minister David Jamieson yesterday said ... He also ruled out random breath-testing and said there were no plans to lower the legal drink-drive limit. "

Ah! So, drink drivers don't break the law at all then???

Why not ban alcohol, because people might use it to drink drive without getting caught! :rolleyes:

[mattpayne]

Jackal... ive another scenario for your...

I was driving along today, and approaced one of my usual speed camers... (near a school, but pointing AWAY from it... into the distance not pointing at the school to protect the kids... :rolleyes:) anyways, i used my SPEED SENSOR DETECTOR to make sure i pass under the thing at a sensible speed...


my speedo could be used to avoid getting COUGHT shouild it be made illegal??

Discuss

[Vez]

They will allow you to KEEP GPS detiectors "we publish the locations of all speed cameras so we have no problem with GPS systems"

Its the laser detectors they want to get rid of, and they are useless anyway, as if they go off, you have been cought!

[Matty T]

Didnt see how they could ban GPS detectors, and thats true about the laser detectors.

Pretty sure they dont publish the location of every camera either, unless why would GPS detectors have a store button for new cameras if they were already accessible on the database

[Vez]

Err, they do, and its the planning poeple that get those £50 rewards from the companies, put it this way, my road angle was telling me a camera was there before it was even installed, about 2 months in advance :eek:

[Dave_S]

Pretty sure they dont publish the location of every camera either, unless why would GPS detectors have a store button for new cameras if they were already accessible on the database

Other countries?

Dave

[Infinity]

I think the original Police argument for their illegality was that a radar detector is a device which enables you to recieve Poilce radio transmissions... The Judge ruled that it did not constitute a radio reciever, just a detector - thus didn't break the law - the law it was supposed to break was related to radio traffic I believe.
I'm in trouble then, cos my cheapo £9.99 shower radio picks up the local Police band every now and then :confussed: Perhaps it should be made illega in case it helps me speed... I'm sure they would find a way :nod:

Jut

[Rob-S13]

I think the original Police argument for their illegality was that a radar detector is a device which enables you to recieve Poilce radio transmissions... The Judge ruled that it did not constitute a radio reciever, just a detector - thus didn't break the law - the law it was supposed to break was related to radio traffic I believe.

So, unless the Plod are using radar morse code to communicate (in which case you could theoretically recieve a Police transmission with a detector), there's no way they can be banned theoretically...

A ban would also really undermine the case for the use of speed camera's, and especially camera vans. I think it's the fact that their vans can be detected that really pees off the camera partnerships... ;) Because, obviously, they're there to slow people down and porevent speeding, not to hide in bushes and catch people who are speeding.


But Is their a law about pick up radar signals?

(i don't know the answer)

Coz it like saying if the poilce use a mega phone to communicate and you "overhear" it
your breaking the law

is radar a public frequency ( :wack: probley wrong word)? :confused:

[JackaL]

Jackal... ive another scenario for your...

I was driving along today, and approaced one of my usual speed camers... (near a school, but pointing AWAY from it... into the distance not pointing at the school to protect the kids... :rolleyes:) anyways, i used my SPEED SENSOR DETECTOR to make sure i pass under the thing at a sensible speed...


my speedo could be used to avoid getting COUGHT shouild it be made illegal??

Discuss

Good point :nod:

Better ban speedo's - they are obviously only there so drivers can avoid getting caught speeding. :rolleyes:

That is the same argument as that twhat the transport secretary is using. I bet he's been having some comfy pillow talk with that Brunstrom fellow. Why is a secretary in charge of transport anyway, why not get a proper manager in there? :rolleyes:

[golders]

Taken from www.pistonheads.com

CAMERA DETECTORS TO BE BANNED? Friday 16th July

Government increasingly keen on outlawing speed trap warning devices

Officials at the Department for Transport have reiterated their desire to outlaw speed camera detection devices. They are looking into banning detectors believing that drivers are using them to flout speed limits rather than to adhere to them.

The Government's policy flies in the face of some research which suggests that drivers using the devices in fact have fewer accidents than those that don't.

Outlawing the devices would bring the UK in line with France and Ireland who are amongst the countries that don't permit the devices to be used.

With cameras only being placed at accident black spots (no, really they are) some drivers will no doubt take exception to having their warning systems outlawed.

Drafting legislation could also prove difficult. Whilst laser and radar detectors may be easy to outlaw the GPS style of device could prove a minefield. Proving that a device is warning of a speed trap rather than an accident blackspot or 'place of interest' might render new laws fairly worthless.

[JackaL]

Taken from www.pistonheads.com
...Proving that a device is warning of a speed trap rather than an accident blackspot or 'place of interest' might render new laws fairly worthless.


Laws? Worthless??? Never!!! ;)